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TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
June 02 2012 20:06 GMT
#3481
Me and a friend of mine couldn't agree if Scroll of Avacyn (Artifact, costs 1, pay one and sac it to draw a card and if you control an angel gain 5 life) was worth playing in the deck I drafted last night. I had 5 angles, and a kind of top heavy mana curve. It just seemed to make sense to me to play a couple of them (drafted 3, played 2) to get through my deck to my big creatures faster. I liked how it played out, what is all of your opinions on it? Also, somehow I got 2 Defy Deaths in my Angel deck, both like 5th or 6th pick in a pack. I was pretty pleased with my deck overall.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 23:14:55
June 02 2012 23:10 GMT
#3482
On June 03 2012 05:06 TestSubject893 wrote:
Me and a friend of mine couldn't agree if Scroll of Avacyn (Artifact, costs 1, pay one and sac it to draw a card and if you control an angel gain 5 life) was worth playing in the deck I drafted last night. I had 5 angles, and a kind of top heavy mana curve. It just seemed to make sense to me to play a couple of them (drafted 3, played 2) to get through my deck to my big creatures faster. I liked how it played out, what is all of your opinions on it? Also, somehow I got 2 Defy Deaths in my Angel deck, both like 5th or 6th pick in a pack. I was pretty pleased with my deck overall.


No. I wouldn't touch the Defy Deaths either. I wouldn't consider either cards unless I had at least 3 of the good angels at uncommon/common (Emancipation and Seraph).

@Paranoid, others have said it well, and I didn't mention color signals and reading them on purpose since it's something a new player really shouldn't be worrying about. Now you probably figured it out. The Forcemage last pick is a clear indication that the person passing to you pack 1 was NOT in Green so you can safely expect a good number of Green cards pack 3.

I don't switch too often outside of specific cards come around that have no business coming around, Forcemage in this format like others have pointed out is one of them. So yes, you didn't have to switch right there and then in pack 2, but you have to give Green a long hard look with the expectation that Green was going to remain open in pack 3. Outside of knowing your specific card picks and order, that's the best we can really offer you.

Also, getting cut pack 2 unless Green wasn't deep isn't a big deal. If you are playing green you can comfortably play 3 colors in this format provided you get certain cards.

I went 3-1 at my draft, went to draft Homicidal Seclusion deck, didn't see a homicidal seclusion. FML.

Edit:

Paranoid, you sound like you play at some douchey store that splits the new players and experienced players apart. We table talk the new players if they have problems or weren't sure if their cards are worth anything so they don't feel stupid or regret it. FMN is about fun not competition and drafting for the first time can be quite intimidating for new players.
Get it by your hands...
ParanoiaDHerO
Profile Joined July 2009
United States183 Posts
June 02 2012 23:32 GMT
#3483
I would say most of them were really friendly, they said they only split us for the draft itself so that the more experienced players couldn't gobble up all the great cards or deny us on purpose, I felt like that was okay? But yeah I really think I learned a lot about drafting and seeing the decks I played against, of course my two wins were versus two new players, and my two losses were against the experienced players. I will definitely pay more attention to things like that in the future, this was really a reflection thought, I was way too obsessed with kruin strikers/ring leader/thraven valients for fast drops to put on fast aggression, which really worked when I didn't get mana screwed but thanks for the reply.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 03 2012 00:09 GMT
#3484
The only thing I can say is that you need to evaluate the cards and decks you played against in a fair light. Don't develop biases because certain cards have been used to great effect against you and likewise don't be biased against certain cards because they did very little for you.
Get it by your hands...
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
June 03 2012 00:49 GMT
#3485
On June 03 2012 09:09 Judicator wrote:
The only thing I can say is that you need to evaluate the cards and decks you played against in a fair light. Don't develop biases because certain cards have been used to great effect against you and likewise don't be biased against certain cards because they did very little for you.


Ya that's a pretty common trap for new players. A new player asked me to look at his draft deck a couple months ago and when I told him to cut Spiteful Shadows he was adamant about keeping it in because it had just won him his last game. Sometimes terrible cards are good and you just don't realize that almost any other card in the set would have also won you the game.
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
June 03 2012 01:40 GMT
#3486
So sad.

My friend was able to draft 5 mist ravens.

