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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On November 14 2011 14:34 dignity wrote: People still play t-steel?  I thought that deck died with the rotation of the overseer. Mikaeus is nowhere near as good in that deck. yea the deck was pretty much 4 inkmoth 16 plains 3 mox 4 Hero of Bladehold 4 memnite 4 signal pest 4 spine thopter 4 vault Skirge 4 Glint Hawk Idol 4 tempered Steel 3 Oblivion Ring 4 dispatch 2 Shrine of Loyal Legions That's a rough estimate and sadly he turn 2 or 3'd a tempered steel both games he won. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
That said, Tempered Steel is one of those decks that can goddraw and turn 3 you or do nothing for 6-7 turns. It's inconsistent, but extraordinarily powerful when you get lucky. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 11 2011 03:53 Risen wrote: Perfect. I'll let him know about this. Will make my life considerably harder haha Edit: The usual game goes T1 doomed traveler/champion of the parish, T2 honor of the pure/grand abolisher. He has to blow 2 mana removing the abolisher which allows me to land a crusader/geist/sword followed by T4 haunting/equip depending on the situation. What are his options? Your answer seems like a good response, but grand abolisher is a real dayfucker. If it works out that real play verifies what you do that's fine. I'm theorycrafting here and I know it, so I'm already taking what I do with a grain of salt before I have him make those changes It depends on the hand, unless it's double Abolisher, you're sitting alright. The Abolisher isn't counter worthy though. If his line of play is Abolisher (killed on your turn) to turn 3 Swords, that's not terrible either since you have 2 turns if not more before that Sword actually becomes active. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
I know nobody cares, but I had to brag about it somewhere. Inquisitor's Flail surprisingly very good for me in most u/w decks as well. The game prior, I won by casting Feeling of Dread and then Flailing up my Civilized Scholar. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Anyways last Friday I drafted the nuts UB mill yourself deck. I had to cut a Forbidden Alchemy and an Armored Skaab cause the card power of the deck was stupidly high. Snapcaster, Reaper, Sturmgeist, Back from the Brink, Drownyard, 2x Claustrophobia, 3x Silents, Grasp, Sensory Depra, Alchemy, Think Twice, Stitchers, Scholar, Victim, Moan. The literal nuts, I didn't give a shit about any deck that I could have ran into, felt like playing block constructed. I literally had 31 playables before I had to start cutting. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
Also I've seen some questionable pilots, by that I mean casting forbidden alchemy, seeing island, island, Batterskull, negate vs tempered steel and keeping negate. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On November 15 2011 18:23 Shotcoder wrote: Watching LSV run the Gauntlet with UB control makes me wonder about the deck quite a bit. I knew it was a bit iffy watching it a couple times but this just makes my opinion of it that much worse. It doesn't help every singe time I've seen the deck drownyard they've dumped a win condition in the bin and can't finish because of it. Also I've seen some questionable pilots, by that I mean casting forbidden alchemy, seeing island, island, Batterskull, negate vs tempered steel and keeping negate. Depends on the board-state and turn doesn't it? I mean, I'd rather have Batterskull 80% of the time, but depends right? Also, bad pilots don't speak to the deck's strength. And what do you mean about the Drownyard? You saw a U/B Control player milling himself often? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:53 slyboogie wrote: Wouldn't you rather play the Forbidden Alchemy instead of the Think Twice? Especially with all that blue flashback and a Snapcaster? Because when you go Forbidden Alchemy end of turn and see this: Forbidden Alchemy Victim of the Night Dead Weight Strumgeist You know the deck isn't your average UB deck. Like I wasn't playing Makeshift Mauler or the Moan because I actually had better cards than those. I was cutting from 31 and those 8 cards were easily playable in any other UB deck. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
you werent running a moan? 0_0 | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
I wasn't playing the typical UB mill yourself deck, it was literally a controlled mill yourself deck like one you might see in Block constructed. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
