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Ferrose
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BluFlu
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Qatol
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On December 31 2010 23:02 Hawk wrote: Heh, I hate Vick, but I just think he shouldn't have been allowed back in the league, not strapped to the chair. I'm pretty sure walling was legal as long as it was outside of that box where players can't stand?? It was just the douchebag coach who should have been kicked out of the league that should pay for that. Well the problem I have with that is the league was trying to emphasize that the teams were responsible for the actions of their employees. I don't think they get their message across very well with a relatively small fine (for a franchise) like this. I don't care so much about the walling as I do about the tripping. I think they should really follow their precedent better. In this case, the precedent was a first round draft pick and a small fine for spygate. I feel like they should have taken a pick from the Jets as well (though not necessarily a first rounder). | ||
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Aquafresh
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On January 01 2011 02:16 Qatol wrote: Well the problem I have with that is the league was trying to emphasize that the teams were responsible for the actions of their employees. I don't think they get their message across very well with a relatively small fine (for a franchise) like this. I don't care so much about the walling as I do about the tripping. I think they should really follow their precedent better. In this case, the precedent was a first round draft pick and a small fine for spygate. I feel like they should have taken a pick from the Jets as well (though not necessarily a first rounder). Er I think a draft pick is a bit much. I thought a first rounder was harsh for the Patriots but it was at least within reason. The 49ers and Broncos were penalized a 3rd, and 5th for cheating on the cap under Tagliabue. Goodell has been tougher on all infractions so a higher pick is expected for spygate, but for this tripping thing was not on the same level as what the Pats, 49ers, and Broncos did. Yeah it's more arguably more douchebaggy to trip a guy and potentially end his career than to tape signals or cheat on the cap, but it doesn't add questions about the legitimacy of competition, which is the set precedent for draft pick penalties. | ||
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DannyJ
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Ferrose
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BluFlu
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Wade Phillips Brad Childress John Fox Mike Singulatary Josh Mcdaniels dude off the bengals think like marlin brown this year has been crazy | ||
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Ferrose
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GTR
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On January 01 2011 07:25 Ferrose wrote: If they take away a draft pick, who the hell do they give it to? no one, they skip it and they go to the next pick. | ||
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NKexquisite
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GTR
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at least it would be better than denver. he won't have complete power to do the dumbest things possible. | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
On January 01 2011 02:51 Aquafresh wrote: Er I think a draft pick is a bit much. I thought a first rounder was harsh for the Patriots but it was at least within reason. The 49ers and Broncos were penalized a 3rd, and 5th for cheating on the cap under Tagliabue. Goodell has been tougher on all infractions so a higher pick is expected for spygate, but for this tripping thing was not on the same level as what the Pats, 49ers, and Broncos did. Yeah it's more arguably more douchebaggy to trip a guy and potentially end his career than to tape signals or cheat on the cap, but it doesn't add questions about the legitimacy of competition, which is the set precedent for draft pick penalties. Spygate was a much bigger offense than tripping a guy on a punt. Spygate was spying a team before the SUPER BOWL! Much bigger deal than a meaningless Jets/Dolphins regular season game with no real implications. The tripping is a "big deal" and deserves a punishment, but not a punishment on the same level as spygate. | ||
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DannyJ
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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Del Rio is on the hot seat too. He's another bad coach that needs to go. I don't think the Jaguars are a particularly talented team, but his coaching doesn't particularly help them either. He's another guy that seems to be stuck in the 80's with his offensive philosophy. Run the ball down their throats and play tough defense. That's nice to reminisce on, but you can't do that in the NFL anymore, not the way he does it. You certainly can't do it when your defense is bad. Kubiak is on the hot seat as well. There's a guy that needs to be fired. We're talking about one of the most talent stacked rosters in the entire NFL, and this guy can't produce a SINGLE winning season! His offensive philosophy is clearly one of the best in the league, as showcased by their consistently high offensive standings, especially passing; they've also been able to run the ball two out of the last three years, with a good deal of effectiveness. The problem is his defensive philosophy. When you have three star players, each at key positions, there is no reason to not have a dominant defense. Mario Williams is a stud, Clay Matthews, Demeco Ryans, and they had Dunta Robinson and where was the defense? Middle of the road. With a roster like that, there's no reason that defense wasn't top five. There's hardly a reason they've never made the playoffs. Winning that division is one of the hardest things to do in the NFL, with Manning and the Colts reigning over it, but not even making a wild card? Even if they lose both games to Indy every year, there are still fourteen other games to get a wild card with! I think it's time to say "no more excuses for this team," and make the change. They're in perfect position to do so, as the team is still young, so aging players are not a very big concern for them. Mangini is another guy that needs to be fired. He hasn't performed with Cleveland, which isn't entirely his fault, but he's still an idiot. Norv Turner is another guy in the position of Gary Kubiak. How has this team not seen an AFC Championship in so long? How are they so ill-prepared at the beginning of every single season? For the past five years they were given a practical auto-berth into the playoffs, and they still had great difficulty making it. That roster has far too much talent to allow Turner to keep ruining it. He's a brilliant offensive mind, like Kubiak, but a head coach he is not. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On January 01 2011 08:21 GTR wrote: wouldn't it be cruel if mcdaniels came in to replace weis =[ at least it would be better than denver. he won't have complete power to do the dumbest things possible. Why would that be cruel? It'd be great for Josh, because he'd have a job again. And it'd be great for KC, because he runs such a similar--almost identical--system. On January 01 2011 08:23 AuThENTiC wrote: Spygate was a much bigger offense than tripping a guy on a punt. Spygate was spying a team before the SUPER BOWL! Much bigger deal than a meaningless Jets/Dolphins regular season game with no real implications. The tripping is a "big deal" and deserves a punishment, but not a punishment on the same level as spygate. Yeah, it's not even close to comparable. I don't think that it was encouraged by the team, either, so I don't see the sense in fining the franchise an incredible amount of money either. I think the guy probably should have been fired, and maybe barred from the league. That's dangerous, stupid, and creates a bad competitive atmosphere. | ||
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
On January 01 2011 08:23 AuThENTiC wrote: Spygate was a much bigger offense than tripping a guy on a punt. Spygate was spying a team before the SUPER BOWL! Much bigger deal than a meaningless Jets/Dolphins regular season game with no real implications. The tripping is a "big deal" and deserves a punishment, but not a punishment on the same level as spygate. Um yes we are in agreement then? Unless you were responding to the guy above me? Also spygate was taping in game signalsduring the regular season over several years. The pre superbowl rams walk-through thing never actually happened. It was a rumor and a non denial from a former camera man that a shitty Boston newspaper ran with to get a story out during super bowl media blitz. Nothing really came of it. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On January 01 2011 08:32 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Why would that be cruel? It'd be great for Josh, because he'd have a job again. And it'd be great for KC, because he runs such a similar--almost identical--system. Yeah, it's not even close to comparable. I don't think that it was encouraged by the team, either, so I don't see the sense in fining the franchise an incredible amount of money either. I think the guy probably should have been fired, and maybe barred from the league. That's dangerous, stupid, and creates a bad competitive atmosphere. Some people actually think that the trip is okay because it's "part of the game." >.< | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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DannyJ
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DannyJ
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Has a below 500 team ever even MADE the playoffs before? | ||
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