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m4inbrain
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
(Motivated by the tiger talk) Also, just got the Tiger H, and I quite like it just because of it's high pen values, which I rate highly as important. However, is the Tiger II tank a significant improvement? | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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Mrbustanut
121 Posts
On June 04 2013 06:37 Zealos wrote: Best tank for each tier go. (Motivated by the tiger talk) Also, just got the Tiger H, and I quite like it just because of it's high pen values, which I rate highly as important. However, is the Tiger II tank a significant improvement? Heavy tank, medium, TD? For heavy's this would be my list starting at tier 6 Tier 6: KV1-S The amount of alpha for this tier is absurd, you can 1 hit a lot of tanks in many battles you get put into. Decent speed, ok everything else but the gun is great. Tier 7: T-29 105mm has great alpha for the tier and a turret that can bounce even tier 10 guns. Because of the great gun depression you can peak over hills and only expose your turret AKA hull down. If you stay hull down you are very hard to get out of that position...still need to be aware of arty however Tier 8: IS-6 (premium tank) I would say IS-3 as I think it is a more powerful tank but the IS-6 get preferred match making...which means you will never get thrown into a tier 10 game...that is a HUGE deal. Straight up brawler tanks, excellent frontal and side armor, just angle your front armor a little and most tanks are going to be bouncing off you while you have a huge 390 damage gun shooting every 10 seconds. Get in close and personal with this tank. The pen is a little low but if you are a decent playing you can shoot all gold and still make a decent amount of credits. Tier 9: E-75 Armored behemoth. Probably the best German tank of any line. Armor is best in class, just a little angling and you are a major thorn in the side of any tank. Still don't want to be shot by tier 10 TD's but still the armor is excellent. Ok speed, good gun but reload is a little slow. Tier 10: T57 Like to put out the damage? Look no further. The T57 gets the best of both worlds...insane burst damage as well as best in class DPM. With HEAT rounds loaded you can go through pretty much anything and the reload is only about 23 seconds. Armor is pretty troll in that the angles are severe and you get random bounces. The E5 gets a honorable mention here due to being just a great overall Tier 10 heavy but as it stands at this moment the T57 is OP. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
med m4, t34-85, t20, t69, t54, bchat td t49, m18, jgpanther, isu152, jtiger, foch(155) these are for randoms and having fun, lot of them were very close but this is my opinion after 10k games. | ||
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m4inbrain
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Also, just got the Tiger H, and I quite like it just because of it's high pen values, which I rate highly as important. However, is the Tiger II tank a significant improvement? It has some of the same flaws, being engine (transmission in front, gets destroyed almost every single hit that penetrates the lower glacis plate, which is also one of the weakspots), but in general it's a lovable tank. Not THE best Tier8, but certainly one of the better ones in its tier. Also it's an awesome tank to learn proper angling, since it bounces quite alot if you do it correct. Although that starts on Tiger H, so get dat angling going. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On June 04 2013 07:33 Zealos wrote: I just got the best gun for the KV-1S but I'm not really experiencing the firepower I had hoped for :c oO .. Did you mount it? Because when i played it, i twoshotted almost everything. I'd call that impressive firepower. | ||
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Mrbustanut
121 Posts
On June 04 2013 07:33 Zealos wrote: I just got the best gun for the KV-1S but I'm not really experiencing the firepower I had hoped for :c Do you not have the 122mm D2-5T gun mounted? Make sure you have a gun laying drive as the aim time is quite bad but I have never heard someone say the firepower is bad. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
1: MS-1, LTraktor, T1 2: nfc 3: nfc 4: nfc 5: KV-1, M4, Pz4 6: KV-1s, hellcat, vk3601h 7: IS, T29, Tiger P 8: IS3, T69, T32 9: nfc 10: T110E5, T57, Batchat On June 04 2013 07:33 Zealos wrote: I just got the best gun for the KV-1S but I'm not really experiencing the firepower I had hoped for :c If playing the KV-1s hasn't caused you to physically react when seeing another KV-1s with the 122 pointing at you, you have to be doing something wrong. KV-1s is one of the only tanks with a gun powerful enough to two shot any tank of it's own tier. It's equivalent to a tier 10 tank with 1000 alpha damage. | ||
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
