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On May 21 2013 02:33 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +Magic isn't a particularly skilled game. Most of the skill in Magic is in deck-building or drafting. There isn't a ton to know about the actual mechanics (except putting things in the right place on the stack, performing actions on opponents turns, etc).
I've been playing for a month and I've beaten players that are judges and have been playing for decades just by using OP decks. So don't worry about losing to a Boros Blitz deck- there isn't actually any "skill" in winning with it. If you want skill, go draft- lots of mindgames. Is this relative to the playing difficulty of other TCGs? Because depending on the archetypes and matchups, MTG games seem, to me, like they can get rather intense. To me, the harder a game is to "play perfectly", the more skilled it is, but I have little experience with other TCGs.
At the highest level, magic is way more skill intense than other TCGs and in my opinion, even more than others card games.
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On May 21 2013 02:38 EasyPush wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 01:20 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 00:13 MaestroSC wrote:
My problem with MTG currently:
Boros Blitz decks.
Its not that I cant beat one, but if they get a lucky draw/starting hand it seems like its not possible to beat.
I dont like the deck especially because i feel like it requires the least skill/thought to play, but its a serious threat just because of how/why its built this way.
Like if u start a game with 2 Burning Tree Emissaries (:or ffs 3 like my opponent last night) in ur hand, along with 2 mana and 2 other 1 mana creatures like Legion Loyalist..... ur dead by turn 3?
What skill does it take to draw the right cards at the right time?
IDK i im new to magic, but i feel like if my friend was brand new to magic and was going to play a tournament, I could hand him this deck and hed prob have a pretty good shot at winning most of his matches....
idk its just..this is all u see on MTGO lol so what hardcounters this? Ive beat it everytime i played a Bo3 vs it, but everytime he would just draw the nuts at least 1 game in which case its over by round 3.
what should u do vs this?
Magic isn't a particularly skilled game. Most of the skill in Magic is in deck-building or drafting. There isn't a ton to know about the actual mechanics (except putting things in the right place on the stack, performing actions on opponents turns, etc). I've been playing for a month and I've beaten players that are judges and have been playing for decades just by using OP decks. So don't worry about losing to a Boros Blitz deck- there isn't actually any "skill" in winning with it. If you want skill, go draft- lots of mindgames. People like you are the reason i could make a living playing poker.
CS 1.6 is a skilled game. Starcraft is a skilled game. MTG has waaaaaay too much RNG to be actually competitive.
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On May 21 2013 02:41 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 02:38 EasyPush wrote:On May 21 2013 01:20 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 00:13 MaestroSC wrote:
My problem with MTG currently:
Boros Blitz decks.
Its not that I cant beat one, but if they get a lucky draw/starting hand it seems like its not possible to beat.
I dont like the deck especially because i feel like it requires the least skill/thought to play, but its a serious threat just because of how/why its built this way.
Like if u start a game with 2 Burning Tree Emissaries (:or ffs 3 like my opponent last night) in ur hand, along with 2 mana and 2 other 1 mana creatures like Legion Loyalist..... ur dead by turn 3?
What skill does it take to draw the right cards at the right time?
IDK i im new to magic, but i feel like if my friend was brand new to magic and was going to play a tournament, I could hand him this deck and hed prob have a pretty good shot at winning most of his matches....
idk its just..this is all u see on MTGO lol so what hardcounters this? Ive beat it everytime i played a Bo3 vs it, but everytime he would just draw the nuts at least 1 game in which case its over by round 3.
what should u do vs this?
Magic isn't a particularly skilled game. Most of the skill in Magic is in deck-building or drafting. There isn't a ton to know about the actual mechanics (except putting things in the right place on the stack, performing actions on opponents turns, etc). I've been playing for a month and I've beaten players that are judges and have been playing for decades just by using OP decks. So don't worry about losing to a Boros Blitz deck- there isn't actually any "skill" in winning with it. If you want skill, go draft- lots of mindgames. People like you are the reason i could make a living playing poker. CS 1.6 is a skilled game. Starcraft is a skilled game. MTG has waaaaaay too much RNG to be actually competitive.
MTG just has higher Variance than some other games. This doesn't affect competitiveness in the slightest unless you only look at small sample sets. 3 games don't mean too much in Magic, 100 games do.
