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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On March 07 2012 13:14 dignity wrote: Well the one benefit it has is that if it gets milled you can still flash it back. It also takes up one of the 3 spots that is the win-con of the deck, so it doesn't really affect the deck any more than karn does. Its worse than USZ in every regards. And if you think Confusion doesn't effect the deck, go play a few hundred test games, ask yourself how many times that you want have that card in your opening hand, your first 15, then think about it coming as a win con in a situation where they are letting you Drowyard them. Saying it doesn't affect the deck is a joke, there's a reason why UB doesn't shitty 6 drops in their hands except when they want them, aka you lost the game already we're just speeding up the clock situations. Karn beats undying, rapes ramp, beats cards you normally cannot interact with (pws, enchantments, artifacts). Confusion does none of that. Karn is not a reliable win-con but doesn't have to be, it just needs to pressure the fuck out of the opponents and them utterly unable to bluff. UB isn't a mill deck, it doesn't want to tap mana on their turn. Massacre Wurm is not an Elesh or remotely close to it and actually worse than BSZ, you guys are reaching. Also Frites figured out now comfortably, I can at least pull game 1 to a pretty winnable game state now. As for that derpy Stranglethorn decks...still working. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=10339 About half way through he talks about how difficult the Frites match-up is against UB. By his wording I would say he thinks it favors UB and it seems the reasoning is the big fatties at the 6 drop...Mainly grave titan it looks like. To clarify about my passed comment, I was just considering putting confusion in, not really planning on doing so. The fact it's sorcery speed kills it's power and what makes USZ better. Also I wasnt planning on playing Massacre Wurm either. It's strictly worse than Grave Titan and Sphinx in UB. I'm also planning on going from USZ, 2 Sphinx, Grave Titan as my "Finishers" to Karn, 2 Grave Titans, USZ main board. Not only does this make my mainboard threats more efficient it opens a sideboard slot for a Negate or Sever the Bloodline. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Notice Levy only played 1 in the board, my friend ran 2 and it was pretty annoying to deal with. To be perfectly honest after reading his article more closely, I feel like he just didn't treat UB as a deck that he needed to board well against. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
Declare Attackers Phase: 1/1 creature A attacks. Declare Blockers Phase: Creature B is assigned as a blocker. Creature B's ability is now used. Combat Damage Phase: Combat damage is assigned simultaneously. Damage is placed on A and B. 2 Damage to B is prevented and so no damage is dealt. Creature A is now sent to graveyard as a state based effect due to having at least one damage counter on it. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On March 10 2012 11:13 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: If the order of activating abilities is correct, then yes if creature B has sufficient power to kill A. Declare Attackers Phase: 1/1 creature A attacks. Declare Blockers Phase: Creature B is assigned as a blocker. Creature B's ability is now used. Combat Damage Phase: Combat damage is assigned simultaneously. Damage is placed on A and B. 2 Damage to B is prevented and so no damage is dealt. Creature A is now sent to graveyard as a state based effect due to having at least one damage counter on it. Huh, well I guess this changes everything! | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On March 11 2012 11:45 Shotcoder wrote: Alright as much as I hated on USZ I have become hugely respectful of the cards place in the deck. After having my black's sun's sugically removed it was the only thing preventing me from being milled out in the mirror match which I ended up winning with Karn hitting his Drownyards while leaving mine untouched. Why were you keeping BSZs in the mirror? Seems pretty bad. UB's enough of a deck (frequency wise) now that you need to dedicate board space for it, at least 4. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
On March 11 2012 13:12 blade55555 wrote: Ah I started playing on this again cause magic was awesome when I played it and the rules seem weird, I'll never understand how my 3/3 creature when blocking an attack from a 2/2 creature dies xD. Dunno maybe i'm missing something or he double blocked and I was to retarded but man rules seem kinda weird sometimes, otherwise started playing on it cause its still awesome ^^. Note specific rules texts on the card. Deathtouch/double strike/double blocking might be the situation you are talking about. If you can go into detail we can explain better. Magic has very concise wording and rules. Its not terribly hard to understand. | ||
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Ghazwan
Netherlands444 Posts
On March 11 2012 13:12 blade55555 wrote: Ah I started playing on this again cause magic was awesome when I played it and the rules seem weird, I'll never understand how my 3/3 creature when blocking an attack from a 2/2 creature dies xD. Dunno maybe i'm missing something or he double blocked and I was to retarded but man rules seem kinda weird sometimes, otherwise started playing on it cause its still awesome ^^. Most probably his creature had deathtouch? And, the usual suspect for a 2/2 deathtouch creature is acidic slime, so I guess his creature was acidic slime  | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 11 2012 18:24 dignity wrote: Note specific rules texts on the card. Deathtouch/double strike/double blocking might be the situation you are talking about. If you can go into detail we can explain better. Magic has very concise wording and rules. Its not terribly hard to understand. Yeah I just need to remember it all, remember most .I also don't get how I did a thing to get a 5/2 creature and attacked, he blocked with a 3/3 flying creature and my guy dies, yet his lives? t-t. | ||
