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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
On January 01 2011 08:33 Aquafresh wrote: Um yes we are in agreement then? Unless you were responding to the guy above me? Also spygate was taping in game signalsduring the regular season over several years. The pre superbowl rams walk-through thing never actually happened. It was a rumor and a non denial from a former camera man that a shitty Boston newspaper ran with to get a story out during super bowl media blitz. Nothing really came of it. Yes, I agree that a draft pick would be a bit much for the tripping incident. There's no place in the game for it but it's not "take away a draft pick bad". | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
On January 01 2011 08:28 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Marvin Lewis needs to be fired. How many terrible seasons, with successful ones sprinkled about the wreckage, can you allow a guy to have? He's an absolutely awful head coach, he should have been fired years ago. Del Rio is on the hot seat too. He's another bad coach that needs to go. I don't think the Jaguars are a particularly talented team, but his coaching doesn't particularly help them either. He's another guy that seems to be stuck in the 80's with his offensive philosophy. Run the ball down their throats and play tough defense. That's nice to reminisce on, but you can't do that in the NFL anymore, not the way he does it. You certainly can't do it when your defense is bad. Kubiak is on the hot seat as well. There's a guy that needs to be fired. We're talking about one of the most talent stacked rosters in the entire NFL, and this guy can't produce a SINGLE winning season! His offensive philosophy is clearly one of the best in the league, as showcased by their consistently high offensive standings, especially passing; they've also been able to run the ball two out of the last three years, with a good deal of effectiveness. The problem is his defensive philosophy. When you have three star players, each at key positions, there is no reason to not have a dominant defense. Mario Williams is a stud, Clay Matthews, Demeco Ryans, and they had Dunta Robinson and where was the defense? Middle of the road. With a roster like that, there's no reason that defense wasn't top five. There's hardly a reason they've never made the playoffs. Winning that division is one of the hardest things to do in the NFL, with Manning and the Colts reigning over it, but not even making a wild card? Even if they lose both games to Indy every year, there are still fourteen other games to get a wild card with! I think it's time to say "no more excuses for this team," and make the change. They're in perfect position to do so, as the team is still young, so aging players are not a very big concern for them. Mangini is another guy that needs to be fired. He hasn't performed with Cleveland, which isn't entirely his fault, but he's still an idiot. Norv Turner is another guy in the position of Gary Kubiak. How has this team not seen an AFC Championship in so long? How are they so ill-prepared at the beginning of every single season? For the past five years they were given a practical auto-berth into the playoffs, and they still had great difficulty making it. That roster has far too much talent to allow Turner to keep ruining it. He's a brilliant offensive mind, like Kubiak, but a head coach he is not. Agree with this 100%, but in Cincinnatti the issues go beyond Marvin Lewis. Can't blame him for all the patheticness when your general manager keeps dropping players with "character issues" in your lap. The GM needs to take more responsibility and be more selective of the players he brings in. Edit: Clay Matthews isn't on the Texans team. He's with the Packers. Not sure if you meant someone else there ![]() | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On January 01 2011 09:09 DannyJ wrote: Uh, i dont think anyone could possibly argue that tripping people on the sideline is part of the game. Maybe they are referring to the part where that coach is alleged to tell his players to make walls or something? This dude on TV was like "In the 50s there was this time where a guy came from the sidelines and tackled a punt returner" and "It was hilarious and this is just part of the game, get over it" or something like that. I will never listen to another word that guy says -_- And I kind of hope that a 7-9 team gets to host a playoff game. Maybe it would get the NFL to base seeding on record, instead of who won a division. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On January 01 2011 11:18 Ferrose wrote: This dude on TV was like "In the 50s there was this time where a guy came from the sidelines and tackled a punt returner" and "It was hilarious and this is just part of the game, get over it" or something like that. I will never listen to another word that guy says -_- And I kind of hope that a 7-9 team gets to host a playoff game. Maybe it would get the NFL to base seeding on record, instead of who won a division. Haha it sounds like something a mildly inebriated Ditka would say. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On January 01 2011 11:37 DannyJ wrote: Haha it sounds like something a mildly inebriated Ditka would say. It was Michael Wilbon. I'm wondering if he was inebriated myself. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On January 01 2011 11:15 AuThENTiC wrote: Yes, I agree that a draft pick would be a bit much for the tripping incident. There's no place in the game for it but it's not "take away a draft pick bad". I'm just going to address all of these replies at once since they're neatly quoted here. Why is a draft pick a bit much? I'm not necessarily saying they should take away a 1st rounder. Are you saying that even a 7th rounder is too much? Personally I think that taking away a draft pick is a better way to show the teams that the league means business than fining them a little pocket change (for them), especially considering this was blatant cheating. As mentioned before, Spygate was not the Super Bowl, it was week 1 of the 2007-2008 season between the Patriots and the Jets. An assistant from the Patriots was caught taping the Jets' signals from the tunnel and returned to that spot to continue taping after being asked to leave. The questions about the walkthrough before the 2001-2002 Super Bowl were never resolved. It is important to note that teams change their signals at least once per game anyways as a precaution. Anyways, Alosi was not only the strength and conditioning coach, but he was also the Jets' official "get back" coach, responsible for keeping the players away from the edge of the sidelines, which makes this even more ironic. Instead of doing his job, he gathered several players and they stood ankle to ankle on the sidelines. When Nolan Carroll was blocked towards the sidelines, Alosi sticks out his knee to take him out of the play (and injuring him at the same time). I agree that there are less questions about the legitimacy of the competition when you have an incident like this compared to a videotaping of a walkthrough. That is because those questions are answered. Instead of a potential for unfairness from videotaping signals, there was a definite unfair effect from this - Carroll was taken out of that play and suffered a knee injury. I think the only reason people haven't made a bigger deal of this is because gunner isn't a big time position. I bet if it was a kick returner forced out of bounds and tripped as he was going, it would have been treated differently. Heck, they didn't even make the Jets fire Alosi, just suspend him indefinitely. That's ridiculous. | ||
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Ferrose
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Ferrose
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DannyJ
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Ferrose
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
On January 01 2011 15:36 Ferrose wrote: Well, I think that if the team itself orchestrated it, they should get a draft pick taken away. But if it's just one guy, it should be a lesser penalty. I think there was some talk amongst players that the Jets higher ups encourage forming walls, but nothing about the tripping. 100K to the organization is sort of odd when it seems to be one guy doing his own thing, but I can accept the argument that it was done to hold them accountable for the actions of their employees. | ||
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GaryBrackett
Bulgaria106 Posts
cutler 36/38 512 yards 4 td 0 int u herd it here first | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 01 2011 11:17 AuThENTiC wrote: Agree with this 100%, but in Cincinnatti the issues go beyond Marvin Lewis. Can't blame him for all the patheticness when your general manager keeps dropping players with "character issues" in your lap. The GM needs to take more responsibility and be more selective of the players he brings in. Edit: Clay Matthews isn't on the Texans team. He's with the Packers. Not sure if you meant someone else there ![]() I meant Brian Cushing. I switch them up all the time, because they're both from USC. Qatol, you can't take a draft pick because it doesn't appear to be a decision the team was a part of, or even encouraged. That said, I think the NFL should have removed the coach themselves, since they seem to have the power to do whatever they want. I don't think he should ever be allowed back in the league. That would keep anyone from even considering something this stupid in the future. | ||
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NonY
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Pure.Calm
United Kingdom196 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On January 02 2011 03:15 Liquid`Tyler wrote: so, living in texas, im gonna get the worthless dallas/philly game instead of GB/CHI. what options do i have to watch the game i want? find a bar/restaurant that'll have it? You could go to a bar, find a friend IRL who has DirecTV Sunday Ticket, or watch on a streaming site, I'd recommend atdhe.net. | ||
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NonY
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DannyJ
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