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On May 21 2013 02:41 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 02:38 EasyPush wrote:On May 21 2013 01:20 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 00:13 MaestroSC wrote:
My problem with MTG currently:
Boros Blitz decks.
Its not that I cant beat one, but if they get a lucky draw/starting hand it seems like its not possible to beat.
I dont like the deck especially because i feel like it requires the least skill/thought to play, but its a serious threat just because of how/why its built this way.
Like if u start a game with 2 Burning Tree Emissaries (:or ffs 3 like my opponent last night) in ur hand, along with 2 mana and 2 other 1 mana creatures like Legion Loyalist..... ur dead by turn 3?
What skill does it take to draw the right cards at the right time?
IDK i im new to magic, but i feel like if my friend was brand new to magic and was going to play a tournament, I could hand him this deck and hed prob have a pretty good shot at winning most of his matches....
idk its just..this is all u see on MTGO lol so what hardcounters this? Ive beat it everytime i played a Bo3 vs it, but everytime he would just draw the nuts at least 1 game in which case its over by round 3.
what should u do vs this?
Magic isn't a particularly skilled game. Most of the skill in Magic is in deck-building or drafting. There isn't a ton to know about the actual mechanics (except putting things in the right place on the stack, performing actions on opponents turns, etc). I've been playing for a month and I've beaten players that are judges and have been playing for decades just by using OP decks. So don't worry about losing to a Boros Blitz deck- there isn't actually any "skill" in winning with it. If you want skill, go draft- lots of mindgames. People like you are the reason i could make a living playing poker. CS 1.6 is a skilled game. Starcraft is a skilled game. MTG has waaaaaay too much RNG to be actually competitive.
That's why players have winning records right? Different skills doesn't mean unskilled. There are lines of play. Beating judges doesn't mean anything, it's like you saying that you beat liquidpedia editors in Starcraft 2. Understanding doesn't mean skill.
And what you said about RNG was what was thought of for poker.
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On May 21 2013 03:00 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 02:41 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 02:38 EasyPush wrote:On May 21 2013 01:20 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 00:13 MaestroSC wrote:
My problem with MTG currently:
Boros Blitz decks.
Its not that I cant beat one, but if they get a lucky draw/starting hand it seems like its not possible to beat.
I dont like the deck especially because i feel like it requires the least skill/thought to play, but its a serious threat just because of how/why its built this way.
Like if u start a game with 2 Burning Tree Emissaries (:or ffs 3 like my opponent last night) in ur hand, along with 2 mana and 2 other 1 mana creatures like Legion Loyalist..... ur dead by turn 3?
What skill does it take to draw the right cards at the right time?
IDK i im new to magic, but i feel like if my friend was brand new to magic and was going to play a tournament, I could hand him this deck and hed prob have a pretty good shot at winning most of his matches....
idk its just..this is all u see on MTGO lol so what hardcounters this? Ive beat it everytime i played a Bo3 vs it, but everytime he would just draw the nuts at least 1 game in which case its over by round 3.
what should u do vs this?
Magic isn't a particularly skilled game. Most of the skill in Magic is in deck-building or drafting. There isn't a ton to know about the actual mechanics (except putting things in the right place on the stack, performing actions on opponents turns, etc). I've been playing for a month and I've beaten players that are judges and have been playing for decades just by using OP decks. So don't worry about losing to a Boros Blitz deck- there isn't actually any "skill" in winning with it. If you want skill, go draft- lots of mindgames. People like you are the reason i could make a living playing poker. CS 1.6 is a skilled game. Starcraft is a skilled game. MTG has waaaaaay too much RNG to be actually competitive. That's why players have winning records right? Different skills doesn't mean unskilled. There are lines of play. Beating judges doesn't mean anything, it's like you saying that you beat liquidpedia editors in Starcraft 2. Understanding doesn't mean skill. And what you said about RNG was what was thought of for poker.
If you could mulligan all freaking day in MTG until you got the perfect hand, THEN it'd be like poker. Pro poker players fold *constantly* and only play pocket hands that are winnable. You can't do that in MTG. It is completely possible to get manascrewed, or manaflooded, or just get the wrong cards and lost to someone 1/50th of your skill level. That blows.
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On May 21 2013 03:11 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 03:00 Judicator wrote:On May 21 2013 02:41 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 02:38 EasyPush wrote:On May 21 2013 01:20 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 00:13 MaestroSC wrote:
My problem with MTG currently:
Boros Blitz decks.
