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tonight
United States11130 Posts
On September 24 2010 17:08 Pacifist wrote: I just traded kevin walter and ahmad bradshaw for shonn greene and hakeem nicks. What do you guys think? Who are your other backs? Green isn't going to produce for you, but Nicks is a good WR2 or 3 | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On September 24 2010 18:22 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: I think there's more potential in Nicks than Walter, but Greene is looking awful so far this year. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81ac6327/article/bills-a-joke-its-motivation-for-whitner-ahead-of-pats-clash?module=HP_headlines I think this is funny and sad at the same time. I feel bad for the like... four good players that Buffalo actually has. They have fallen far from their glory days of the early nineties. I use to think of those Bills as a good team with bad luck, until the mid 90s Cowboys came out and said that they were too crazy and wild. When you got the 90s Cowboys saying you were too wild and crazy, you got focus issues. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
On September 24 2010 13:22 DannyJ wrote: What do you guys think about brandon jackson. I was offered him for Jay Cutler ( i already have Brady as my starter). Jackson isnt really a full time back and splits alot of carries. I guess he's a good flex, and on one of the most potent offenses, but i don't know. He's also been injured alot in his career. I personally would rather roll the dice that my QB won't die than have two starter-level QBs. Everyone's different on this. Cutler is definitely worth more from a pure scoring standpoint, but I don't know if you'd get much more for him. Ask for another WR or something minor with potential to blow up later. On September 24 2010 17:08 Pacifist wrote: I just traded kevin walter and ahmad bradshaw for shonn greene and hakeem nicks. What do you guys think? assuming you're stronger at RB than WR, it's good. Definitely fair though | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On September 24 2010 22:19 Hawk wrote: I personally would rather roll the dice that my QB won't die than have two starter-level QBs. Everyone's different on this. Cutler is definitely worth more from a pure scoring standpoint, but I don't know if you'd get much more for him. Ask for another WR or something minor with potential to blow up later. assuming you're stronger at RB than WR, it's good. Definitely fair though Danny... I normally think Hawk is good, but that is horrible advice. You're getting an absolute shit HB for Cutler. Cutler is, if nothing else, worth more than that in a trade. I'd hold Cutler for another couple of weeks at least. His value is going to continue to go up, and you could probably pull more when someone else's QB isn't doing well. And if you can't, then you're holding off a player that will likely be one of the higher scoring QB's. So while you're not necessarily adding to a weak point of your team, you could potentially ruin someone else's season. Besides that, you want Cutler for week 5 when Brady is off, and he gets Carolina. I'd sit on him a bit longer, no doubt. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
This is really a situation though where it's hard to speculate without scoring information, your roster and the size of the league. Probably also his roster as well. I do agree with waiting another week or so, maybe even until you get past Brady's bye. Again, this kind of depends on the above criteria. You get a useful guy in another position and there's someone halfway decent on waivers to fill in for Brady, you might go about this differently. On that note, SL, I read something this year in SI's guide about drafting starters with all the same bye weeks. The logic being that you concede one week to be at full strength the others. It just struck me as wayyy, wayy too limiting. You ever try something like that?? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 25 2010 00:22 Hawk wrote: hehe, you really think Cutler is gonna be that high?? I like him, I don't like anything else on that offense. I personally think he'll fall between 10-15 for QBs. Unless you're in a 14+ league, backups really don't have much value unless there's an injury or something unexpected. For the last two years, I drafted a backup fairly high just for tradebait and it never ever worked. You're basically praying for something like Brady blowing out his knee in week one, or someone like Cutler going from a 20TD-20INT guy to go to a 30TD 12INT trend very early in the season. This is really a situation though where it's hard to speculate without scoring information, your roster and the size of the league. Probably also his roster as well. I do agree with waiting another week or so, maybe even until you get past Brady's bye. Again, this kind of depends on the above criteria. You get a useful guy in another position and there's someone halfway decent on waivers to fill in for Brady, you might go about this differently. On that note, SL, I read something this year in SI's guide about drafting starters with all the same bye weeks. The logic being that you concede one week to be at full strength the others. It just struck me as wayyy, wayy too limiting. You ever try something like that?? In the past because of my tendency to have LT/Gates I'd always be forced to concede that week. I think one year the Texans and the Chargers had the same bye week (or maybe it was Cowboys Chargers) and I said f it I'm scoring 0 points this week and drafted everything into that bye week when possible. