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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 29 2011 19:17 GMT
#2101
I have no idea, I've only tested the deck vs UW Faeries, Neo Jund, and GW Melira pod. Seems fine in all three of those match ups.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 29 2011 19:59 GMT
#2102
If I lost the die roll against Zoo, I would just rather die. Spell Snare for Goyf is good, of course, but otherwise, you're looking at the beats. And KotR is just the worst.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
November 30 2011 19:30 GMT
#2103
Can anyone help summarize what the whole situation is with Wizards revamping a lot of the professional scene stuff? I keep on hearing bad things about the future of professional Magic, but I haven't been really following the drama myself.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 01 2011 01:32 GMT
#2104
On December 01 2011 04:30 scintilliaSD wrote:
Can anyone help summarize what the whole situation is with Wizards revamping a lot of the professional scene stuff? I keep on hearing bad things about the future of professional Magic, but I haven't been really following the drama myself.


They brought in Planeswalker points, which rewards you for playing more, but you still benefit tremendously by playing non-stop in side-events in big tournies. If you win the big stuff, you still get to go to the bigger stuff, but then there will always be that other half of randoms due to PPoints. And now it's been thrown around that their will be one last Worlds, then wizards is going to be doing something different. If it increases exposure I'm all for it, but I still hope it manages to get the highest level players playing high-level games. I think worlds did a pretty good job of that, so I hope wizards doesn't try to fix what isn't broken in that regard.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 01 2011 02:37 GMT
#2105
On December 01 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2011 04:30 scintilliaSD wrote:
Can anyone help summarize what the whole situation is with Wizards revamping a lot of the professional scene stuff? I keep on hearing bad things about the future of professional Magic, but I haven't been really following the drama myself.


They brought in Planeswalker points, which rewards you for playing more, but you still benefit tremendously by playing non-stop in side-events in big tournies. If you win the big stuff, you still get to go to the bigger stuff, but then there will always be that other half of randoms due to PPoints. And now it's been thrown around that their will be one last Worlds, then wizards is going to be doing something different. If it increases exposure I'm all for it, but I still hope it manages to get the highest level players playing high-level games. I think worlds did a pretty good job of that, so I hope wizards doesn't try to fix what isn't broken in that regard.


PWP isn't the issue. The fact that Wizards botched the whole announcement without introducing an alternative is stupid, top players can't plan for international events. Look at the major event geographical distribution, it's hard for the international scene to survive something like this. This on top of the fact that they did away with everything after saying they wanted to improve the community since top local players can't effectively play in their local scene due to ELO rating which is fine, but then they squash Worlds and more importantly marginalize Nationals.

Nobody knows where Wizards is going with this outside of themselves and judging by their multipliers for PWP, I am not sure they do either. The way it is right now, it seems like they want people to dump massive amounts of money going to their events....but the vast majority of the money isn't actually spent on the event themselves but rather all the expenses associated with the travel.

Long story short, the current system (both PWP and whatever format the PT ends up being in) they have announced doesn't necessarily reward performance and they haven't shown anything otherwise.
Get it by your hands...
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 01 2011 02:47 GMT
#2106
Anyone going to the SCG Event in Charlotte? The crew is driving and I've got space for ~2 more people if you need a ride.
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
December 01 2011 09:53 GMT
#2107
you're from houston, right? going to SCG sounds tempting but i dunno if i can justify the time off, guess i'll just hope all the remaining good players go to houston for the PTQ so this GPT in Austin is soft :V
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 02 2011 04:23 GMT
#2108
Yea, We'll be driving all the way down I-10 pretty much and leaving thursday night most likely. Plus it is in a week. As for this weekend, most of us have work and more than likely be playing the PTQ at 3cc rather than drive to pats for the GPT. I only know of like 2 people going to the GPT, so unless lots of locals show (usually the case) it'll prolly be pretty soft.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 02 2011 07:18 GMT
#2109
On December 02 2011 13:23 Cixah wrote:
Yea, We'll be driving all the way down I-10 pretty much and leaving thursday night most likely. Plus it is in a week. As for this weekend, most of us have work and more than likely be playing the PTQ at 3cc rather than drive to pats for the GPT. I only know of like 2 people going to the GPT, so unless lots of locals show (usually the case) it'll prolly be pretty soft.


Are both of the aforementioned events Constructed or Limited? I have to study and get a paper done over the weekend, but dropping a few hours isn't out of the question. I just don't like my matchup against aggro (75% of the decks) in constructed.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 02 2011 17:44 GMT
#2110
On December 02 2011 16:18 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 13:23 Cixah wrote:
Yea, We'll be driving all the way down I-10 pretty much and leaving thursday night most likely. Plus it is in a week. As for this weekend, most of us have work and more than likely be playing the PTQ at 3cc rather than drive to pats for the GPT. I only know of like 2 people going to the GPT, so unless lots of locals show (usually the case) it'll prolly be pretty soft.


