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On June 06 2013 17:32 Terranist wrote:
i don't play the game but i enjoyed watching WoT on gomtv. are there any specific youtube or twitch channels that feature competitive WoT played at a high level like gom?
I was told that the state of pro WoT in Korea was like that of LoL 2-3 years ago. Their strategies and execution aren't quite on the level of "foreigners" (doesn't apply since Russia = Korea in this scene thus far).
NA/EU (pretty close atm...the top NA teams can compete easily with EU, but not many good NA teams) are better than Korea by far...for now 
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Decided to grind to T57, almost losing interest on the M7. God that thing is awful. ._.
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Duka08 wrote:
Requesting opinions on a few tanks:
- Graduating from the M4 soon and can't decide whether to go with the Jumbo or Easy 8. M4A3E8 sounds more fun between the two, but the E2 would open up not only the medium track that I'd be following already with the E8, but also the heavy track starting with the T29. Having the options might be nice. How do you compare/contrast the M4A3E2 with the M4A3E8?
- Would like to go for the Hellcat at some point. How does the T40 -> Wolverine route compare to the M8A1 -> T49 route? I know the T40 can be ridiculous DERPY fun like it's predecessors, but I don't hear much good about the Wolv. On the other hand, I hear the T49 is good, but never much about the M8A1.
SO MANY CHOICES. In the long run it won't matter that much, another 20-30 games on whatever tank to open a new branch isn't the end of the world. Just curious.
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2) I got that impression between the Wolv / T49, I'm just wondering which one will be nicer to grind up to the Hellcat with. I'll probably just pick one and roll with it... Ignoring the Tier 4 lead ins, I need to figure out which of these two will fit my style better. Kind of want to try the 49 just for the novelty of the speed on a TD.
This Saturday: 50% discount and 80% credits income on the following vehicles: M10 Wolverine. Does that answer your question? Though, normally I'd prefer the T49.
Easy 8 and Jumbo on 30% discount.
On June 06 2013 12:15 Duka08 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 10:04 rd wrote:On June 06 2013 06:46 Duka08 wrote:
Requesting opinions on a few tanks:
- Graduating from the M4 soon and can't decide whether to go with the Jumbo or Easy 8. M4A3E8 sounds more fun between the two, but the E2 would open up not only the medium track that I'd be following already with the E8, but also the heavy track starting with the T29. Having the options might be nice. How do you compare/contrast the M4A3E2 with the M4A3E8?
- Would like to go for the Hellcat at some point. How does the T40 -> Wolverine route compare to the M8A1 -> T49 route? I know the T40 can be ridiculous DERPY fun like it's predecessors, but I don't hear much good about the Wolv. On the other hand, I hear the T49 is good, but never much about the M8A1.
SO MANY CHOICES. In the long run it won't matter that much, another 20-30 games on whatever tank to open a new branch isn't the end of the world. Just curious. 1) You need to decide where you're going at the end of the line. The M4 can take you to the tier x american medium the M48 patton, or the tier x american heavy the T110E5. It's kind of hard to know which considering you've probably never even seen either of them before, but if you're going to commit to the grind it's good to learn and avoid making a mistake towards the end of the line. I'd do some research before you commit to either, but heres a brief description. The m48 patton is a heavily armored and somewhat slow medium, and the t110e5 is a moderately armored but nimble heavy. Both have good guns. The easy 8 and the T20 which precedes it are very fast medium tanks, but after that the american medium line changes into medium "heavy" tanks, trading all speed for armor. The T110E5 line starting from the E2 remain consistent in their playstyle: heavily armored turrets that make for amazing hull down spots, and contains some of the best heavy tanks of their respective tiers. Competitively, the T110E5 is the number one picked tank for its mobility and it's gun which is one of the best of any tier x heavy. That being said, if you're going to pursue the American heavy line starting from the E2 jumbo, you need to save up 14,000 free exp for when you research the T29. The 90mm which you can research on the M6 doesn't come with the E2 or stock with the T29, leaving you with the tier V 76mm, which on a T29 guarantees you're not penetrating anything for a long time, and you're getting very little exp to work towards the 90mm. If you're going to get the easy 8 and pursue the medium line however, theres nothing to really worry about. If you don't know which you'd prefer, I'd also recommend casually getting both. Pursue the one you think would be your favorite, while you casually do the daily double of the other. The differences between the Jumbo and the Easy 8 themselves is quite literally defined by their armor. The easy 8 is very fast and lightly armored. The Jumbo trades speed for some of the best armor in tier 6, along with an extremely well armored turret with great gun depression that makes the Jumbo the best hull down tank of the tier. Both tanks are very good. 2) Wolverine is very slow and well armored, and the T49 is very fast. It's a similar situation to the Easy 8 vs the Jumbo. One line is well armored and slow, and the other line is lightly armored but very fast. They both have good guns. No one really compares tier 4 tanks as they're all fairly underwhelming until their tier 5 counterparts begin to make distinctions in playstyle. The hellcat itself is very fast, and has one of the best guns of it's tier. It's widely regarded as one of the best tier 6 tanks in the game, though it has a steeper learning curve. 1) Well that's my point, I kind of want to have both options available since I'd like to at least try the T29 and the M103 mostly, but I'm also HIGHLY interested in the medium line working toward the Patton. Both the Easy 8 and the Jumbo let me work toward the medium line, but the Jumbo keeps both options open, at the expense of playing the Jumbo instead of the Easy 8 (the latter of which sounds more fun from what I hear, but your descriptions make them both seem great, just for different reasons!).
Trust me, you don't want to try the M103. It becomes interesting with its top gun, which costs 60k XP. Then the 49% win ratio will still be a magnet for you. It's super weak against swarms and auto-loaders in your back, where an ST-I, E-75 or even an IS-8 survive much longer. These quick deaths are the ones, that will drag you down. Would be fun to play it in a duel per lobby match, but that would cost credits.