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On September 25 2010 00:22 Hawk wrote: hehe, you really think Cutler is gonna be that high?? I like him, I don't like anything else on that offense. I personally think he'll fall between 10-15 for QBs. Unless you're in a 14+ league, backups really don't have much value unless there's an injury or something unexpected. For the last two years, I drafted a backup fairly high just for tradebait and it never ever worked. You're basically praying for something like Brady blowing out his knee in week one, or someone like Cutler going from a 20TD-20INT guy to go to a 30TD 12INT trend very early in the season. This is really a situation though where it's hard to speculate without scoring information, your roster and the size of the league. Probably also his roster as well. I do agree with waiting another week or so, maybe even until you get past Brady's bye. Again, this kind of depends on the above criteria. You get a useful guy in another position and there's someone halfway decent on waivers to fill in for Brady, you might go about this differently. On that note, SL, I read something this year in SI's guide about drafting starters with all the same bye weeks. The logic being that you concede one week to be at full strength the others. It just struck me as wayyy, wayy too limiting. You ever try something like that?? I've never drafted a team with all the same bye weeks, but I've had my big three producers on the bye all at the same time. It makes sense, really. You say fuck it for one week, and don't need to worry about losing a big time player in a tough game. So you'll never say "FUUUU if only AJ played this week I would have won!" Sometimes you get lucky with your scrubs too. I tend to draft and ignore the bye weeks. It's one of the last things I consider when drafting, until I start looking at my backups. At the same time, you don't want to be too careless and draft like both WR's same bye, but different than HB's, etc. But actually planning to get guys all on the same bye seems like it would be so difficult to do. You'd have to perfectly guess what players are going to fall where, and probably lose value somewhere to meet your ridiculous bye-week needs. | ||
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On September 25 2010 00:41 Rho_ wrote: I cannot trade for a running back for the life of me. I'm shopping Greg Jennings for anyone with a pulse, but no one will bite! Wtf. I wouldn't take Jennings for any of my HB's, even if I weren't stacked at the WR position. He's not worth it. He gets 1000 yds/year, sure, but he only scores 4TD's. He's really fallen to a tier 2 WR, imo. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Vick's Doggy Daycare FavreLoves TightEnds VIX trades Beanie Wells, Ari RB to TightEnds VIX trades Tim Hightower, Ari RB to TightEnds COCK trades Steve Breaston, Ari WR to Doggy Daycare COCK trades Mario Manningham, NYG WR to Doggy Daycare What is this I don't even... Jennings is kinda underwhelming at the moment, what sort of RBs have you been trying to get? | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
Actually, I misread FavreLoves Tightends to be "FavreLoves cock," because of the COCK to w/e. | ||
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carpola
United States168 Posts
What do you guys think? | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:13 carpola wrote: Turner (groin) or DeAngelo Williams this week? Turner could've seriously produced last week, but didn't need to exacerbate the injury. He will probably give a fair amount of touches to Snelling. With a new quarterback starting for Carolina and a good pass defense in Cincinnati, Williams seems like a slight favorite. What do you guys think? Ugh, I hate that decision. I feel like it's a cointoss. Last week seemed perfect for DWill, because TB sucks, and he and JStew laid another couple eggs for everyone. On the other hand, you're probably right about Snelling stealing carries this week. I'd probably go Turner, and not feel good about it at all, but I could say the same about DWill... there's no clear cut winner here, imo. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
I'll summarize. I think the Bears pass rush will get to Rodgers. Jennings effectiveness is limited by the lack of a good line in GB, because his effectiveness comes mainly from long throws. I've said a ton about Collie this week, and Indy ripping up Denver's D. I haven't heard the injury reports yet, but even if Bailey and Goodman play, they aren't 100%, and those Indy WR's are. Denver is going to get mauled, I think. Nicks is enticing... very enticing. He's clearly becoming Eli's big play guy. He's tall, he can jump, and he's got a big body.. he's kinda like B-Marsh, or AJ, or Fitz, but not quite on their level. I agree with that move. I thought Fitz had a nice MU this week, but he actually will be covered by Nnamdi all day. I think the choice is pretty clear in who to play between the two in that case. Although, my choice would have come down to Jennings or Fitz. I'd play Jennings on CB MU alone. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Should I stick with the Packers defense vs. the Bears? Or should I go for the Titans against the Giants? Seems like anything can happen in the Packers vs. Bears match, and Giants oline is terrible so Tennessee might be able to take advantage. I don't know though. Packers are so good. Clay Matthews might make Jay Cutler's night a living hell. Ahhh. | ||
GTR
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