Are both of the aforementioned events Constructed or Limited? I have to study and get a paper done over the weekend, but dropping a few hours isn't out of the question. I just don't like my matchup against aggro (75% of the decks) in constructed.


GPT in Austin is constructed for the Orlando GP, the PTQ is for Honolulu and is Sealed.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 02 2011 20:36 GMT
#2111
On December 03 2011 02:44 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 16:18 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 02 2011 13:23 Cixah wrote:
Yea, We'll be driving all the way down I-10 pretty much and leaving thursday night most likely. Plus it is in a week. As for this weekend, most of us have work and more than likely be playing the PTQ at 3cc rather than drive to pats for the GPT. I only know of like 2 people going to the GPT, so unless lots of locals show (usually the case) it'll prolly be pretty soft.


Are both of the aforementioned events Constructed or Limited? I have to study and get a paper done over the weekend, but dropping a few hours isn't out of the question. I just don't like my matchup against aggro (75% of the decks) in constructed.


GPT in Austin is constructed for the Orlando GP, the PTQ is for Honolulu and is Sealed.


PTQ it is. What time does it start? I haven't been in the last few weeks and it's not on the website.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 02 2011 20:43 GMT
#2112
Registration starts at 9 am till 10. Booster Drafts though EHevents once enough people drop. It's the last PTQ of the season too so I think a few good people might turn out.
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
December 02 2011 23:08 GMT
#2113
there's also a sealed GPT at Dragon's Lair in Austin this Saturday, I've been told it's for GP Austin but don't take my word for it lol
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 03 2011 08:14 GMT
#2114
so I just did a sealed event for the hell of it for ISD

I have no idea what I was doing and my deck sucked (also I didn't realize it until after I kinda picked my colors that it was 30 card decks o_O thought it was 40... Fffs)

since I don't want to paste my whole decklist + what cards I had in my card pool, I'll just link to my blog post about it (since I'm in the habit of posting anything I do on my personal blog, such as SC2 games or MTGO games.... so yeah)

http://zhurai.kaihouinc.com/posts/890-mtgo-sealed-tournaments-i-played-122-123

~_~

I went RG cause I was stupid enough to go into it I guess (well I did have Kessig Wolf Run in the deck, but it was stupid to go for it still ' =_=) maybe blue+white would've been better?

so I got several cards from it and I'm wondering... are these cards good for a G/W humans deck?
- Angelic Overseer
- Elder of Laurels
- Wreath of Geists
- the Green Werewolves I got?
-- Gatstaf Shepherd
- unruly mob?

idk

if not then I guess I'll sell those that I got..... =_=

Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
December 03 2011 08:33 GMT
#2115
I kind of feel like your pool was better in U/B (maybe splash for rebuke, maybe feelings of dead?), overall the pool seems mediocre (then again I'm a draft player, so I'm not used to how sealed looks in the pool). Almost all your blue is playable. Your black has 2 moans, some removal. You had a few dead cards in the GR deck, IE vampiric fury with almost no vampires. You don't have enough aggressive red creatures (bloodcrazed neonate) to really be playing aggressive.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 09:52:20
December 03 2011 09:14 GMT
#2116
On December 03 2011 17:33 bobbob wrote:
I kind of feel like your pool was better in U/B (maybe splash for rebuke, maybe feelings of dead?), overall the pool seems mediocre (then again I'm a draft player, so I'm not used to how sealed looks in the pool). Almost all your blue is playable. Your black has 2 moans, some removal. You had a few dead cards in the GR deck, IE vampiric fury with almost no vampires. You don't have enough aggressive red creatures (bloodcrazed neonate) to really be playing aggressive.

Yeah I realized the vampiric fury when I was actually playing the games and then I was like "well.. Crap."

and yeah I see what you mean.

Now looking at the list afterwards I can see yeah U/B would've been stronger with as U would give me lots of flying threats and black would've given me removal....

>_< lol Kessig Wolf Run was like "HEY GO GR" ... and then I was like "Oh..... OK!" and then my deck was shitty

Oh well. I'm not really the best at deck making and I haven't really played much limited at all, and didn't know what to use the tickets exactly on to make the G/W humans deck stronger

Guess I'll either play a draft or another sealed for the heck of it... and then buy a bit more tickets and start actually tyring to do constructed with whatever pool of cards I have >_< (although with a draft I'd prob have to go with 4-3-2-2 because I haven't tried to draft yet on mtgo. I yes, did play mtg long time ago, still trying to get back into it, so I'll lose money... for now, sure, but I guess I'll have more experience... Ugh ~_~)

on another note those cards.... I wonder if I should add those to my constructed G/W Humans deck... = =
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
December 03 2011 09:56 GMT
#2117
Pilgrim if you don't already have 4 in is a must include, aside from that I think that there would be better alternatives to anything in your pool, unless you are playing block constructed, in which case I would play overseer.