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On June 08 2013 01:30 Perscienter wrote:Show nested quote +Duka08 wrote:
Requesting opinions on a few tanks:
- Graduating from the M4 soon and can't decide whether to go with the Jumbo or Easy 8. M4A3E8 sounds more fun between the two, but the E2 would open up not only the medium track that I'd be following already with the E8, but also the heavy track starting with the T29. Having the options might be nice. How do you compare/contrast the M4A3E2 with the M4A3E8?
- Would like to go for the Hellcat at some point. How does the T40 -> Wolverine route compare to the M8A1 -> T49 route? I know the T40 can be ridiculous DERPY fun like it's predecessors, but I don't hear much good about the Wolv. On the other hand, I hear the T49 is good, but never much about the M8A1.
SO MANY CHOICES. In the long run it won't matter that much, another 20-30 games on whatever tank to open a new branch isn't the end of the world. Just curious.
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2) I got that impression between the Wolv / T49, I'm just wondering which one will be nicer to grind up to the Hellcat with. I'll probably just pick one and roll with it... Ignoring the Tier 4 lead ins, I need to figure out which of these two will fit my style better. Kind of want to try the 49 just for the novelty of the speed on a TD. This Saturday: 50% discount and 80% credits income on the following vehicles: M10 Wolverine. Does that answer your question? Though, normally I'd prefer the T49. Easy 8 and Jumbo on 30% discount. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:15 Duka08 wrote:On June 06 2013 10:04 rd wrote:On June 06 2013 06:46 Duka08 wrote:
Requesting opinions on a few tanks:
- Graduating from the M4 soon and can't decide whether to go with the Jumbo or Easy 8. M4A3E8 sounds more fun between the two, but the E2 would open up not only the medium track that I'd be following already with the E8, but also the heavy track starting with the T29. Having the options might be nice. How do you compare/contrast the M4A3E2 with the M4A3E8?
- Would like to go for the Hellcat at some point. How does the T40 -> Wolverine route compare to the M8A1 -> T49 route? I know the T40 can be ridiculous DERPY fun like it's predecessors, but I don't hear much good about the Wolv. On the other hand, I hear the T49 is good, but never much about the M8A1.
SO MANY CHOICES. In the long run it won't matter that much, another 20-30 games on whatever tank to open a new branch isn't the end of the world. Just curious. 1) You need to decide where you're going at the end of the line. The M4 can take you to the tier x american medium the M48 patton, or the tier x american heavy the T110E5. It's kind of hard to know which considering you've probably never even seen either of them before, but if you're going to commit to the grind it's good to learn and avoid making a mistake towards the end of the line. I'd do some research before you commit to either, but heres a brief description. The m48 patton is a heavily armored and somewhat slow medium, and the t110e5 is a moderately armored but nimble heavy. Both have good guns. The easy 8 and the T20 which precedes it are very fast medium tanks, but after that the american medium line changes into medium "heavy" tanks, trading all speed for armor. The T110E5 line starting from the E2 remain consistent in their playstyle: heavily armored turrets that make for amazing hull down spots, and contains some of the best heavy tanks of their respective tiers. Competitively, the T110E5 is the number one picked tank for its mobility and it's gun which is one of the best of any tier x heavy. That being said, if you're going to pursue the American heavy line starting from the E2 jumbo, you need to save up 14,000 free exp for when you research the T29. The 90mm which you can research on the M6 doesn't come with the E2 or stock with the T29, leaving you with the tier V 76mm, which on a T29 guarantees you're not penetrating anything for a long time, and you're getting very little exp to work towards the 90mm. If you're going to get the easy 8 and pursue the medium line however, theres nothing to really worry about. If you don't know which you'd prefer, I'd also recommend casually getting both. Pursue the one you think would be your favorite, while you casually do the daily double of the other. The differences between the Jumbo and the Easy 8 themselves is quite literally defined by their armor. The easy 8 is very fast and lightly armored. The Jumbo trades speed for some of the best armor in tier 6, along with an extremely well armored turret with great gun depression that makes the Jumbo the best hull down tank of the tier. Both tanks are very good. 2) Wolverine is very slow and well armored, and the T49 is very fast. It's a similar situation to the Easy 8 vs the Jumbo. One line is well armored and slow, and the other line is lightly armored but very fast. They both have good guns. No one really compares tier 4 tanks as they're all fairly underwhelming until their tier 5 counterparts begin to make distinctions in playstyle. The hellcat itself is very fast, and has one of the best guns of it's tier. It's widely regarded as one of the best tier 6 tanks in the game, though it has a steeper learning curve. 1) Well that's my point, I kind of want to have both options available since I'd like to at least try the T29 and the M103 mostly, but I'm also HIGHLY interested in the medium line working toward the Patton. Both the Easy 8 and the Jumbo let me work toward the medium line, but the Jumbo keeps both options open, at the expense of playing the Jumbo instead of the Easy 8 (the latter of which sounds more fun from what I hear, but your descriptions make them both seem great, just for different reasons!). Trust me, you don't want to try the M103. It becomes interesting with its top gun, which costs 60k XP. Then the 49% win ratio will still be a magnet for you. It's super weak against swarms and auto-loaders in your back, where an ST-I, E-75 or even an IS-8 survive much longer. These quick deaths are the ones, that will drag you down. Would be fun to play it in a duel per lobby match, but that would cost credits.
Unfortunately last night I already started down the M8A1->T49 path haha, but even with the Wolvie discount I think I want to try these out. However, I'm really glad I haven't grabbed one of the Shermans yet. THAT discount will help substantially.
