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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 12 2012 06:54 GMT
#2821
Tezz matches up very well against UB if Tezz sticks. The issue with Tezz is that your outs to grudge are pitiful and wolfrun is a nightmare. Against Frites, UB you actually have pretty favorable MUs but RG is like not winnable unless you board into a UB configuration essentially. Delver and mG are about even I would imagine.

The deck I want to test if I had the time is Genesis Wave RG. The other would be WB Pox tokens. Kind of want to do something with the whole Burning Vengence engine too but thats gonna be four colors with todays environment.
Get it by your hands...
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
March 13 2012 02:03 GMT
#2822
Hey guys I just started playing MTGO again! I quit after INN release but now I'm back and playing Standard and ISD block constructed. Hit me up on skype if you guys want to test or something!
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 13 2012 02:35 GMT
#2823
Anyone going down to Nashville this weekend for the GP? I'll be there with friends.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
March 13 2012 03:19 GMT
#2824
I haven't looked into get a ride yet, but more than likely I'll be there if the crew is driving.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
March 14 2012 06:58 GMT
#2825
anyone playing in scg sacramento?
Translator
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 14 2012 07:18 GMT
#2826
I wish >.<. I'm lucky they're finally having an SCG Columbus this July. That and PTQ Akron =)

Also why don't more Zombie decks run Lilianna? pitching gravecrawlers seems like a fair trade for epic board presence.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
March 14 2012 10:51 GMT
#2827
On March 14 2012 16:18 Shotcoder wrote:
I wish >.<. I'm lucky they're finally having an SCG Columbus this July. That and PTQ Akron =)

Also why don't more Zombie decks run Lilianna? pitching gravecrawlers seems like a fair trade for epic board presence.


Mabye you`ve found the secret to make Zombors a top tier deck :D
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
March 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#2828
On March 14 2012 16:18 Shotcoder wrote:
I wish >.<. I'm lucky they're finally having an SCG Columbus this July. That and PTQ Akron =)

Also why don't more Zombie decks run Lilianna? pitching gravecrawlers seems like a fair trade for epic board presence.


Because you want to play Gravecrawlers turns 1 and 2 and attack, not save them to discard turn 3. You are an aggro deck.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 14 2012 18:50 GMT
#2829
On March 15 2012 02:00 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 16:18 Shotcoder wrote:
I wish >.<. I'm lucky they're finally having an SCG Columbus this July. That and PTQ Akron =)

Also why don't more Zombie decks run Lilianna? pitching gravecrawlers seems like a fair trade for epic board presence.


Because you want to play Gravecrawlers turns 1 and 2 and attack, not save them to discard turn 3. You are an aggro deck.


but gravecrawlers you draw after turn 3? It doesnt matter if they're in you hand if you have azombie on board so dropping a Lily and pitching it to cast it later seems fine to me.

was playing UB control and tapped out for batterskull for him to drop a lily which took over the game. Took me by surprise and that surprise ended up winning him the game. And after some thought the inclusion of such a powerful effect seems really good right now.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 14 2012 19:17 GMT
#2830
Another question TLers.

When Kozilek's Predator into play with another Kozilek's Predator on the field, do you get 4 tokens?
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Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
March 14 2012 19:40 GMT
#2831
On March 15 2012 04:17 Xiphos wrote:
Another question TLers.

When Kozilek's Predator into play with another Kozilek's Predator on the field, do you get 4 tokens?


No.
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DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 00:11:58
March 14 2012 20:13 GMT
#2832
On March 15 2012 04:17 Xiphos wrote:
Another question TLers.

When Kozilek's Predator into play with another Kozilek's Predator on the field, do you get 4 tokens?


For cards like that it would say "when X comes into play enters the battlefield (lol), put Y into play for every X you control" or something like that.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 14 2012 20:58 GMT
#2833
To all the UB player what are your thoughts on Druidic Satchel? Seems really good to either get that extra life, an extra blocker, or get through a land drop.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 14 2012 22:05 GMT
#2834
No. Chances of you getting a block is low. Chances of you gaining life is alright except you die to Swords anyways, dumping a land into play is nice, but there's no point, drawing lands isn't a big deal. It doesn't do anything in UB. I used it in UW control a while back since it works yourself up to a big WSZ a turn or two quicker while filtering your draws.