As a general thing, build your deck around what commons/uncommons, don't just make a deck around a bomby creature (or land, in this case) as many times you won't draw it or be able to make as good use of it. Splashing for it if you are in one of the card's colors (or the card costs a single of that color) is obviously good. In sealed I generally will look at what colors have the most playable cards.

As for drafting, if you don't know the rule of BREAD, it's a simple rule to follow on how to pick your stuff. First, take bomb cards, cards that will win games if unchecked for short periods of time. These are cards such as Kessig Cagebreakers, Olivia Volaren, Geist of Saint Traft (and planeswalkers). Next is removal, since these go fast. Next evasion dudes, aggressive (generally low costed creatures), then dregs.
This generally will set up a pretty decent somewhat aggressive deck, until you feel more comfortable branching out. I also suggest watching drafts of some of the pro players, as you can see what they pick for certain decks. Helps me out a lot on what cards they value highly, and what they will pick over something else.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 03 2011 11:22 GMT
#2118
On December 03 2011 18:56 bobbob wrote:
Pilgrim if you don't already have 4 in is a must include, aside from that I think that there would be better alternatives to anything in your pool, unless you are playing block constructed, in which case I would play overseer.

Yeah I have 4. I mainly took my decklist from the G/W humans deck from BoaB from mtg's website >_<


On December 03 2011 18:56 bobbob wrote:
As a general thing, build your deck around what commons/uncommons, don't just make a deck around a bomby creature (or land, in this case) as many times you won't draw it or be able to make as good use of it. Splashing for it if you are in one of the card's colors (or the card costs a single of that color) is obviously good. In sealed I generally will look at what colors have the most playable cards.

As for drafting, if you don't know the rule of BREAD, it's a simple rule to follow on how to pick your stuff. First, take bomb cards, cards that will win games if unchecked for short periods of time. These are cards such as Kessig Cagebreakers, Olivia Volaren, Geist of Saint Traft (and planeswalkers). Next is removal, since these go fast. Next evasion dudes, aggressive (generally low costed creatures), then dregs.
This generally will set up a pretty decent somewhat aggressive deck, until you feel more comfortable branching out. I also suggest watching drafts of some of the pro players, as you can see what they pick for certain decks. Helps me out a lot on what cards they value highly, and what they will pick over something else.

Heh... I did read those stuff before, but they all... went all out of my head I guess when I was making the deck (also having a 30 card deck rather than a 40 card one like I was expecting also made me go...well like "wtf... wait what O_O"... etc

Need to keep it in mind more, but I guess I was also tilted from losing alot from the SC2 ladder as well so... Oh well Better stop making more excuses for myself

Thanks for the advice ~...
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
December 03 2011 19:32 GMT
#2119
I just want to share my loathe of Tempered Steel. I've been keeping track of my match and game win percentage with ym haunted humans deck since I built it and I can say that Tempered Steel is a huge problem for Haunted Humans. I even sideboard 9-11 cards depending on the cards I see.

Here's my old deck list and sideboard

+ Show Spoiler +

Artifacts
2x Sword of War and Peace
Creatures
4x Hero of Bladehold
4x Mirran Crusader
4x Grand Abolisher
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Doomed Traveler
2x Fiend Hunter
2x Geist of Saint Traft
Enchantments
2x Angelic Destiny
4x Honor of the Pure
3x Oblivion Ring
Land
4x Seachrome Coast
4x Glacial Fortress
2x Moorland Haunt
10x Plains
2x Island
Spells
3x Mana Leak

Sideboard
3x Revoke Existence
2x Divine Offering
3x Dismember
2x Celestial Purge
1x Oblivion Ring
2x Phantasmal Image
2x Fiend Hunter


and with that I would side in 3 revokes, 2 divine offerings, 3 dismembers, and 2 fiend hunters and sometimes Oring depending on play or draw.

so I switched to this because I found champion of the parish quite an underwhelming card in the deck.

+ Show Spoiler +

Artifacts
2x Sword of War and Peace
Creatures
4x Hero of Bladehold
2x Leonin Relic-Warder
4x Mirran Crusader
2x Gideon's Lawkeeper
4x Grand Abolisher
4x Doomed Traveler
2x Fiend Hunter
2x Geist of Saint Traft
Enchantments
2x Angelic Destiny
4x Honor of the Pure
3x Oblivion Ring
Land
4x Seachrome Coast
4x Glacial Fortress
3x Moorland Haunt
10x Plains
1x Island
Spells
3x Mana Leak

Sideboard
3x Revoke Existence
2x Divine Offering
3x Dismember
2x Celestial Purge
2x Day of Judgment
1x Mana Leak
2x Fiend Hunter


which gives me 12 possible sideboard cards for T-steel and mackes my Match-up vs GW tokens and other aggro decks better in my opinion.

What do you guys think?
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 03 2011 22:14 GMT
#2120
I've found Dismember to be tough against Tenpered Steel, for obvious reasons. It's not a great card, but if you're worried about Tempered Steel, you can try Gut Shot.
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