Its not that I cant beat one, but if they get a lucky draw/starting hand it seems like its not possible to beat.
I dont like the deck especially because i feel like it requires the least skill/thought to play, but its a serious threat just because of how/why its built this way.
Like if u start a game with 2 Burning Tree Emissaries (:or ffs 3 like my opponent last night) in ur hand, along with 2 mana and 2 other 1 mana creatures like Legion Loyalist..... ur dead by turn 3?
What skill does it take to draw the right cards at the right time?
IDK i im new to magic, but i feel like if my friend was brand new to magic and was going to play a tournament, I could hand him this deck and hed prob have a pretty good shot at winning most of his matches....
idk its just..this is all u see on MTGO lol so what hardcounters this? Ive beat it everytime i played a Bo3 vs it, but everytime he would just draw the nuts at least 1 game in which case its over by round 3.
what should u do vs this?
Magic isn't a particularly skilled game. Most of the skill in Magic is in deck-building or drafting. There isn't a ton to know about the actual mechanics (except putting things in the right place on the stack, performing actions on opponents turns, etc). I've been playing for a month and I've beaten players that are judges and have been playing for decades just by using OP decks. So don't worry about losing to a Boros Blitz deck- there isn't actually any "skill" in winning with it. If you want skill, go draft- lots of mindgames. People like you are the reason i could make a living playing poker. CS 1.6 is a skilled game. Starcraft is a skilled game. MTG has waaaaaay too much RNG to be actually competitive. That's why players have winning records right? Different skills doesn't mean unskilled. There are lines of play. Beating judges doesn't mean anything, it's like you saying that you beat liquidpedia editors in Starcraft 2. Understanding doesn't mean skill. And what you said about RNG was what was thought of for poker. If you could mulligan all freaking day in MTG until you got the perfect hand, THEN it'd be like poker. Pro poker players fold *constantly* and only play pocket hands that are winnable. You can't do that in MTG. It is completely possible to get manascrewed, or manaflooded, or just get the wrong cards and lost to someone 1/50th of your skill level. That blows.
That is just a possibility, and a small one. Long term analysis show that higher skilled players tend to win more.
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That is just a possibility, and a small one. Long term analysis show that higher skilled players tend to win more.
Does such analysis control for deck choice though? Because we are talking specifically about play skill right now, right? So, not including drafting or deckbuilding skills, which are definitely a large part of MTG skill overall.
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So Jon, Kai, Nassif are the luckiest people in the world? Why do some spend their lives as PTQ grinders while others have double digits PT top8s? Playing in a way that minimizes the risk or the impact of the randomness and gives you the best chance to capitalize on it is a skill in itself.
Your opponent's board is full of creatures and you're at a low life total. You have char in hand and your opponent is at 7. Do you eot char one of their creatures and maybe give yourself a chance to stabilize, or do you go to the face knowing that lightning helix is still in your deck but puttting DoB on the swing back? When you go to the face, untap and slam the lightning helix from the top of your deck, was that completely random, you lucksacked and stole the win, or was that yourself consciously choosing a risky line that maximized your chances of winning based on what you knew was left in your deck?
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On May 21 2013 02:38 Gleen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 02:33 Warlock40 wrote:Magic isn't a particularly skilled game. Most of the skill in Magic is in deck-building or drafting. There isn't a ton to know about the actual mechanics (except putting things in the right place on the stack, performing actions on opponents turns, etc).
I've been playing for a month and I've beaten players that are judges and have been playing for decades just by using OP decks. So don't worry about losing to a Boros Blitz deck- there isn't actually any "skill" in winning with it. If you want skill, go draft- lots of mindgames. Is this relative to the playing difficulty of other TCGs? Because depending on the archetypes and matchups, MTG games seem, to me, like they can get rather intense. To me, the harder a game is to "play perfectly", the more skilled it is, but I have little experience with other TCGs. At the highest level, magic is way more skill intense than other TCGs and in my opinion, even more than others card games.
I certainly disagree with that. There are many TCGs which are more skill-rewarding than Magic, but I'd rather not drag this thread any further off-topic than it currently is.