i might have cut a silent departure for it. silent departure gets abit worse when you arent putting a bunch of pressure. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On November 15 2011 19:57 slyboogie wrote: Depends on the board-state and turn doesn't it? I mean, I'd rather have Batterskull 80% of the time, but depends right? Also, bad pilots don't speak to the deck's strength. And what do you mean about the Drownyard? You saw a U/B Control player milling himself often? It was a late turn like 10-12 and the tempered steel player(who was my friend) landed a shrine of loyal legions the turn before. I think the pilot was just really bad as he later finished the game by having to cast a black sun for 0 just so he didnt deck himself the following turn. He also was the one who drownyarded himself hitting a sphinx and another batterskull. Yes I understand throwing cards into the graveyard with Alchemy and drownyard to feed the value of Snapcaster but the fact you can dump a threat of drownyard makes me want to run the card a lot less and the deck a lot less. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:53 Shotcoder wrote: It was a late turn like 10-12 and the tempered steel player(who was my friend) landed a shrine of loyal legions the turn before. I think the pilot was just really bad as he later finished the game by having to cast a black sun for 0 just so he didnt deck himself the following turn. He also was the one who drownyarded himself hitting a sphinx and another batterskull. Yes I understand throwing cards into the graveyard with Alchemy and drownyard to feed the value of Snapcaster but the fact you can dump a threat of drownyard makes me want to run the card a lot less and the deck a lot less. no the drownyard player is just awful. he shouldnt be just milling himself every fucking turn. drownyard is mostly just a land in aggro matchups, but in control matchups its quite possibly one of the most powerful cards ever printed. the best thing is you get to side in more lands(something control decks have been wanting to do for a long time) while still siding in the best card ever for the matchup. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On November 16 2011 04:01 Orpheos wrote: no the drownyard player is just awful. he shouldnt be just milling himself every fucking turn. drownyard is mostly just a land in aggro matchups, but in control matchups its quite possibly one of the most powerful cards ever printed. the best thing is you get to side in more lands(something control decks have been wanting to do for a long time) while still siding in the best card ever for the matchup. he didnt drownyard himself every turn he did it once or twice, but the fact he was also casting forbidden Alchemy put him 22 cards behind the tempered steel player(this isn't even counting think twices) so drownyarding the tempered steel player later in the game turned out to be too slow. This is also another reason I don't play Control, I prefer aggro or tempo decks. Sittign there playing reactive just kills me. Also can I ask why Ponder isn't seeing play in any control decks right now? | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:53 Judicator wrote: Because when you go Forbidden Alchemy end of turn and see this: Forbidden Alchemy Victim of the Night Dead Weight Strumgeist You know the deck isn't your average UB deck. Like I wasn't playing Makeshift Mauler or the Moan because I actually had better cards than those. I was cutting from 31 and those 8 cards were easily playable in any other UB deck. Who cares? One of those cards is clearly the right card in every situation. And you're more likely to see at least one land and one of your 15-23rd cards, through sheer statistics. That's just one situation where all 4 cards were playable. It could have been Island, Silent Departure, Think Twice and Stitcher's Apprentice - you have no way of knowing, it's like new players getting mad that they're getting milled. It's just confirmation bias. I'm quite sure that Forbidden Alchemy is better than Think Twice at least more that half the time. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On November 16 2011 05:02 slyboogie wrote: @Shotcoder I don't know why he's Drownyarding himself at all. So he's playing Tempered Steel, managed to get to the 4 land necessary for Nephalia Drownyard and used it twice at the end of his opponents turn? Was there nothing to counterspell? And casting Think Twice and Forbidden Alchemy isn't putting you "cards behind." It would be "cards ahead." It's cards behind when you decide after you drop 4 out of 5 win conditions into the graveyard do to Downyard, horrible alchemy keeps and not leaving counter magic open after casting sphinx, that the best way to win here is to mill your opponent. So now you have what 15 cards left in your deck while he has 35-40? and you still have to rebuy 1 alchemy just so you can find the curse so his 1/1 myrs off the shrine don't kill you first. Sure the deck is insane with turn 2 mana leak, turn 3 dissipate, turn 4 snapcaster into mana leak...etc but when it doesnt have draw like that the deck seems weak and behind in almost every situation. This is why as a Haunted Humans player I see turn one darkslick shores and I am actually excited. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:53 Judicator wrote: Because when you go Forbidden Alchemy end of turn and see this: Forbidden Alchemy Victim of the Night Dead Weight Strumgeist You know the deck isn't your average UB deck. Like I wasn't playing Makeshift Mauler or the Moan because I actually had better cards than those. I was cutting from 31 and those 8 cards were easily playable in any other UB deck. You weren't playing Moan? That card is much better than most of the cards you have listed. | ||
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