T.T

@DEN1ED -> It may has just sheer luck. A lot of terrible cards can win a game; just that they would need the perfect scenario in which they would shine.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-03 02:39:51
June 03 2012 02:29 GMT
#3487
I had an 11 year old break a stalemate with Spirit Away. He tried that again when I had a Bloodflow Connoisseur on the field. Judging from the look on his face, the judge presumably told him they cancelled their trip to Disneyland (His deck was fairly solid apart from that, and he did pretty well.)

Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 03 2012 05:05 GMT
#3488
On June 03 2012 10:40 wunsun wrote:
So sad.

My friend was able to draft 5 mist ravens.

T.T

@DEN1ED -> It may has just sheer luck. A lot of terrible cards can win a game; just that they would need the perfect scenario in which they would shine.


Sure, Trepidation Blade can flip for +13 cards, that doesn't mean it's a good card. I have blown a few players out with Hysterical Blindness (cracking back for lethal) but it doesn't mean I want to put it in. You can be creative, but it doesn't mean you should push your luck.
Get it by your hands...
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
June 03 2012 05:48 GMT
#3489
Do people play this on Xbox live or Steam?
Save me from myself
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 03 2012 05:53 GMT
#3490
On June 03 2012 14:48 brokenLoL wrote:
Do people play this on Xbox live or Steam?


In real life and on Magic: Online, you're thinking of the Duels of the Planeswalker games which I don't think any of us plays.
Get it by your hands...
bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
June 03 2012 20:48 GMT
#3491
Well I had someone play a defy death on a seraph of dawn vs me. Quite the blowout. By quite the blowout I mean I sac'd my crypt creeper and continued to beat his face.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-03 20:59:23
June 03 2012 20:49 GMT
#3492
What is it with bears punching down trees in the MtG universe?

On a related note, FUCK Tracker in Limited. Seriously, that card just cockblocks every combat trick AND functions as removal.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
June 03 2012 20:53 GMT
#3493
On June 04 2012 05:49 ManyCookies wrote:
What is it with bears punching down trees in the MtG universe?


Magic bears hate trees. Except Bear Cub. That fucker is cute as shit.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-03 23:00:47
June 03 2012 23:00 GMT
#3494
On June 04 2012 05:53 DivinO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 05:49 ManyCookies wrote:
What is it with bears punching down trees in the MtG universe?


Magic bears hate trees. Except Bear Cub. That fucker is cute as shit.

LOL
wish I can +1 posts
ParanoiaDHerO
Profile Joined July 2009
United States183 Posts
June 08 2012 07:29 GMT
#3495
I'm goin to FNM again today but it's standard this time, what decks should I be worried about most? I've read a lot that UW Delver is the big standard deck right now? I considered building one but really don't want to play the most popular deck if I can avoid it and have fun.
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
June 08 2012 07:47 GMT
#3496
depends on your store, but common decks I've seen across multiple stores:
Delver (UW w/ angel + sword, UW w/ pike, UWb w/ Lingering Souls, UR)
Wolf Run (RG, RGW w/ Day + Elesh Norn, GWBr w/ Lingering Souls)
Gx aggro (RG, RGW, monogreen)
Zombies (monoblack, BR, UB)
Humans (RW, GW, UW)
UWB control
Unburial Rites decks
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
June 08 2012 14:34 GMT
#3497
On June 04 2012 05:49 ManyCookies wrote:
What is it with bears punching down trees in the MtG universe?

On a related note, FUCK Tracker in Limited. Seriously, that card just cockblocks every combat trick AND functions as removal.


I find dead eye naviagtor more annoying to deal with in limited.... >.>
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
June 10 2012 03:05 GMT
#3498
I missed top 8 and got 9th on breakers in the WMCQ today. So close. Played my RUG Delver deck. It's awesome.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
June 10 2012 03:20 GMT
#3499
On June 10 2012 12:05 DEN1ED wrote:
I missed top 8 and got 9th on breakers in the WMCQ today. So close. Played my RUG Delver deck. It's awesome.


I love you. I love RUG, although my deck is shit. How did you manage to get so deep? Shock?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
ParanoiaDHerO
Profile Joined July 2009
United States183 Posts
June 10 2012 03:29 GMT
#3500
gratz on 9th man, so close. Mind a deck comp list at all if you have time? Either way gratz again.
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