Even with your comments on the M103 (which are very helpful by the way! I literally only go by word of mouth / streams, which can oft be misleading without further research) I think I'm going to try the Jumbo first, just to leave the option of Heavy/Med line open for myself. Either way I'll probably end up focusing most on the medium line first though, so that the T29 has the gun ready by the time I decide to play it.
I should really stop buying things except on weekends... These specials are awesome!
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On June 08 2013 01:30 Perscienter wrote:Show nested quote +Duka08 wrote:
Requesting opinions on a few tanks:
- Graduating from the M4 soon and can't decide whether to go with the Jumbo or Easy 8. M4A3E8 sounds more fun between the two, but the E2 would open up not only the medium track that I'd be following already with the E8, but also the heavy track starting with the T29. Having the options might be nice. How do you compare/contrast the M4A3E2 with the M4A3E8?
- Would like to go for the Hellcat at some point. How does the T40 -> Wolverine route compare to the M8A1 -> T49 route? I know the T40 can be ridiculous DERPY fun like it's predecessors, but I don't hear much good about the Wolv. On the other hand, I hear the T49 is good, but never much about the M8A1.
SO MANY CHOICES. In the long run it won't matter that much, another 20-30 games on whatever tank to open a new branch isn't the end of the world. Just curious.
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2) I got that impression between the Wolv / T49, I'm just wondering which one will be nicer to grind up to the Hellcat with. I'll probably just pick one and roll with it... Ignoring the Tier 4 lead ins, I need to figure out which of these two will fit my style better. Kind of want to try the 49 just for the novelty of the speed on a TD. This Saturday: 50% discount and 80% credits income on the following vehicles: M10 Wolverine. Does that answer your question? Though, normally I'd prefer the T49. Easy 8 and Jumbo on 30% discount. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:15 Duka08 wrote:On June 06 2013 10:04 rd wrote:On June 06 2013 06:46 Duka08 wrote:
Requesting opinions on a few tanks:
- Graduating from the M4 soon and can't decide whether to go with the Jumbo or Easy 8. M4A3E8 sounds more fun between the two, but the E2 would open up not only the medium track that I'd be following already with the E8, but also the heavy track starting with the T29. Having the options might be nice. How do you compare/contrast the M4A3E2 with the M4A3E8?
- Would like to go for the Hellcat at some point. How does the T40 -> Wolverine route compare to the M8A1 -> T49 route? I know the T40 can be ridiculous DERPY fun like it's predecessors, but I don't hear much good about the Wolv. On the other hand, I hear the T49 is good, but never much about the M8A1.
SO MANY CHOICES. In the long run it won't matter that much, another 20-30 games on whatever tank to open a new branch isn't the end of the world. Just curious. 1) You need to decide where you're going at the end of the line. The M4 can take you to the tier x american medium the M48 patton, or the tier x american heavy the T110E5. It's kind of hard to know which considering you've probably never even seen either of them before, but if you're going to commit to the grind it's good to learn and avoid making a mistake towards the end of the line. I'd do some research before you commit to either, but heres a brief description. The m48 patton is a heavily armored and somewhat slow medium, and the t110e5 is a moderately armored but nimble heavy. Both have good guns. The easy 8 and the T20 which precedes it are very fast medium tanks, but after that the american medium line changes into medium "heavy" tanks, trading all speed for armor. The T110E5 line starting from the E2 remain consistent in their playstyle: heavily armored turrets that make for amazing hull down spots, and contains some of the best heavy tanks of their respective tiers. Competitively, the T110E5 is the number one picked tank for its mobility and it's gun which is one of the best of any tier x heavy. That being said, if you're going to pursue the American heavy line starting from the E2 jumbo, you need to save up 14,000 free exp for when you research the T29. The 90mm which you can research on the M6 doesn't come with the E2 or stock with the T29, leaving you with the tier V 76mm, which on a T29 guarantees you're not penetrating anything for a long time, and you're getting very little exp to work towards the 90mm. If you're going to get the easy 8 and pursue the medium line however, theres nothing to really worry about. If you don't know which you'd prefer, I'd also recommend casually getting both. Pursue the one you think would be your favorite, while you casually do the daily double of the other. The differences between the Jumbo and the Easy 8 themselves is quite literally defined by their armor. The easy 8 is very fast and lightly armored. The Jumbo trades speed for some of the best armor in tier 6, along with an extremely well armored turret with great gun depression that makes the Jumbo the best hull down tank of the tier. Both tanks are very good. 2) Wolverine is very slow and well armored, and the T49 is very fast. It's a similar situation to the Easy 8 vs the Jumbo. One line is well armored and slow, and the other line is lightly armored but very fast. They both have good guns. No one really compares tier 4 tanks as they're all fairly underwhelming until their tier 5 counterparts begin to make distinctions in playstyle. The hellcat itself is very fast, and has one of the best guns of it's tier. It's widely regarded as one of the best tier 6 tanks in the game, though it has a steeper learning curve. 1) Well that's my point, I kind of want to have both options available since I'd like to at least try the T29 and the M103 mostly, but I'm also HIGHLY interested in the medium line working toward the Patton. Both the Easy 8 and the Jumbo let me work toward the medium line, but the Jumbo keeps both options open, at the expense of playing the Jumbo instead of the Easy 8 (the latter of which sounds more fun from what I hear, but your descriptions make them both seem great, just for different reasons!). Trust me, you don't want to try the M103. It becomes interesting with its top gun, which costs 60k XP. Then the 49% win ratio will still be a magnet for you. It's super weak against swarms and auto-loaders in your back, where an ST-I, E-75 or even an IS-8 survive much longer. These quick deaths are the ones, that will drag you down. Would be fun to play it in a duel per lobby match, but that would cost credits.