1) I've been compiling some numbers to attempt to help my picks - which so far are 14/32, which is terrible. I've now got two weeks of numbers, and they rank the teams as follows: + Show Spoiler [Rank] + 1. Green Bay Packers 2. Atlanta Falcons 3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4. San Diego Chargers 5. New York Jets 6. Pittsburgh Steelers 7. Indianapolis Colts 8. Kansas City Chiefs 9. Miami Dolphins 9. Denver Broncos 11. Washington Redskins 11. Seattle Seahawks 13. Chicago Bears 14. New Orleans Saints 14. Tennessee Titans 16. New England Patriots 17. St Louis Rams 18. Houston Texans 18. Philadelphia Eagles 20. Detroit Lions 21. Baltimore Ravens 22. Cleveland Browns 23. Cincinnati Bengals 24. New York Giants 25. Minnesota Vikings 26. Dallas Cowboys 27. Oakland Raiders 28. Jacksonville Jaguars 29. Carolina Panthers 29. Buffalo Bills 31. San Francisco 49ers 32. Arizona Cardinals I don't have any numbers for my system to attempt to adjust for last season, so a couple things have ended up screwy: - Tampa Bay is in no way the #3 team in the league. Games against Cleveland and Carolina just make them lucky, and that ranking is riding the defense. - Kansas City and Miami may or may not be that good, and are also defense-driven - New England is suffering from a defense which has exactly two takeaways so far, and faced the garbage-time-Bengals and good-Jets offense. Whether they improve will say a lot for them. The Texans similarly have absolutely no defense, despite their 2-0 record at the moment. - St Louis is probably too high (they haven't won a game), while the Giants, Cowboys, and maybe Vikings are too low. - I'd like to think the Jags are better than 28th - but I'm not convinced. 2) This week's games: Tennessee Titans at New York Giants -- Coming into the season, I'd have said the Titans were the better team, and I still think that. I don't think the Giants can stop anybody, they've given the ball away eight times in two games, and they don't capitalize on the turnovers they force. Cincinnati Bengals at Carolina Panthers -- Cinci's not living up to their billing, but Carolina has imploded. You get beat up by the Giants, fine - but Tampa? The wild card is that this is really the Panther's last shot at a statement game: 0-3 and their season's hosed, what with New Orleans, Atlanta, and (apparently?) Tampa in the division. Pittsburgh Steelers at Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- I'm going against my current numbers on this one, because Pittsburgh has played a contender, a pretender, and is 2-0. Tampa's also 2-0, but they've faced Mangini and Moore. Buffalo Bills at New England Patriots -- New England's new-fangled "fail defense" will make this one more exciting than it ought to be, but that's about it. Cleveland Browns at Baltimore Ravens -- My composite rank puts Cleveland first by 1 place, but offense-versus-defense - not to mention common sense and that fact that Cleveland's 0-2 against... I've already forgotten who they played last week. Right! Kansas City! San Francisco 49ers at Kansas City -- And speaking of strange 2-0 teams, here we go. The Chiefs' strength is the defense - and not turning the ball over. It's the only thing they're any good at on offense. SanFran, meanwhile, keeps shooting themselves in the foot. If the over/under on points is 20, take the under. Dallas Cowboys at Houston Texans -- Hey, it's the Texas Bowl, and hopefully more exciting than Texas' beatdown of TT was. Dallas' defense is apparently getting worse by the week, but then so is Houston's. I'm taking the newer franchise, since they've won a couple games and actually look like contenders this year. Detroit Lions at Minnesota Vikings -- Home team whoo! Actual reasons this might happen: Favre throws another sixty billion interceptions, gets yanked for Tavaris Jackson... actually, keep Brett in, Childress might Atlanta Falcons at New Orleans Saints -- Atlanta is the team playing like they won a championship; New Orleans has won two games by what, seven points total? Against a bad and a competent team? Whereas the Falcons shellacked Arizona and took Pittsburgh to OT. Washington Redskins at St Louis Rams -- St Louis is playing well enough that they ought to get a win eventu- wait. Never mind. Close losses to the Cards and Raiders are bad news. McNabb gets to torch another defense. Philadelphia Eagles at Jacksonville Jaguars -- I think we see a lot of total points, but Philadelphia should walk away with this one. Unless we get AwesomeJags again like we did the first week. I don't have a good read on either team. Indianapolis Colts at Denver Broncos -- Should be another good game with lots of fireworks, but Manning has beaten the Broncos... uh, repeatedly. I think. Oakland Raiders at Arizona Cardinals -- Despite their win, everything indicates Arizona may be the worst team in the league this year (unless it's Cleveland or Carolina). It's not like Oakland is good, but they're not that horrible. Maybe. San Diego Chargers at Seattle Seahawks -- Lost in the destruction of Jacksonville was that fact that the Chargers turned it over three more times to start the game. This is largely an academic note, since the 'Hawks gave it away four times. I predict another messy, but fairly easy, win for the Chargers. New York Jets at Miami Dolphins -- It depends on which Sanchez we get, and it does look like Miami has a defense. This could go either way, but right now the Jets look better. I think. Green Bay Packers at Chicago Bears -- The Bears are actually pretty good, or at least better than a lot of people thought they'd be, but the Packers look very very good. (Then again, Buffalo does that to people.) Relatively close wins against Detroit and Dallas haven't convinced me that Chicago can pull the upset here. I'm sure I'll get some of these wrong - I'm only predicting four home teams to win. | ||
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