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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Sounds like you are keeping bad hands. Theres a reason why people play gut shots. In either case, all esper lists are strong against control and terrible against mid range decks. Dismember is criminally under played in all control lists right now as is celestial purge Usz is underwhelming outside of pristine control | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
Edit: Ninjaed by Judicator in the dismember/celestial purge suggestions. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
I really feel the 4 days are necessary, maybe not all mainboard but definitely in some combination. Drownyard mainboard too? Can you support the colors for it with 5 colorless lands total? What land would I drop? I'm also questioning the effectiveness of ratchet bomb. I guess it's really good against UW delver but it just didn;'t do much for me in those match-ups I played. My reasoning for marrow shards is it's just as big of a blow out as gut shot is against everything except delver...which I guess explains why I should remove it. lol | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
4 Days are what makes esper better than solar in most match ups. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
You have worry about doomed traveler, stromkirk noble, delver, illusions, birds and pilgrim, all of which comes under your counterspells and puts you in terrible lines of play if on the draw. The lack of combo in standard makes control decks like yours miserable. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
And really I'm not looking to beat the 8-12 players at FNM. Our store is running a tournament this month where he hopes to have 70+ people. It's going to be free, and the first place pay out is a case of Dark ascension. So I'm looking to beat them not the FNM crowd. I want the best deck that when I sit down to play 70-100 people I'll feel confident I'm running a good deck that will give me the best chances of Top 8ing without playing something mainstream. I had that when I was running humans but I was constantly annoyed by the fact it had a horrible match up not only to T-steel but UW control. Which weren't highly played decks but they were the ones I ran into the most frequently because of standings and such. Hell maybe I should just run pristine control and get over the fact I don't like it. Or even just UW or UB control. I'm just a huge fan of this decks versatility. And also the fact I want to participate in more PTQs this coming year than I did this year and even make it to 1-2 GPs I need to branch out my skills as a player which is another reason I specifically picked Esper. It's a difficult deck to not only build but to play. And like I said the deck felt fine, I actually blame horrible decision making, and inexperience with the deck as a huge part of the losses I had. I'll get there, I have a month of testing to find out. Edit: I said it earlier, I don't want to be the stereotypical "aggro player". I've put up positive numbers with Big Red, Goblins, Kuldotha Rebirth, and Humans, Time to do something that requires a bit of thinking. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 02 2012 12:31 Shotcoder wrote: meta where i am changes a lot. we have quite a few people that frequent PTQs and GPs and SCG Qs around. So they tend to flock to the best performing deck. after world's it was tempered steal and wolf run. I expect it to be Illusions and some other mid range deck now. And really I'm not looking to beat the 8-12 players at FNM. Our store is running a tournament this month where he hopes to have 70+ people. It's going to be free, and the first place pay out is a case of Dark ascension. So I'm looking to beat them not the FNM crowd. I want the best deck that when I sit down to play 70-100 people I'll feel confident I'm running a good deck that will give me the best chances of Top 8ing without playing something mainstream. I had that when I was running humans but I was constantly annoyed by the fact it had a horrible match up not only to T-steel but UW control. Which weren't highly played decks but they were the ones I ran into the most frequently because of standings and such. Hell maybe I should just run pristine control and get over the fact I don't like it. Or even just UW or UB control. I'm just a huge fan of this decks versatility. And also the fact I want to participate in more PTQs this coming year than I did this year and even make it to 1-2 GPs I need to branch out my skills as a player which is another reason I specifically picked Esper. It's a difficult deck to not only build but to play. And like I said the deck felt fine, I actually blame horrible decision making, and inexperience with the deck as a huge part of the losses I had. I'll get there, I have a month of testing to find out. Edit: I said it earlier, I don't want to be the stereotypical "aggro player". I've put up positive numbers with Big Red, Goblins, Kuldotha Rebirth, and Humans, Time to do something that requires a bit of thinking. To me, its just better to play what you like. You will play better with a deck that you feel are more comfortable than with the deck that is the hot topic. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On January 02 2012 12:42 amazingxkcd wrote: To me, its just better to play what you like. You will play better with a deck that you feel are more comfortable than with the deck that is the hot topic. And I had that with humans until it got boring. Turn 1 doomed Traveler, turn 2 Honor, turn 3 crusader, turn 4 hero is only so much fun when you rely on that type of play every time. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On January 02 2012 12:46 Shotcoder wrote: And I had that with humans until it got boring. Turn 1 doomed Traveler, turn 2 Honor, turn 3 crusader, turn 4 hero is only so much fun when you rely on that type of play every time. I got turn 1 doom traveler, t2 Intangible Virtue, T3 Midnight Haunting'd last night twice. I even had to O-Ring a doomed traveler once... | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On January 02 2012 16:21 Shotcoder wrote: I really want to build a deck around something stupid. Like Lab Maniac or Mindshrieker...or maybe glissa <.< I lost (a game) to a guy with a Mindshrieker deck a few weeks ago. I believe it was Esper and it had 4 of all 3 of the Chancellors of every color, plus a Mimic Vat. Add in some card draw and Unburial Rites and you have a fun little deck. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
On January 02 2012 16:21 Shotcoder wrote: I really want to build a deck around something stupid. Like Lab Maniac or Mindshrieker...or maybe glissa <.< BUG self-mill | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 7x Forest 10x Mountain 1x Prey Upon 1x Geistflame 1x Reckless Waif // Merciless Predator 1x Gatstaf Shepherd // Gatstaf Howler 1x Darkthicket Wolf 1x Ashmouth Hound 1x Kruin Outlaw // Terror of Kruin Pass 1x Daybreak Ranger // Nightfall Predator 1x Ambush Viper 1x Kessig Wolf 1x Village Ironsmith // Ironfang 1x Orchard Spirit 1x Grizzled Outcasts // Krallenhorde Wantons 3x Brimstone Volley 1x Moonmist 1x Pitchburn Devils 1x Rage Thrower 1x Into the Maw of Hell 1x Crossway Vampire 1x Curse of the Stalked Prey 1x Tormented Pariah Notable Sideboard: 1x Naturalize 2x Curse of the Nightly Hunt 1x Travel Preparations 1x Gutter Grime Ended up playing 2 mediocre G/W decks (was overdrafted at the table, but one had Garruk and the other got a 3rd pick Geist-Honored Monk) and had a great 3 round match against the 2nd best Burning Vengeance deck I'd ever seen. Had T1 Reckless Waif 5 times out of the 8 games I played so had a bit of luck there. Terror just won games and T1 waif followed by T2 Curse of the Stalked Prey and T3 anything just decimated people. Underrated rare ftw. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On January 03 2012 09:06 slyboogie wrote: Wut the furk? That's super good. I think Curse sucks but doesn't matter on the play with a T1 Reckless Waif, I suppose. A lot of players don't even have a Turn 1 play, so Waif is quite good, regardless. I would play Gutter Grime though. Probably over...? Devils? I sided it in vs the Vengeance guy because he had infinite removal and Blasphemous act. All of the other games were kind of them durdling and me playing dudes. I'm not a huge fan of the grime in that deck because he's 5 mana and all of my guys are quite resilient. Curse of the Stalked Prey is absolutely excellent in 1 of 2 decks: 1) Werewolves/large midrange creatures - It forces them to chump with their little guys or your big guys get unreasonably large. That's what happened in several games. He had to chump with a pilgrim or my wolf was going to get 4/4 (6/6 if I pump) and forced 2 Festerhide Boars to chump my Ironfang twice. 2) Evasion.dek - R/W mostly, but R/U gets honorable mention. T2 curse followed by T3 Midnight Haunting on his end step is the nuts. I have done this before too. I will acknowledge it sets you behind if you're playing a tempo deck or a straight burn deck, which are the decks people try to force it into, and that's why it doesn't work. Still, at 6th pick, it's quite an excellent pickup. Also, don't play moonmist with 5 or less wolves. I had ~7 (without double checking the list). Most of the time when I used it, I flipped an Ironsmith + Shepherd, but there was one game I flipped over an Outlaw, Ironsmith, and Outcasts in the same turn. He flipped them back with double travel prep, but I just shipped the turn and he lost in short order. | ||
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