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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
March 10 2011 17:39 GMT
#621
la la la la la everyone is now an expert on consuming games and am disappointed in all things change. You can still play the game like a tactics if you wanted on the PC at least it's possible, turn the difficulty way up and just use the pause a lot issuing commands to each character. There aren't alot of moves early on but it's not that you tend to use that many moves in turn based tactics it usually is just use the good ones. Only thing that prevents this game from playing like more traditional tactics is a lack of over head view. RPG be rpg, bioware made this more like an rpg frankly a lack of general direction in the story makes it more believable that one person can effect the story and the pull of the story isn't do dominant that you are compelled by it in the usual fantasy game manner, sure the story still revolves around you but it's not the usual every 5 mins remind everyone in the world that you are all hope crap. As far controls eh it's a console ported game by all means i've played worse want PC games to be better make the PC industry more profitable then making console games. I don't see why people are calling the game crap and such, it's a pretty decent game better then most games that come out, ya'll just wanted a rehash of da:o and unlike microsoft with their halo 5 with now jetpacks or w.e bioware went a little more creative and made the game better on the console where lets face it a lot of people play on now of days, also at the visuals i play on very high with high quality texture enabled the game looks fine looks as good as any other game out there, although the city art style isn't all that interesting.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
March 10 2011 17:55 GMT
#622
All right, I've played for a few hours, and so far it seems like nightmare's as easy here as it was in dao, especially once you get some decent weapons. (I'm using the promotional stuff that you got for signing up for the newsletter and junk--nothing that cost money--but it's not much better than the loot I see the shops selling, so you could go with that, too.)

I've had to reload a couple times because of enemies spawning on top of me, but nothing that couldn't be fixed by watching the minimap a little more closely. I do use potions occasionally, but only occasionally.

But I definitely think the storytelling's more engaging than in dao. I'm not finding the game super satisfying, and I have plenty of little complaints, but it's been mostly fun, so that's something.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 18:14:13
March 10 2011 18:13 GMT
#623
--- Nuked ---
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
March 10 2011 18:15 GMT
#624
On March 11 2011 02:39 semantics wrote:
la la la la la everyone is now an expert on consuming games and am disappointed in all things change. You can still play the game like a tactics if you wanted on the PC at least it's possible, turn the difficulty way up and just use the pause a lot issuing commands to each character. There aren't alot of moves early on but it's not that you tend to use that many moves in turn based tactics it usually is just use the good ones. Only thing that prevents this game from playing like more traditional tactics is a lack of over head view. RPG be rpg, bioware made this more like an rpg frankly a lack of general direction in the story makes it more believable that one person can effect the story and the pull of the story isn't do dominant that you are compelled by it in the usual fantasy game manner, sure the story still revolves around you but it's not the usual every 5 mins remind everyone in the world that you are all hope crap. As far controls eh it's a console ported game by all means i've played worse want PC games to be better make the PC industry more profitable then making console games. I don't see why people are calling the game crap and such, it's a pretty decent game better then most games that come out, ya'll just wanted a rehash of da:o and unlike microsoft with their halo 5 with now jetpacks or w.e bioware went a little more creative and made the game better on the console where lets face it a lot of people play on now of days, also at the visuals i play on very high with high quality texture enabled the game looks fine looks as good as any other game out there, although the city art style isn't all that interesting.

I don't want a rehash, I just want a sequel. And your argument about how the lack of general direction in the story is a good thing is probably the second craziest thing i've ever heard in my life, behind charlie sheen.
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
Reno(TE)
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom434 Posts
March 10 2011 18:16 GMT
#625
I don't know what all the fuss is, this is a great game. No game is going to be perfect and live up to expectations. I'm about 7 hours in.
A pro isnt someone who sacrifices themselves for their job, thats just a fool.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 18:40:16
March 10 2011 18:37 GMT
#626
On March 11 2011 03:15 takingbackoj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 02:39 semantics wrote:
la la la la la everyone is now an expert on consuming games and am disappointed in all things change. You can still play the game like a tactics if you wanted on the PC at least it's possible, turn the difficulty way up and just use the pause a lot issuing commands to each character. There aren't alot of moves early on but it's not that you tend to use that many moves in turn based tactics it usually is just use the good ones. Only thing that prevents this game from playing like more traditional tactics is a lack of over head view. RPG be rpg, bioware made this more like an rpg frankly a lack of general direction in the story makes it more believable that one person can effect the story and the pull of the story isn't do dominant that you are compelled by it in the usual fantasy game manner, sure the story still revolves around you but it's not the usual every 5 mins remind everyone in the world that you are all hope crap. As far controls eh it's a console ported game by all means i've played worse want PC games to be better make the PC industry more profitable then making console games. I don't see why people are calling the game crap and such, it's a pretty decent game better then most games that come out, ya'll just wanted a rehash of da:o and unlike microsoft with their halo 5 with now jetpacks or w.e bioware went a little more creative and made the game better on the console where lets face it a lot of people play on now of days, also at the visuals i play on very high with high quality texture enabled the game looks fine looks as good as any other game out there, although the city art style isn't all that interesting.