That's an unrealistic problem. Tanks aren't made to withstand being "swarmed" by other tanks or fired into the back by auto-loaders. You're implying that multiple tanks are overwhelming you through force of numbers, or that auto-loaders are getting behind you, and that's not the fault of the M103. It's the fault of the driver having no positional awareness, or the team for having no position to cover you. The E-75, ST-I, or IS-8 may survive an extra shot or two (and I'm just taking for granted that fact, it's probably not even true), but they're still dead if they're in a similar position, regardless of how much longer their death may or may not take.
The M103 is a positionally dependent tank. You have to be supported by teammates, and you need good cover to protect your weaker hull. This is the same problem for the entirety of the T110E5 line; from the T29 onwards, except in tier 9, tanks get much faster with much better guns to punish you for being out of position (I'm sugarcoating it and I really mean just being bad). "Quick deaths" in a M103 can only happen from A; Artillery, or B; Incompetence (either the incompetence of the driver, or the overwhelming incompetence of his team).
And that doesn't change the fact that the M103's average performance is only separated by tenths of a percent versus the ST-I or E-75 (don't even try to drag it down to the level of the IS-8, please). For a tank that's on average harder to use than others, it performs right down the line with every other top performing tier 9 heavy -- higher than 49%. Unlike the ST-I, E-75, or IS-8 though, the M103 actually leads to a metagame viable tier 10 tank.
P.S. all of the tier 9 tanks you listed require ~60k exp for their top gun -- if not more.
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omg these guys are so funny in any game they cast.
First time watching World of Tanks - and that last game was pretty awesome
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cool that Tastosis are casting.. I've never played this, don't know anything about it. But that last game with the apparently novel strategy was pretty fun to watch
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On June 08 2013 23:01 stormtemplar wrote:
Hey guys, what are the best USA light tanks and also what are some good medium tanks? I'm still new to the game and I'd rather not waste XP on a tank that sucks.
Edit: Also is there something along the lines of a guide to the game for total noobs? I'd like to be able to play this game with some modicum of skill.
I have a similar situation.
I am interested in giving this a go, but the naming conventions are impenetrable (T56 vs T80? I have no idea what this means, and yes I just made up numbers) and in general medium tanks seem very interesting to me.
What are some good medium tanks? What nation?
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You guys might want to take a look at the website of Cody Menz, a very good and knowledgeable player on the US server. In particular, he has written a guide on "Which tank line is right for you?" There are also several other guides on that website that might help a beginner out.
Other than that take a look at some of the youtube channels / streams that have already been mentioned here: Jingles; QuickyBaby; HighFlyer15
Also, the official WoT Forums have some guides for specific tanks and topics on tactics in general.
Which are the best US light tanks? Well, first of I would not recommend playing light tanks at tiers 4 and 5 for beginners. Especially at tier 4 the scout match making can be very tough to deal with for someone who is just starting out. You will face tier 8 tanks in your tier 4 scouts.
The best American light is probably the T 71 at tier 7. It has all the qualities a good light tank needs (speed, maneuverability, camo) paired with a very powerful auto loader gun. Tier for tier the M 3 Stuart at tier 3 can also be very fun to play.
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On June 08 2013 23:01 stormtemplar wrote:
Hey guys, what are the best USA light tanks and also what are some good medium tanks? I'm still new to the game and I'd rather not waste XP on a tank that sucks.
Edit: Also is there something along the lines of a guide to the game for total noobs? I'd like to be able to play this game with some modicum of skill.
To answer that question, it really depends on what your goals are. You say you'd rather not waste XP on a tank that sucks. Does this extend to wasting EXP on a full fledged tank line that sucks -- i.e. wasting EXP towards a bad tier 10 tank at the end?
USA has only one real light tank line and it's the T57 line. The traditional M48 patton medium tank line isn't really a medium tank line. After the T20 they turn into hybrid heavy tanks that are kinda fast and kinda heavily armored but not particularly one or the other -- they aren't "true" mediums. If tier 10 isn't your goal, then you'd probably enjoy that line. Otherwise, I'd recommend going for the M7 and eventually up towards the T57, which meets your other requirement by having some of the best tanks in the game among that line -- The T71, the T69, and the T57. For americans, anyways. The top of the line is a fairly slow heavy however, though it's the single most highly rated tank right now at least.
If you really wanted to commit to a true medium or light line though, I'd tell you to go a different nation entirely. USA doesn't really have an end-game medium line, though they do have some nice tanks inbetween at various tiers. If those are your goal, then you're fine, otherwise I'd recommend going for the T-62a, the BatChat, or the Leopard 1. Very solid medium lines with a lot of solid tanks along the way, with the additional benefit of having the best top tier tanks at the end.
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On June 08 2013 14:44 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:30 Perscienter wrote:Duka08 wrote:
Requesting opinions on a few tanks:
- Graduating from the M4 soon and can't decide whether to go with the Jumbo or Easy 8. M4A3E8 sounds more fun between the two, but the E2 would open up not only the medium track that I'd be following already with the E8, but also the heavy track starting with the T29. Having the options might be nice. How do you compare/contrast the M4A3E2 with the M4A3E8?
- Would like to go for the Hellcat at some point. How does the T40 -> Wolverine route compare to the M8A1 -> T49 route? I know the T40 can be ridiculous DERPY fun like it's predecessors, but I don't hear much good about the Wolv. On the other hand, I hear the T49 is good, but never much about the M8A1.
SO MANY CHOICES. In the long run it won't matter that much, another 20-30 games on whatever tank to open a new branch isn't the end of the world. Just curious.