Lily is great against UB in the Zombies build until the board in which case I would play Smallpox over it. Countering a turn 2 smallpox (they basically lose if they don't) pretty much puts most UB opening hands in a weird situation. It honestly depends on the UB build, if they main Lily, she's terrible (you really want to spend your turn 3 playing a lily to kill theirs or vice versa?) if they board out lily, you can blow them out with it on turn 3. Otherwise, it's just meh, extreme variation in success, but still meh.

Speaking of which, mono-red pretty good in the current meta, expect to see that deck to re-appear with some vengeance.
Get it by your hands...
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 14 2012 22:39 GMT
#2835
On March 15 2012 05:13 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 04:17 Xiphos wrote:
Another question TLers.

When Kozilek's Predator into play with another Kozilek's Predator on the field, do you get 4 tokens?


For cards like that it would say "when X comes into play, put Y into play for every X you control" or something like that.

On March 15 2012 04:40 Rainofpain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 04:17 Xiphos wrote:
Another question TLers.

When Kozilek's Predator into play with another Kozilek's Predator on the field, do you get 4 tokens?


No.


Do you guys have any sources (hopefully official ones) that specifically say that?

This one guy played Blade Splicer with another one on the field, and he is getting 2 tokens instead of just one that you two have stated. We stopped the game and if I were able to prove him wrong in the future, he waged me(with witnesses) for one free slap on the face and I really do wish to perform that task. lol
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el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
March 14 2012 22:50 GMT
#2836
On March 15 2012 07:39 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 05:13 DEN1ED wrote:
On March 15 2012 04:17 Xiphos wrote:
Another question TLers.

When Kozilek's Predator into play with another Kozilek's Predator on the field, do you get 4 tokens?


For cards like that it would say "when X comes into play, put Y into play for every X you control" or something like that.

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 04:40 Rainofpain wrote:
On March 15 2012 04:17 Xiphos wrote:
Another question TLers.

When Kozilek's Predator into play with another Kozilek's Predator on the field, do you get 4 tokens?


No.


Do you guys have any sources (hopefully official ones) that specifically say that?

This one guy played Blade Splicer with another one on the field, and he is getting 2 tokens instead of just one that you two have stated. We stopped the game and if I were able to prove him wrong in the future, he waged me(with witnesses) for one free slap on the face and I really do wish to perform that task. lol


I'm no judge, but I think this is the ruling you are looking for:
201.4. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.

Basically, the card's name in the text box is shorthand for "this card." "when ~this card~ enters the battlefield, ..."

Unfortunately it is a little hard to explain other than to say, it works like the people in this thread are telling you.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 15 2012 00:02 GMT
#2837
Enter the battlefield abilities are triggered abilities, without getting too complicated, existing copies of the card do not trigger upon other copies of the card entering the battlefield.

201.4 pretty much clears this up....found here: http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Name

If your friend is still unconvinced:

603.6a Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield. These are written, "When [this object] enters the battlefield, ..." or "Whenever a [type] enters the battlefield, ..." Each time an event puts one or more permanents onto the battlefield, all permanents on the battlefield (including the newcomers) are checked for any enters-the-battlefield triggers that match the event.

Notice the bracketed words and the differences between them, this object means just this object. Your friend is thinking of the latter. The last part of that ruling refers to things like Genesis Wave were multiple permanents are being put into play at once (at once as defined by the game).

This is all taken from the Comprehensive FAQ (aka level 1 judge level stuff).
Get it by your hands...
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 15 2012 00:22 GMT
#2838
Yes, sections and verses from the official handbook, exactly what I am looking for. Much appreciated Dawg and Judicator.
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dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
March 17 2012 20:38 GMT
#2839
Judicator I'm curious as to how a t2 smallpox works. Won't that screw you just as much as it screws them?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 17 2012 21:00 GMT
#2840
On March 18 2012 05:38 dignity wrote:
Judicator I'm curious as to how a t2 smallpox works. Won't that screw you just as much as it screws them?


Just by reading my name, you should be able to realize that I am not the person you are trying to refer. However on the subject of smallpox, it really depends on the type of deck is being constructed. Smallpox in MBC = excellent choice of card, Smallpox in decks that uses lifegain as the primary method of winning is not so ideal.
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