On June 04 2013 06:00 rd wrote: Not really, it's fairly sub-par. It's gun has great penetration and accuracy and thats pretty much it. It's alpha damage is among the worst of the tier, and it's slightly higher DPM scarcely justifies it. Vast majority of tier 7 guns penetrate the Tiger H -anywhere- without really having to aim. A lot of tier 6 guns and even some tier 5 have an easy time. At this point it can't really go into a city and brawl, so it's now relegated as a specialist tank, aka an inflexible tank, only capable of sniping. But it's camo values are terrible and it's easily spotted. The only other thing it has going for it is that it's pretty mobile, but not nearly mobile enough to justify how poorly armored it is. Only tier 7 tank I can think of that is worse than the Tiger is the amx m4 45. It's a great tank if you have a great driver compensating for it's myriad of pitfalls. Newb-friendly is just another way of saying a tank is outright bad. I'm competing in the tier 7 tournament today and the Tiger H is quite literally the last tank I'd ever consider using. The Tiger P on the other hand though... Actually I quite enjoyed the AMX M4 45, and that was before they buffed its gun depression to 10 degrees. So I suspect it's much improved now. Tiger is capable of more than sniping, people band that around too much. With decent angling and keeping a bit of distance it can, emphasis on can, bounce stuff (IS's 122mm, any tier 7 medium, etc) and the large hitpoint pool allows it to sponge a bit of damage and be played aggressively. Curious that you consider both the Tiger H and the M4 45 bad, as they both have poor armour for a heavy tank with accurate, low alpha high pen guns. Perhaps you rely on armour a little more than you should?  Tiger P imo, the same turret (i.e. weak) as the Tiger H so really that armour isn't worth it. As for tournaments, it seems that teams usually field flavour of the month setups (T57, T57, T57... Yawn) for them so just because a tank isn't relevant in them doesn't make it any less competent in randoms. Finally, newb-friendly... That's not what it means. I'd say the autoloaders aren't particularly newb friendly either - ever seen BatChats/50Bs dead in the first minute? See what I mean. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On June 04 2013 10:06 3Form wrote: Actually I quite enjoyed the AMX M4 45, and that was before they buffed its gun depression to 10 degrees. So I suspect it's much improved now. Tiger is capable of more than sniping, people band that around too much. With decent angling and keeping a bit of distance it can, emphasis on can, bounce stuff (IS's 122mm, any tier 7 medium, etc) and the large hitpoint pool allows it to sponge a bit of damage and be played aggressively. Curious that you consider both the Tiger H and the M4 45 bad, as they both have poor armour for a heavy tank with accurate, low alpha high pen guns. Perhaps you rely on armour a little more than you should? Tiger P imo, the same turret (i.e. weak) as the Tiger H so really that armour isn't worth it. As for tournaments, it seems that teams usually field flavour of the month setups (T57, T57, T57... Yawn) for them so just because a tank isn't relevant in them doesn't make it any less competent in randoms. Finally, newb-friendly... That's not what it means. I'd say the autoloaders aren't particularly newb friendly either - ever seen BatChats/50Bs dead in the first minute? See what I mean. It doesn't matter whether or not you enjoyed the AMX, it's outright weaker than every if not all other tier 7 heavies. It's not a debate of how much can one person make it work, or what it's capable of in a perfect world. IS and T29 with equally skilled drivers will out perform the Tiger (and amx m4) a great majority of the time. They're overrated for a reason. As for armor, the Tiger isn't bouncing a D-25T. With the best possible angle and the IS firing at the strongest point on the Tiger's hull, it would require the IS to roll an extremely low penetration -- which will not happen more often than not. IS can actually bounce shots. The tiger can't without RNG. IS's gun is superior in most situations. IS is more mobile. IS is strictly better. The Tiger P can actually brawl AND snipe. And brawling up close makes it difficult to hit small weakpoints like the cupola if you keep moving. I'm not sure why you're so committed to defending the Tiger H or the AMX M4, they're terrible tanks. What does me preferring armor have to do with anything? It doesn't change the fact that even if you took away the armor of the IS and T29, they'd still be better than the Tiger and AMX M4. If you read my post completely, you'd notice I rate tanks by their gun > mobility > versatility >> anything else. Armor included. Ironically I have swapped to meds as speed > armor. 58% winrate in 200 games on the T-43, a horribly undergunned T7 med, and guns are pretty much the greatest factor in how well a tank can perform. Lastly, the tournament I'm referring to is the tier 7 skirmish. If my opponents use Tiger H's I'll be pretty happy. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
One of the most successful free-to-play online game companies on the planet has announced a sweeping change in the way it monetizes all of its games. The initiative has already begun in the company's flagship online game World of Tanks, and will continue with upcoming titles such as World of Warplanes and World of Warships. Here's basically how the new strategy boils down: The company is calling the strategy "free-to-win," and first started testing it in 2012. The core basis of "free-to-win" is to remove all payable options that could be viewed as giving a player an advantage in battle. Revenue will come from sales of non-advantageous content, such as premium vehicles, personalization options and the like. Free-to-win will be applied to all current and future Wargaming titles. The move is in part meant to make Wargaming a bigger player in the burgeoning eSports arena. Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/193520/Wargaming_kicks_paytowin_monetization_to_the_curb.php | ||
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m4inbrain
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Perscienter