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2) I got that impression between the Wolv / T49, I'm just wondering which one will be nicer to grind up to the Hellcat with. I'll probably just pick one and roll with it... Ignoring the Tier 4 lead ins, I need to figure out which of these two will fit my style better. Kind of want to try the 49 just for the novelty of the speed on a TD. This Saturday: 50% discount and 80% credits income on the following vehicles: M10 Wolverine. Does that answer your question? Though, normally I'd prefer the T49. Easy 8 and Jumbo on 30% discount. On June 06 2013 12:15 Duka08 wrote:On June 06 2013 10:04 rd wrote:On June 06 2013 06:46 Duka08 wrote:
Requesting opinions on a few tanks:
- Graduating from the M4 soon and can't decide whether to go with the Jumbo or Easy 8. M4A3E8 sounds more fun between the two, but the E2 would open up not only the medium track that I'd be following already with the E8, but also the heavy track starting with the T29. Having the options might be nice. How do you compare/contrast the M4A3E2 with the M4A3E8?
- Would like to go for the Hellcat at some point. How does the T40 -> Wolverine route compare to the M8A1 -> T49 route? I know the T40 can be ridiculous DERPY fun like it's predecessors, but I don't hear much good about the Wolv. On the other hand, I hear the T49 is good, but never much about the M8A1.
SO MANY CHOICES. In the long run it won't matter that much, another 20-30 games on whatever tank to open a new branch isn't the end of the world. Just curious. 1) You need to decide where you're going at the end of the line. The M4 can take you to the tier x american medium the M48 patton, or the tier x american heavy the T110E5. It's kind of hard to know which considering you've probably never even seen either of them before, but if you're going to commit to the grind it's good to learn and avoid making a mistake towards the end of the line. I'd do some research before you commit to either, but heres a brief description. The m48 patton is a heavily armored and somewhat slow medium, and the t110e5 is a moderately armored but nimble heavy. Both have good guns. The easy 8 and the T20 which precedes it are very fast medium tanks, but after that the american medium line changes into medium "heavy" tanks, trading all speed for armor. The T110E5 line starting from the E2 remain consistent in their playstyle: heavily armored turrets that make for amazing hull down spots, and contains some of the best heavy tanks of their respective tiers. Competitively, the T110E5 is the number one picked tank for its mobility and it's gun which is one of the best of any tier x heavy. That being said, if you're going to pursue the American heavy line starting from the E2 jumbo, you need to save up 14,000 free exp for when you research the T29. The 90mm which you can research on the M6 doesn't come with the E2 or stock with the T29, leaving you with the tier V 76mm, which on a T29 guarantees you're not penetrating anything for a long time, and you're getting very little exp to work towards the 90mm. If you're going to get the easy 8 and pursue the medium line however, theres nothing to really worry about. If you don't know which you'd prefer, I'd also recommend casually getting both. Pursue the one you think would be your favorite, while you casually do the daily double of the other. The differences between the Jumbo and the Easy 8 themselves is quite literally defined by their armor. The easy 8 is very fast and lightly armored. The Jumbo trades speed for some of the best armor in tier 6, along with an extremely well armored turret with great gun depression that makes the Jumbo the best hull down tank of the tier. Both tanks are very good. 2) Wolverine is very slow and well armored, and the T49 is very fast. It's a similar situation to the Easy 8 vs the Jumbo. One line is well armored and slow, and the other line is lightly armored but very fast. They both have good guns. No one really compares tier 4 tanks as they're all fairly underwhelming until their tier 5 counterparts begin to make distinctions in playstyle. The hellcat itself is very fast, and has one of the best guns of it's tier. It's widely regarded as one of the best tier 6 tanks in the game, though it has a steeper learning curve. 1) Well that's my point, I kind of want to have both options available since I'd like to at least try the T29 and the M103 mostly, but I'm also HIGHLY interested in the medium line working toward the Patton. Both the Easy 8 and the Jumbo let me work toward the medium line, but the Jumbo keeps both options open, at the expense of playing the Jumbo instead of the Easy 8 (the latter of which sounds more fun from what I hear, but your descriptions make them both seem great, just for different reasons!). Trust me, you don't want to try the M103. It becomes interesting with its top gun, which costs 60k XP. Then the 49% win ratio will still be a magnet for you. It's super weak against swarms and auto-loaders in your back, where an ST-I, E-75 or even an IS-8 survive much longer. These quick deaths are the ones, that will drag you down. Would be fun to play it in a duel per lobby match, but that would cost credits. That's an unrealistic problem. Tanks aren't made to withstand being "swarmed" by other tanks or fired into the back by auto-loaders. You're implying that multiple tanks are overwhelming you through force of numbers, or that auto-loaders are getting behind you, and that's not the fault of the M103. It's the fault of the driver having no positional awareness, or the team for having no position to cover you. The E-75, ST-I, or IS-8 may survive an extra shot or two (and I'm just taking for granted that fact, it's probably not even true), but they're still dead if they're in a similar position, regardless of how much longer their death may or may not take. The M103 is a positionally dependent tank. You have to be supported by teammates, and you need good cover to protect your weaker hull. This is the same problem for the entirety of the T110E5 line; from the T29 onwards, except in tier 9, tanks get much faster with much better guns to punish you for being out of position (I'm sugarcoating it and I really mean just being bad). "Quick deaths" in a M103 can only happen from A; Artillery, or B; Incompetence (either the incompetence of the driver, or the overwhelming incompetence of his team). And that doesn't change the fact that the M103's average performance is only separated by tenths of a percent versus the ST-I or E-75 (don't even try to drag it down to the level of the IS-8, please). For a tank that's on average harder to use than others, it performs right down the line with every other top performing tier 9 heavy -- higher than 49%. Unlike the ST-I, E-75, or IS-8 though, the M103 actually leads to a metagame viable tier 10 tank. P.S. all of the tier 9 tanks you listed require ~60k exp for their top gun -- if not more.
Maybe I shouldn't use the extreme example of swarms, but two enemies. Of course, an E-75 side bounces more of a half-flanking enemy med.