I don't want a rehash, I just want a sequel. And your argument about how the lack of general direction in the story is a good thing is probably the second craziest thing i've ever heard in my life, behind charlie sheen.

I didn't say it was a good thing all i said is that it fits into an RPG just fine, personally i like jrpgs which are just tactics,fantasy and dungeon crawling games and aren't rpgs because it's story telling. I just was saying compared to da:o da2 is more of an rpg.
irninja
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1220 Posts
March 10 2011 19:07 GMT
#627
Ignore all the wanna-be critics. Coming from a casual sc2 player, deciding to play it because I enjoyed the original, I'm really loving the sequel.

If you loved the original, go grab it. You won't be disappointed.
If you love Rpg's in general, you won't be disappointed.
www.teamlegacy.net | MMO junkies
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
March 10 2011 19:12 GMT
#628
I'll be trying this out tonight, from the sounds of the combat and game system I'll probably just go through on casual or something, as it's not the style of combat I really enjoy (so casual means I'll faceroll the combat and just enjoy the story and such)

Overall after reading the critics, I think it'll be a passable game, but I'm still holding out on ME3 for the next bioware game I'll spend hundreds of hours in.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
March 10 2011 19:16 GMT
#629
ME3 i can't wait, i like the ME story and universe :D da follows the traditional fantasy arcs that have be told 100 times and bioware doesn't really give it a fresh take.
Mastermyth
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands207 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 19:34:22
March 10 2011 19:33 GMT
#630
On March 11 2011 04:16 semantics wrote:
ME3 i can't wait, i like the ME story and universe :D da follows the traditional fantasy arcs that have be told 100 times and bioware doesn't really give it a fresh take.


Yeah I just hope they put good effort in the game and not make it a rushed production. I want to see my choices in 1 and 2 have actual consequences (things like the Rachni, the Geth in Legion's loyalty mission etc) and not just cameo appearances. Same goes for the squadmates I spent 90% of ME2 recruiting and winning over. I'm worried that just because they can die, they're not going to have a place in the ending.

All of this means they're going to have to account for alot of possible situations and endings, as well as alot of characters. I worry that they're going to skimp on these things because they cost time and money.
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1110 Posts
March 10 2011 19:37 GMT
#631
On March 11 2011 04:16 semantics wrote:
ME3 i can't wait, i like the ME story and universe :D da follows the traditional fantasy arcs that have be told 100 times and bioware doesn't really give it a fresh take.

Pff. Combat is 100 times better in DA2 imo.

Spells and abilities are so awesome compared to just shooting stuff! :D
Playgu
CoMMoDuS
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany507 Posts
March 10 2011 19:38 GMT
#632
i only played 1 hour so far but i really like it. the graphic looks alot better than i expected and i really like the new fights.maybe it is not standart but i dont care about that as long as i get a great story which it seems to have. it might only be a small feature but all those reference to part one are really nice as well and i immediately got the good old origins feeling.
There is no unemployment amongst overlords-Artosis
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 10 2011 19:46 GMT
#633
On March 11 2011 02:55 Pyrthas wrote:
All right, I've played for a few hours, and so far it seems like nightmare's as easy here as it was in dao, especially once you get some decent weapons. (I'm using the promotional stuff that you got for signing up for the newsletter and junk--nothing that cost money--but it's not much better than the loot I see the shops selling, so you could go with that, too.)

I've had to reload a couple times because of enemies spawning on top of me, but nothing that couldn't be fixed by watching the minimap a little more closely. I do use potions occasionally, but only occasionally.

But I definitely think the storytelling's more engaging than in dao. I'm not finding the game super satisfying, and I have plenty of little complaints, but it's been mostly fun, so that's something.

From my experience the DLC items perform about as well as the best level ~10 items and start to drop off in power after the mid teens. Nightmare ramps in difficulty. It frustrates me plenty, but the main source of challenge is the extremely high health and potion usage on enemies. The most hair-pulling fight I've had so far was against a rogue boss, 3 elite rogues, a regular rogue, and an assortment of trash where all the rogues 2 shotted you and stealthed, disoriented, and potted constantly. Not to mention their several thousand hitpoints.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
March 10 2011 20:06 GMT
#634
i really want to play this game on hard, but it seems freakin impossible with a melee rogue. playing with a defensive warrior now, little better. however, i still feel mages are op, just as in dao, but i dont wanna start all over again.
KeiQQ
Profile Joined May 2010
United States113 Posts
March 10 2011 21:09 GMT
#635
On March 11 2011 04:07 irninja wrote:
Ignore all the wanna-be critics. Coming from a casual sc2 player, deciding to play it because I enjoyed the original, I'm really loving the sequel.

If you loved the original, go grab it. You won't be disappointed.
If you love Rpg's in general, you won't be disappointed.


How can you say such a bold statement? I loved the original and was fairly disappointed at the second.

Not that that's a bad thing, it's just different opinion. Simply because someone doesn't like the game, doesn't mean they're a "wanna-be critic".

