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setzer
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LINKDotA
Denmark31 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On January 04 2011 13:07 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Well, yeah, but Robinson just left this year. Their secondary could use some help, but their front seven is so talented that it can overcome the deficiencies of the secondary. You can have a minor weakness in the defense, and overcome it with a great front seven. The Bears have a bad secondary, overall, but they're a top five defense because they have a great front seven this year, and they're excellent in the RZ. I think that the Texans defense could operate very similarly to the Bears. If they could get a 3-technique they'd be ideal for a C2 scheme. GL finding a good 3-technique though. You don't need an amazing 3-technique for a defense like the Bears. Heck, Chicago hasn't had a great one for several years now (pretty much ever since Tommie Harris got hurt in 2007). All you need is someone who can give you consistent push up the middle and draw a double team. Chicago's secondary isn't great, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as Houston's from what I've seen, though I admit I've only seen 1 Houston game this season. Either way, you just need a way to get consistent pressure with your D-line and a group of fast linebackers to run Chicago's system. Regardless, I think Houston goes CB with their #1 pick this year unless there is a huge run on them. There is a lot of talent at that position this year and Houston could sure use a big playmaker at that position. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
On January 04 2011 10:56 Cryogenic wrote: I'm glad to see some Falcons fans here because I too am a Falcons fan. I'm also glad nobody (really) is complaining about the 7-9 Seahawks getting a playoff home game seeing as we had the #1 Offense and Defense miss the playoffs (Chargers), a team that swept their division and didn't make it (Raiders) and two 10-6 teams not make it (Giants and Bucs). We have to remember he won a Super Bowl not too long ago and before that win his demeanor to his fellow coached ans players made him unpopular in the locker room. They are making the playoffs next year for sure. He almost got fired that season for being that bad. Eli went on an amazing three game streak where he played like his brother and hasn't been able to repeat that late in the season/playoffs again. It was a fluke but a championship is a championship. And considering what SL said, you gave the very reason to fire him: a talented underachieving team. He needs to go. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On January 05 2011 07:30 Dknight wrote: He almost got fired that season for being that bad. Eli went on an amazing three game streak where he played like his brother and hasn't been able to repeat that late in the season/playoffs again. It was a fluke but a championship is a championship. And considering what SL said, you gave the very reason to fire him: a talented underachieving team. He needs to go. Well it's worse than that. He has lost the locker room more than once. When the players stop listening to the coach, either the coach needs to go or the players need to go. In this case, it sure looks to me like the coach needs to go. This season would have turned out so much worse for them if Fewell hadn't saved them in the middle of the season. If Fewell goes off to become a head coach somewhere, the drama surrounding the Giants next year should be interesting. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On January 05 2011 07:30 Dknight wrote: He almost got fired that season for being that bad. Eli went on an amazing three game streak where he played like his brother and hasn't been able to repeat that late in the season/playoffs again. It was a fluke but a championship is a championship. And considering what SL said, you gave the very reason to fire him: a talented underachieving team. He needs to go. Let's blame the players for once. Eli screwed up in crucial situations and played like garbage for the majority of the season. Most of the blame should be placed on him, not the coach. | ||
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GaryBrackett
Bulgaria106 Posts
10-6 is a decent record for the calibre of Talent on their team. Should have been 11-5 if they didnt collapse at the Meadowlands to the Eagles. The Giants are hardly a star studded team. No individuals really stand out on either sides of the ball as top 3 of their position in the NFL | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On January 05 2011 07:43 GaryBrackett wrote: Coughlin is a very good coach. 10-6 is a decent record for the calibre of Talent on their team. Should have been 11-5 if they didnt collapse at the Meadowlands to the Eagles. The Giants are hardly a star studded team. No individuals really stand out on either sides of the ball as top 3 of their position in the NFL Not even anyone on their defensive line? | ||
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GaryBrackett
Bulgaria106 Posts
Also they get alot of their sacks from some 15 sack game v the bears XD | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14900 Posts
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Cryogenic
Canada75 Posts
On January 05 2011 08:03 KOFgokuon wrote: .......... http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnJ_6O3Fy7cqgiHJShYyx_tDubYF?slug=ap-bengals-lewis Blind leading the blind here. I saw the story on PTI today and was shocked. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