You can see the armour values for sides and rear and compare them to the other tier IX heavies. The M103 belongs to the bad half of tier IX tanks. I can compare it to the IS-8. That one just needs to auto-aim at an M103 and will probably penetrate and do more damage. WG does all kinds of tricks to the Soviet tanks. Their guns should suck, so they give them very high damage values. Their mobility should be bad, so they give them high top speeds. Their armour is bad so they apply some weird side striped spaced armour. The IS-8 side can bounce shots from the M58 on sides in 20°!
There are maps where the M103 is almost always out of position (Murovanka, Prokhorovka) while in many of them you only have a few positions, where you sit (Westfield, Arctic Region). You do not decide the outcome on those maps, but the flow around you decides it. Often, as a top tier, you have to deal damage right from the start to win, to sort enemies out quickly or they start sorting out your team-mates. Sometimes that's not even possible. most people can have above average win rates, but usually not 55%, 60% and so forth, so no win ratios of really good tanks. That is, because the M103 is just mediocre.
A gun-dependent tank with longer loading times also has problems with the game mechanics. You can't determine very well where to shoot on 200m distance. You might hit his tracks instead or the turret soaks up all the damage. I'd say with good aiming, you can penetrate roughly 30% to 70% of the time. Often you can't control it. There, WoT/WG favours tanks with auto-loaders concerning planning at least.
Last top gun will be unlocked for researching the T110E5, but you'd have to grind to it without top gun. Currently, I'd recommend the T57 anyway. Damage output is the way to go under stereotypical rules like that of WoT.
I'm really in favour of an acceleration buff, especially in reverse gear to the M103 and foremost because the IS-8 received an 8 km/h buff compared to reality (42 to 50, at least according to internet sources), while the Hellcat never reached top speed, formerly because the engine didn't allow it (so WG said) and now it would be possible but isn't changed.
WG is so ******* complacent about historical accuracy it's unbelievable.
On June 08 2013 23:01 stormtemplar wrote:
Hey guys, what are the best USA light tanks and also what are some good medium tanks? I'm still new to the game and I'd rather not waste XP on a tank that sucks.
Edit: Also is there something along the lines of a guide to the game for total noobs? I'd like to be able to play this game with some modicum of skill.
There is only one US LT line with two ends: M24 Chaffee and T71. The M24 (a scout, spotter, sniper) is an old, classy, extreme LT visiting all highest battle tiers, the T71 the new one is focussed on op fire-power has a slightly smaller tier spread.
In fact the M24 has the MM weight of a tier VI medium and the T71 probably the one of a tier VII medium. That's why the T71 performs marginally worse in publics.
Tanks from the fast TD line (T49, Hellcat) behave similar compared to other LTs.
LTs in high tier matches are very crew-dependant. You'll need every inch in view range you can get and secondaries.
Apart from wotguru.com and sometimes the old wotarmory.com I suggest to look at Battle Mechanics @ wiki.worldoftanks.eu.
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Side and rear values aren't a major point of comparison among heavies. The E-100, the Maus, and the IS-4 have incredible side and back armor -- the IS-4 especially. They're not chosen for that though. Gun >= Mobility > Versatility/Utility >> Armor. Tanks are not expected to fight with their sides or back facing perpendicular towards the enemy. I say again that if you're out of position being "half flanked," you or your team failed strategically to allow that to happen. It's 15v15, in order to have two enemies on you would require one teammate being somewhere else. In pubs thats an issue of both bad pugs and the M103 driver not having the foresight to realize he COULD be overwhelmed. There isn't a predetermination to leave you out of position because of a map. Some maps have great hulldowns and others do not, but it's your team that ultimately determines how well you're positioned -- not the tank or the map. The great thing about flow is that players with 70%+ winrates are often able to dictate it through their positional awareness -- even in a "medicore" m103 (without the medicore). In tournament meta matches that is entirely the failure of the team -- or the success of the enemy, rather.
Statistically speaking though, you're just wrong. M103 is dead center in the middle among the tanks you had just praised, and those statistics should be taken with a grain of salt considering it's predominantly average skill level players these statistics use. Tanks like the E-75 or ST-I are much more forgiving to play as opposed to an M103. I'd also love to know whose profiles you're quoting as saying never being higher than 55%. Am I supposed to simply take what you say for granted as fact? I could literally just say I most certainly do see M103 players above 60% W/R, because not only is it the single most played tier 9 heavy, it actually has a LOT of good players with very high winrates of 60%+. I'm also not sure you've ever played an IS-8 though because it's one of the most under-armored tanks of tier 9, just ahead of the AMX 120 (one of the most HIGHLY rated tier 9 tanks), except without the amazing auto-loader. And it's gun most definitely isn't penning the M103 unless it gets a clean shot to the lower glacis plate. Same statistics, IS-8 is the single worst tier 9 heavy, and worse than many other tier 9 tanks along with that. Have you even played it before? It's gun has good alpha and that is pretty much -it-. It's not accurate enough to actually pen much unless you're firing point blank into critical weakspots. But it doesn't have the armor to actually take hits to get in close, just the speed to pull back. It's a really confused medium tank, similar to the KV-1S, except it doesn't have the overpowered gun relative to it's tier as the KV-1S did. IS-8's gun is inferior to the M103's. It turns out that simply shedding away with armor for full blown speed is actually just a better idea for a tank. (See best tier 9 med, T54).
You also need to realize, again, that the T29 onwards shares the same weaknesses as the m103. The T29, the T32, the M103, and the T110E5 ALL have the same theme of a very squishy hull, and being very positionally oriented tanks. Minus the T32 however, they all arguably have the best guns of their tier, and they're all among the most mobile of heavy tanks. Statistically, the T110E5 is actually rated among the "lower" half of tier X heavies in it's performance on average in pubs, yet for as long as the IS-7 has been nerfed it's been unanimously regarded as the single best tier 10 tank, with only the T57 next to it to rival. No other heavy tank even comes close to how much it's used. M103 is the same tank wrapped in a lower tier shell. Same great gun tier wise, same above average mobility, same amazing turret, same amazing american tank. I can probably say if you hate the M103, you'll definitely hate the E5.