Regardless of how good, or bad, a game is - people will always have different opinions on it. Don't bash those who dislike it and don't make guarantees that are impossible to uphold.
How much you wanna bet?
Bartuc
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
March 10 2011 21:25 GMT
#636
On March 11 2011 04:37 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 04:16 semantics wrote:
ME3 i can't wait, i like the ME story and universe :D da follows the traditional fantasy arcs that have be told 100 times and bioware doesn't really give it a fresh take.

Pff. Combat is 100 times better in DA2 imo.

Spells and abilities are so awesome compared to just shooting stuff! :D


I definitely agree. I played some DAO to compare, and the combat from part 1 just feel rather boring and sluggish in comparison for me.
It is a sign of strength to cry out against fate, rather than to bow one's head and succumb.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 21:36:24
March 10 2011 21:35 GMT
#637
On March 11 2011 04:37 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 04:16 semantics wrote:
ME3 i can't wait, i like the ME story and universe :D da follows the traditional fantasy arcs that have be told 100 times and bioware doesn't really give it a fresh take.

Pff. Combat is 100 times better in DA2 imo.

Spells and abilities are so awesome compared to just shooting stuff! :D

yeah but i like ME's story a whole lot better over all i just like the sci fi universe it's built on. I just hope bioware doesn't fudge the story, ME2 was good change in the mechanics felt polished but the story is pretty filler, for being about reapers it doesn't really have reapers in the story it's all about their proxy the collectors. Consequently i don't care for DA's story and universe at all.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
March 10 2011 22:13 GMT
#638
In europe it's becoming available on steam in like, less than two hours now. Pre-loaded and can't wait.

I played the demo, and I know it's just a demo, but the combat was like DA:O but way, way more fun. I'd always thought that was DA:Os problem, the combat didn't quite feel right. This feels like they've put a lot of effort into it. Anticipation levels too high.

Can. Not. Wait.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 22:16:54
March 10 2011 22:15 GMT
#639
On March 10 2011 15:48 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 15:26 Sadistx wrote:...

And it doesn't need to be as good as them to be considered good. You don't need to play them to have an opinion about a new game. Don't act all arrogant and great because you've played those games.

Judge each game on what it gives you, not what it's like compared to others. It's the game experience that matters, not whether it succeeds to fails compared to other games. These discussions piss me so much. People arguing about games that they've played based on their opinions. Get a reality check; it's opinion, not fact. You can't argue it, and you certainly can't tell people their opinion is wrong.

Go ahead, prove me wrong. Dragon Age 2 is a great game.

On a side note, I've done every quest in the game that's not in the main plot line. I think so at least.


Actually no, you have a wrong approach. The only way to tell whether a game lives up to certain standards is by comparison. Obviously if DA2 was the only RPG in existence, it might have been considered a great and innovative game.

Unfortunately for your logical fallacies, we do not live in an isolated time warp bubble, so people are allowed to compare and judge games based on the quality of their predecessors.

These discussions piss me so much. People arguing about games that they've played based on their opinions. Get a reality check; it's opinion, not fact. You can't argue it, and you certainly can't tell people their opinion is wrong.

Go ahead, prove me wrong. Dragon Age 2 is a great game.


Obviously it's going to be impossible to prove it's a bad game to someone who hasn't played better quality games, because to them it would be the best game, but that's just their logical fallacy originating from ignorance. I don't have to prove anything for DA 2 to be an objectively bad game, just by the fact of existence of games before it.

I totally understand where you're coming from, and probably suffering from being biased as with all new games. But once you beat it and look back on your experience and compare it with the classics, trust me, it will fade away into oblivion by comparison.

That said, I think DA2 is a decent game, but, as I've written in my previous post, the combat is completely unnecessary at this point, I'd rather just have it be an interactive story.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
March 10 2011 22:20 GMT
#640
On March 11 2011 06:35 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 04:37 Whalecore wrote:
On March 11 2011 04:16 semantics wrote:
ME3 i can't wait, i like the ME story and universe :D da follows the traditional fantasy arcs that have be told 100 times and bioware doesn't really give it a fresh take.

Pff. Combat is 100 times better in DA2 imo.

Spells and abilities are so awesome compared to just shooting stuff! :D

yeah but i like ME's story a whole lot better over all i just like the sci fi universe it's built on. I just hope bioware doesn't fudge the story, ME2 was good change in the mechanics felt polished but the story is pretty filler, for being about reapers it doesn't really have reapers in the story it's all about their proxy the collectors. Consequently i don't care for DA's story and universe at all.



I read quite often people saying they preferred MEs story to ME2s. It always surprises me as I really felt ME2s story was far superior. The characters were far more developed, scenes were just better produced (both voice acting and things like body language), the plot was great.

ME2 had some really chilling moments too, remember Jacob's loyalty mission? Now that was true horror. Proper chilling horror, not just throwing gore around, but something terrible about the human psyche.

I think a lot of people say this because in ME1 there was a lot of discovery about the whole mass effect universe to be done. By ME2, that universe was already well defined, so there was perhaps less of a sense of discovery, but the actual plot and story were better.

Just my opinion.
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