957 Posts
On June 04 2013 18:31 Enox wrote: if this was posted in this thread already, I'm sorry. I dont play WoT myself, but this is pretty big news: Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/193520/Wargaming_kicks_paytowin_monetization_to_the_curb.php So? They lied before several times. That's just cheap talk on an ad platform. | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
I don't see what's surprising or new here. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On June 04 2013 07:53 rd wrote: If playing the KV-1s hasn't caused you to physically react when seeing another KV-1s with the 122 pointing at you, you have to be doing something wrong. KV-1s is one of the only tanks with a gun powerful enough to two shot any tank of it's own tier. It's equivalent to a tier 10 tank with 1000 alpha damage. Well, I definatly have it mounted, and the first 2 shots I made with it bounced :c No doubt it's a powerful gun, but it hasn't wowed me | ||
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
On June 04 2013 10:42 rd wrote: It doesn't matter whether or not you enjoyed the AMX, it's outright weaker than every if not all other tier 7 heavies. It's not a debate of how much can one person make it work, or what it's capable of in a perfect world. IS and T29 with equally skilled drivers will out perform the Tiger (and amx m4) a great majority of the time. They're overrated for a reason. As for armor, the Tiger isn't bouncing a D-25T. With the best possible angle and the IS firing at the strongest point on the Tiger's hull, it would require the IS to roll an extremely low penetration -- which will not happen more often than not. IS can actually bounce shots. The tiger can't without RNG. IS's gun is superior in most situations. IS is more mobile. IS is strictly better. The Tiger P can actually brawl AND snipe. And brawling up close makes it difficult to hit small weakpoints like the cupola if you keep moving. I'm not sure why you're so committed to defending the Tiger H or the AMX M4, they're terrible tanks. What does me preferring armor have to do with anything? It doesn't change the fact that even if you took away the armor of the IS and T29, they'd still be better than the Tiger and AMX M4. If you read my post completely, you'd notice I rate tanks by their gun > mobility > versatility >> anything else. Armor included. Ironically I have swapped to meds as speed > armor. 58% winrate in 200 games on the T-43, a horribly undergunned T7 med, and guns are pretty much the greatest factor in how well a tank can perform. Lastly, the tournament I'm referring to is the tier 7 skirmish. If my opponents use Tiger H's I'll be pretty happy. I'm with you, and I've been on that page for a long time. I too much prefer mobility over anything. It's just funny that one of the biggest complaints about the Tiger is it's armour, and then you go on to say you do not care about armour. But I'll give you this one. On paper, the IS and T29 are indeed better than the Tiger H and M4 45. In the majority of situations the IS and T29 can perform better. The Tiger H and M4 45 are highly situational. Just they are not bad, merely eclipsed by easier to play tanks. Any situation where I've done exceptionally with the M4 45 would not have gone quite so well with the IS, for example. In fact it will be interesting to see how the next patch affects tanks like the IS, making them more accurate and such. I would have said the poor accuracy + aim time is the main downside for the IS, aside from the fact it's armour is... unreliable, and it's turret is weaker than it's hull. Fortunately most people who play the over-performing tanks are just average. But I had a fright recently when an IS actually peek-a-boo'd me at close range, rather than trying to face hug me. That was terrifying. If you like the T-43, I'd suggest the Comet. Their guns have similar penetration (ergo I don't consider either of them undergunned for their tier). The Comet is nicely mobile and has an incredible 12 degrees of gun depression, allowing it to use it's tiny turret which is really well armoured. The RoF allows you to peek over a ridge, snap shot, retreat and repeat. So you have an amazing mix of DPM, gun depression, armour and mobility. Easily the best tier 7 medium imo, this coming from a long time T20 fan. | ||
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manloveman
424 Posts
On June 04 2013 19:55 Perscienter wrote: Tiger H has just too low alpha. An HT also needs a punch. Low pen and high alpha would at least be good against mt / lt stuff. High pen and low alpha means: extremely difficult to eliminate small tanks with one shot like a KV-1S and high penetration against tanks, which have lots of hp, so won't suffer enough percentages of their hp. That's what makes the Tiger H ineffective among other things. So? They lied before several times. That's just cheap talk on an ad platform. I don't want to hear anything else than them removing stupid, gamebreaking, fun ruining, retarded gold ammo | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On June 04 2013 21:51 manloveman wrote: I don't want to hear anything else than them removing stupid, gamebreaking, fun ruining, retarded gold ammo Yeah, I'm curious as to whether this means they're removing all "gold" ammo/consumables/etc... or just making it all also available for credits, much like gold ammo became. Because if it's the latter, it's not going to change anything. In fact if recent history shows, it's probably going to make it worse. Gold ammo for credits is pretty damn annoying. | ||
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