On January 05 2011 07:43 GaryBrackett wrote: Coughlin is a very good coach. 10-6 is a decent record for the calibre of Talent on their team. Should have been 11-5 if they didnt collapse at the Meadowlands to the Eagles. The Giants are hardly a star studded team. No individuals really stand out on either sides of the ball as top 3 of their position in the NFL What There's like at least three ends on that team that are starters on just about any other team in the league. That Dline is insane and while the LB/DB are probably nothing more than slightly above average, that pass rush makes them real dangerous. The Oline, after starting shaky, was back to its solid self. As individuals, the backs are probably not all that hot, but as a tandem, Bradshaw/Jacobs is near the top. Eli also got a lot of picks this season as the injuries mounted and he started throwing to back ups of back ups. Michael Clayton had a fucking job this season because of injuries. With a full roster on offense, the giants have the talent to finesse you, bowl through you, dink and duck you, or just whip it around the field. Smith-Nicks-Mario is a WR core teams would kill for. Defensively, that line allows them to just about anything as well. The bottom line is that the talent has been there, but the coaches don't know how to put the team in a spot to succeed. Coughlin is absolutely lost every time the original came plan he come in with gets stuffed. The giants, with that line and the rest of the D, should have been able to contain vick but the playcalling sucked ass. | ||
GTR
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On January 05 2011 07:22 Ferrose wrote: Houston NEEDS to take a CB. They could take one with their number one pick, and with all the CB prospects in the draft, probably the second pick. yeh. kareem jackson is rubbish compared to devin mccourty or even javier arenas. i guess that might be attributed to how they are being coached though. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 05 2011 07:13 Qatol wrote: You don't need an amazing 3-technique for a defense like the Bears. Heck, Chicago hasn't had a great one for several years now (pretty much ever since Tommie Harris got hurt in 2007). All you need is someone who can give you consistent push up the middle and draw a double team. Chicago's secondary isn't great, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as Houston's from what I've seen, though I admit I've only seen 1 Houston game this season. Either way, you just need a way to get consistent pressure with your D-line and a group of fast linebackers to run Chicago's system. Regardless, I think Houston goes CB with their #1 pick this year unless there is a huge run on them. There is a lot of talent at that position this year and Houston could sure use a big playmaker at that position. The 3-technique is the guy that gives the push up the middle. You don't need Suh, necessarily, but it's nice to get more push than Tommie Harris. A great 3-tech is the staple of a C2 scheme. Think Sapp in Tampa Bay. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 05 2011 08:35 Hawk wrote: What There's like at least three ends on that team that are starters on just about any other team in the league. That Dline is insane and while the LB/DB are probably nothing more than slightly above average, that pass rush makes them real dangerous. The Oline, after starting shaky, was back to its solid self. As individuals, the backs are probably not all that hot, but as a tandem, Bradshaw/Jacobs is near the top. Eli also got a lot of picks this season as the injuries mounted and he started throwing to back ups of back ups. Michael Clayton had a fucking job this season because of injuries. With a full roster on offense, the giants have the talent to finesse you, bowl through you, dink and duck you, or just whip it around the field. Smith-Nicks-Mario is a WR core teams would kill for. Defensively, that line allows them to just about anything as well. The bottom line is that the talent has been there, but the coaches don't know how to put the team in a spot to succeed. Coughlin is absolutely lost every time the original came plan he come in with gets stuffed. The giants, with that line and the rest of the D, should have been able to contain vick but the playcalling sucked ass. Yeah, Hawk is definitely right. They don't have AJ at WR, but they three WR's are good enough to murder your team. They don't have AP, but the duo is great. Eli kinda sucks, but his OLine keeps him upright for long enough to find an open guy in most situations. Their D--while somewhat lacking in secondary (although they have some decent talent there, it's just not a top 5 or anything), and the LB's leave something to be desired--fields one of the most dangerous D lines in the league. This should be a perennial contender in the NFC, instead, they're regularly missing the playoffs. I would not have picked up an option for Coughlin this year, but with the impending lock out, I wouldn't have dropped him either if he had 1 year left on his deal. Marv Lewis... I can't believe that sack of shit has a job still. On January 05 2011 08:42 GTR wrote: yeh. kareem jackson is rubbish compared to devin mccourty or even javier arenas. i guess that might be attributed to how they are being coached though. I think it's really hard to tell how good their talent is right now. Demeaco (SP) Ryans, Brian Cushing, and Mario Williams looked average this season, but we all know they're three of the top players at their positions. With a better scheme, and better overall coaching on technique, etc, I think we'll see a much better defense. I'm not sure how much blame Kubiak should absorb for their season, except that he should have made the change a lot sooner. | ||
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GaryBrackett
Bulgaria106 Posts
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Ferrose
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setzer
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
They do have a pretty solid secondary and Clay Matthews makes pretty much everyone around him look 10x better. That and the QB play are the only legs up they have. But again, McCarthy is a much better all around coach. His players actually respect him and he seems to have a better overall grasp of everything at this stage... his offense is certainly run much fucking better, that's for sure. Good ocoord has good qb and you get results. Coughlin either doesnt have the balls or doesnt think something is wrong when his coord calls in a fucking sweep or dumb outside run with Brandon Jacobs But go back to the respect thing. If you watch any giant games, you knoww hat I'm talking about. WHen he gets mad, people look the other way, dont pay attention. The giants regularly take absolutely retarded, selfish penalties. Remember before Wade got canned and the Boys got hit with a dumb celebration penalty? And the very next week came out with a fucking preplanned Texas salute with Roy and Austin? While not as egregious as that, that's the kind of shit that regularly happens with the Giants. | ||
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