As for your notion of imbalance, the IS-8 never goes above 40 on flat land. Historically, the hellcat never used it's amazing 90mm either. Historical accuracy is great but the game also has to be balanced and playable. If you expect an arcade tank game of this magnitude to be historically accurate, well I don't know what to tell you -- your expectations are way too unrealistic. I don't know if your disdain for the M103 was wrought from personal experience playing it, but you have no case whatsoever saying it's below average, let alone bad. You may not like it, but it's far from being a "bad" tank. For how much you love to throw around (or at least imply) Russian bias, go play the Russian line. Grind all the way to an IS-7 or IS-4 and have fun being rejected by any top clan for trying to play one of the worst tier 10 tanks in the game. #russianbias
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Not butting in, but here:
As for your notion of imbalance, the IS-8 never goes above 40 on flat land. Historically, the hellcat never used it's amazing 90mm either. Historical accuracy is great but the game also has to be balanced and playable. If you expect an arcade tank game of this magnitude to be historically accurate, well I don't know what to tell you -- your expectations are way too unrealistic. I don't know if your disdain for the M103 was wrought from personal experience playing it, but you have no case whatsoever saying it's below average, let alone bad. You may not like it, but it's far from being a "bad" tank. For how much you love to throw around (or at least imply) Russian bias, go play the Russian line. Grind all the way to an IS-7 or IS-4 and have fun being rejected by any top clan for trying to play one of the worst tier 10 tanks in the game. #russianbias
.. you're wrong. Clearly. Especially if you play the game since the beginning and "lived through" alot, if not all the changes they made to accomodate russian tanks. Or, as was even stated by one of the main devs, hurt german performances because his grandmother was slaughtered by german tanks (actual statement, without the hurting part). There is a reason why german gunmantles were broken for so long. And i mean literally broken, you could penetrate a maus with autoaim and HE from a M4 in the gunmantle. There's a reason why they buffed the IS4 shortly after beta, even though it outperformed everything prebuff. Did you know what they "fix"? The drivers hatch, one of two vulnerable spots at the front. Every single tank has it, cupolas and drivers hatches - yet the IS4 got "fixed". Arty pre-T7/T8, compare SU14 vs the rest of arties ingame. Oh and don't forget that the S-51 was T5 (you know, having the Obj212 gun there is kinda.. you know).
What Perscienter means is that russian tanks get buffed "for historical reasons" even if they outperform their tier, and other (not russian) tanks get nerfed for balance reasons. But they never got nerfed for historical reasons, at least for a long time. Remember stuff like the 107 on KV1? Never had it. The 152mm derpgun? Never had it, that was actually an entirely different tank (KV-2). Stuff like D10T on T34-85, completely op on its tier, it took them years to "fix it". Tell me one single russian tank that was underperforming, there is none. Because they made shit up to make them more powerful, 122mm on SU-100? It's called SU-100 for a reason, and that reason is NOT to have a 122. Never had it, yet it has it ingame. Still. That's historically not correct, and also retardedly op.
At least i think that's what perscienter meant, and he is right there. If not, well, .. What i said is still correct. Up to now.
PS: historically, not all german tanks had their engines/transmissions behind the lower glacis plate, yet ingame, that's the case. Guess what..
Edit: can't speak for the US tanks though, except that the only really decent US tank in clanwars of old (outperforming russians in damage) was nerfed badly by entirely changing it's class and tier. Balancewise and historically bullshit. T30 is almost identical to the T29 (in fact, they developed them parallel), except some modifications on the chassis to hold a different engine, and some modifications on the actual T29 turret to hold the 155mm. It was NEVER a TD in real life. And also, it was an autoloader. At least, that's where they were headed. It actually got mounted with revolvermag in a prototype of the T58 which was developed (and scrapped, but nevertheless) as replacement for the M103 (also not ingame, why?).
There's so much shit they added for the russian tanks (D10T on tanks which never had it etc), and so much (good) stuff they left out for other nations, it's not even funny.
Edit2: biggest statement for russian bias btw is this:
In this project never has and never will be banned clans with names like NKVD, SMERSH or others related to USSR organs. First of all - those organs are considered not criminal, and second - we ourselves find them not criminal. If you think different - that's your problem. Read normal/correct history literature and you will find out much of new and interesting things [on this case].
Come on. Even on the russian forum, russians were talking about bias when they introduced yet another nerf for the E-series (transmission to front with no historical data). That kinda tells a story to me.