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Yomi.Doom
United States383 Posts
On March 12 2012 13:05 blade55555 wrote: Yeah I just need to remember it all, remember most .I also don't get how I did a thing to get a 5/2 creature and attacked, he blocked with a 3/3 flying creature and my guy dies, yet his lives? t-t. Sounds like first strike | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
Oh yeah that makes since now I believe it did have first strike :D. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:27 Judicator wrote: Why were you keeping BSZs in the mirror? Seems pretty bad. UB's enough of a deck (frequency wise) now that you need to dedicate board space for it, at least 4. I actually forgot to sideboard, this was game two and took game one. Had I not forgotten spellbombs and Surgicals would have come in. Was just bad on my part as I was talking and shuffling after he conceded and just handed him my deck for a cut without thinking about it. On a side note I'm trying to think of a new deck that's rogue with either Glissa or Tezzeret or something powerful that isn't currently seeing play. With the lack of Delver's at our store decks like Tempered Steel and Mono red are coming back into favor. Along with BG pod decks. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On March 12 2012 13:59 Shotcoder wrote: I actually forgot to sideboard, this was game two and took game one. Had I not forgotten spellbombs and Surgicals would have come in. Was just bad on my part as I was talking and shuffling after he conceded and just handed him my deck for a cut without thinking about it. On a side note I'm trying to think of a new deck that's rogue with either Glissa or Tezzeret or something powerful that isn't currently seeing play. With the lack of Delver's at our store decks like Tempered Steel and Mono red are coming back into favor. Along with BG pod decks. In the really early days of the SoM/INN meta, when UB Control ran up against WRR, RDW, Solar Flare (lol) and the Mirror every match up, I ran a BUG control deck with Garruk Relentless mainboard to break the mirror. I've always wanted it to be a Glissa, Tezz, Solemn/Wellspring/Tumble Magnet/Phyrexian Core kind of deck. I never went there cause it wouldn't be good, but it would be fun! | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On March 12 2012 14:59 slyboogie wrote: In the really early days of the SoM/INN meta, when UB Control ran up against WRR, RDW, Solar Flare (lol) and the Mirror every match up, I ran a BUG control deck with Garruk Relentless mainboard to break the mirror. I've always wanted it to be a Glissa, Tezz, Solemn/Wellspring/Tumble Magnet/Phyrexian Core kind of deck. I never went there cause it wouldn't be good, but it would be fun! Alright Tezz and Glissa were bad examples because I want to do something different than Conley just did on Rogue's gallery and Frank Did with BG pod. THis is what I'm think of building for shits and giggles. It's a Mono red Blightsteel build using the old Big Red idea mixed with the Kuldotha Forgemaster package. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=309161 Seems fun enough. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On March 12 2012 15:09 Shotcoder wrote: Alright Tezz and Glissa were bad examples because I want to do something different than Conley just did on Rogue's gallery and Frank Did with BG pod. THis is what I'm think of building for shits and giggles. It's a Mono red Blightsteel build using the old Big Red idea mixed with the Kuldotha Forgemaster package. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=309161 Seems fun enough. Awww...I didn't mean it was bad. I really like Tezzeret, I think he's very well designed, a strong engine and decent finisher. I just don't think it's gonna be mega competitive. I'd love to play something that had a 40/60 chance against UW Delver, UB Control and Zombies. It's not a great environment for the brewer it seems, since a lot of these aggressive decks get online very quickly for the steamroll. Unless you build something that can prey on 2 of 3 of French Rites, WRR and UB Control, it might not be a very competitive sort of thing. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On March 12 2012 15:24 slyboogie wrote: Awww...I didn't mean it was bad. I really like Tezzeret, I think he's very well designed, a strong engine and decent finisher. I just don't think it's gonna be mega competitive. I'd love to play something that had a 40/60 chance against UW Delver, UB Control and Zombies. It's not a great environment for the brewer it seems, since a lot of these aggressive decks get online very quickly for the steamroll. Unless you build something that can prey on 2 of 3 of French Rites, WRR and UB Control, it might not be a very competitive sort of thing. I didnt mean he was bad, I was just saying I want to do something not done yet. The decks aren't meant to be 100% competitive, just to feed off unexpecting players who don't know card synergies. Another idea I had was a Boros Board Sweeper deck with 4 of Day 4 of Slagstorm, that's only game 1 win conditions were Koth and Gideon, and after sideboard vs Control you would bring in Stromkirks and Stormbloods. but the mana is really bad so it kinda fell to the way side. | ||
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