Anyway, comparing skill across types of games is pretty ridiculous, since the skill comes from different places, and skill and luck are not mutually exclusive. Magic has a high amount of skill and a high amount of luck. It's almost impossible to play a game perfectly, even one game, let alone an entire match or an entire tournament. It's very possible that nobody has ever played an entire tournament perfectly. However, there is also a lot of luck. Sometimes you play like an idiot and it simply doesn't matter, and sometimes you only make one mistake in the entire tournament, but that one mistake costs you a top 8 berth.
Because of this level of variance, individual Magic tournaments (much like poker tournaments) are far too short to indicate much regarding the skill level of the players. Winning a Magic tournament, even a Pro Tour, means relatively little. There have even been PotY winners who I would consider quite weak players, while geniuses of the game frequently fall off the train. In truth, preparation (having a good team, having a good deck) is by far more important for results than skill OR luck, but I would say luck is somewhat more important than skill at every level as long as your level of play is above average. Only over years and years of results does it become apparent who the best players are.
(For reference, I think luck plays a much bigger role in poker, but it's much easier to put in enough hours to iron out the variance in that game.)
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Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic?
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On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic?
If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper.
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Or if you have money to spend and likes to draft... but imo its more fun to draft irl than on mol.
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On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic?
dont know how its different from playing with friends except that on Magic Online u will generally find more competition and stronger decks?
i mean if u play with ur friends, if u have a friend willing to buy a 500$ deck he is going to beat your $5 deck, its no different online, but generally people online seem to have better decks as cards are a bit cheaper than buying them in a store?
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On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper.
I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it?
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On May 21 2013 03:11 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 03:00 Judicator wrote:On May 21 2013 02:41 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 02:38 EasyPush wrote:On May 21 2013 01:20 Crownlol wrote:On May 21 2013 00:13 MaestroSC wrote:
My problem with MTG currently:
Boros Blitz decks.
Its not that I cant beat one, but if they get a lucky draw/starting hand it seems like its not possible to beat.
I dont like the deck especially because i feel like it requires the least skill/thought to play, but its a serious threat just because of how/why its built this way.
Like if u start a game with 2 Burning Tree Emissaries (:or ffs 3 like my opponent last night) in ur hand, along with 2 mana and 2 other 1 mana creatures like Legion Loyalist..... ur dead by turn 3?
What skill does it take to draw the right cards at the right time?
IDK i im new to magic, but i feel like if my friend was brand new to magic and was going to play a tournament, I could hand him this deck and hed prob have a pretty good shot at winning most of his matches....
idk its just..this is all u see on MTGO lol so what hardcounters this? Ive beat it everytime i played a Bo3 vs it, but everytime he would just draw the nuts at least 1 game in which case its over by round 3.
what should u do vs this?
Magic isn't a particularly skilled game. Most of the skill in Magic is in deck-building or drafting. There isn't a ton to know about the actual mechanics (except putting things in the right place on the stack, performing actions on opponents turns, etc). I've been playing for a month and I've beaten players that are judges and have been playing for decades just by using OP decks. So don't worry about losing to a Boros Blitz deck- there isn't actually any "skill" in winning with it. If you want skill, go draft- lots of mindgames. People like you are the reason i could make a living playing poker. CS 1.6 is a skilled game. Starcraft is a skilled game. MTG has waaaaaay too much RNG to be actually competitive. That's why players have winning records right? Different skills doesn't mean unskilled. There are lines of play. Beating judges doesn't mean anything, it's like you saying that you beat liquidpedia editors in Starcraft 2. Understanding doesn't mean skill. And what you said about RNG was what was thought of for poker. If you could mulligan all freaking day in MTG until you got the perfect hand, THEN it'd be like poker. Pro poker players fold *constantly* and only play pocket hands that are winnable. You can't do that in MTG. It is completely possible to get manascrewed, or manaflooded, or just get the wrong cards and lost to someone 1/50th of your skill level. That blows.
Wow, you REALLY are the reason i could make a living playing poker.
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On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it?
You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it.
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On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it.
Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain.
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On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain.
Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely.
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On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain.
Sure  I'm just saying it's possible, not that it's easy :p
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Also play release events(not pre-release events). Release events are very good EV.
Those of you saying that Magic does not have a skill gap and think the following; "Magic isn't a particularly skilled game", then feel free to go win some PTs they are worth 40,000$. .
Idk where this is coming from in this thread, as well as the Day9 thread. 0.o
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