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On June 09 2013 18:36 m4inbrain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Not butting in, but here: As for your notion of imbalance, the IS-8 never goes above 40 on flat land. Historically, the hellcat never used it's amazing 90mm either. Historical accuracy is great but the game also has to be balanced and playable. If you expect an arcade tank game of this magnitude to be historically accurate, well I don't know what to tell you -- your expectations are way too unrealistic. I don't know if your disdain for the M103 was wrought from personal experience playing it, but you have no case whatsoever saying it's below average, let alone bad. You may not like it, but it's far from being a "bad" tank. For how much you love to throw around (or at least imply) Russian bias, go play the Russian line. Grind all the way to an IS-7 or IS-4 and have fun being rejected by any top clan for trying to play one of the worst tier 10 tanks in the game. #russianbias .. you're wrong. Clearly. Especially if you play the game since the beginning and "lived through" alot, if not all the changes they made to accomodate russian tanks. Or, as was even stated by one of the main devs, hurt german performances because his grandmother was slaughtered by german tanks (actual statement, without the hurting part). There is a reason why german gunmantles were broken for so long. And i mean literally broken, you could penetrate a maus with autoaim and HE from a M4 in the gunmantle. There's a reason why they buffed the IS4 shortly after beta, even though it outperformed everything prebuff. Did you know what they "fix"? The drivers hatch, one of two vulnerable spots at the front. Every single tank has it, cupolas and drivers hatches - yet the IS4 got "fixed". Arty pre-T7/T8, compare SU14 vs the rest of arties ingame. Oh and don't forget that the S-51 was T5 (you know, having the Obj212 gun there is kinda.. you know). What Perscienter means is that russian tanks get buffed "for historical reasons" even if they outperform their tier, and other (not russian) tanks get nerfed for balance reasons. But they never got nerfed for historical reasons, at least for a long time. Remember stuff like the 107 on KV1? Never had it. The 152mm derpgun? Never had it, that was actually an entirely different tank (KV-2). Stuff like D10T on T34-85, completely op on its tier, it took them years to "fix it". Tell me one single russian tank that was underperforming, there is none. Because they made shit up to make them more powerful, 122mm on SU-100? It's called SU-100 for a reason, and that reason is NOT to have a 122. Never had it, yet it has it ingame. Still. That's historically not correct, and also retardedly op. At least i think that's what perscienter meant, and he is right there. If not, well, .. What i said is still correct. Up to now. PS: historically, not all german tanks had their engines/transmissions behind the lower glacis plate, yet ingame, that's the case. Guess what.. Edit: can't speak for the US tanks though, except that the only really decent US tank in clanwars of old (outperforming russians in damage) was nerfed badly by entirely changing it's class and tier. Balancewise and historically bullshit. T30 is almost identical to the T29 (in fact, they developed them parallel), except some modifications on the chassis to hold a different engine, and some modifications on the actual T29 turret to hold the 155mm. It was NEVER a TD in real life. And also, it was an autoloader. At least, that's where they were headed. It actually got mounted with revolvermag in a prototype of the T58 which was developed (and scrapped, but nevertheless) as replacement for the M103 (also not ingame, why?). There's so much shit they added for the russian tanks (D10T on tanks which never had it etc), and so much (good) stuff they left out for other nations, it's not even funny. Edit2: biggest statement for russian bias btw is this: In this project never has and never will be banned clans with names like NKVD, SMERSH or others related to USSR organs. First of all - those organs are considered not criminal, and second - we ourselves find them not criminal. If you think different - that's your problem. Read normal/correct history literature and you will find out much of new and interesting things [on this case]. Come on. Even on the russian forum, russians were talking about bias when they introduced yet another nerf for the E-series (transmission to front with no historical data). That kinda tells a story to me.
Lol? He implied ALL of that wall of text you just said? By comparing the speeds of two vehicles yet conveniently ignoring the fact that one was also historically inaccurate with an OP gun -- that ironically isn't Russian?. I mean, you DID read what he said right? The IS-8's speed is historically inaccurate in that it was too fast, and the hellcat is historically inaccurate that it's too slow, yet the Hellcat is arguably one of the best tier 6 tanks currently and has -the- best gun when it comes to versatility -- a gun which the hellcat never had historically. I really don't care about YOUR opinion over Russian bias. When you bring the conversation back into context, he was trying to fluff up the IS-8 to create a greater contrast in support of his argument that the M103 sucks. The IS-8 is pretty fast yet it's still pretty terrible, regardless of any "Russian bias" which consequently resulted in an unhistorical speed buff, and it's certainly not better than the M103.
It would probably help if you actually read the related posts both before and after, before you quote me out of context; especially since it concerns American tanks almost exclusively. The wonderful irony that you graciously edited (probably after you read past Russian bias) that the topic actually had nothing to do with your tangential rant.
Everything else you just said is great and all, yet still Russia has two of the worst tier 9 and tier 10 heavy tanks (and arguably in the running for the worst tier 9 and tier 10 tanks overall) to crown their "overpowered" lines. You can yell Russian bias until you're blue in the face, but it's not going to change the fact that Russia isn't the only nation now that has overpowered tanks for various tiers. Germany's heavies blow too but they were very recently granted a contender to overthrow the T-62a from competition with the ever glorious Leopard 1. I'd love for some Russian bias so I wouldn't have had to switch nation trees entirely.
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On June 09 2013 19:40 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 18:36 m4inbrain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Not butting in, but here: As for your notion of imbalance, the IS-8 never goes above 40 on flat land. Historically, the hellcat never used it's amazing 90mm either. Historical accuracy is great but the game also has to be balanced and playable. If you expect an arcade tank game of this magnitude to be historically accurate, well I don't know what to tell you -- your expectations are way too unrealistic. I don't know if your disdain for the M103 was wrought from personal experience playing it, but you have no case whatsoever saying it's below average, let alone bad. You may not like it, but it's far from being a "bad" tank. For how much you love to throw around (or at least imply) Russian bias, go play the Russian line. Grind all the way to an IS-7 or IS-4 and have fun being rejected by any top clan for trying to play one of the worst tier 10 tanks in the game. #russianbias .. you're wrong. Clearly. Especially if you play the game since the beginning and "lived through" alot, if not all the changes they made to accomodate russian tanks. Or, as was even stated by one of the main devs, hurt german performances because his grandmother was slaughtered by german tanks (actual statement, without the hurting part). There is a reason why german gunmantles were broken for so long. And i mean literally broken, you could penetrate a maus with autoaim and HE from a M4 in the gunmantle. There's a reason why they buffed the IS4 shortly after beta, even though it outperformed everything prebuff. Did you know what they "fix"? The drivers hatch, one of two vulnerable spots at the front. Every single tank has it, cupolas and drivers hatches - yet the IS4 got "fixed". Arty pre-T7/T8, compare SU14 vs the rest of arties ingame. Oh and don't forget that the S-51 was T5 (you know, having the Obj212 gun there is kinda.. you know). What Perscienter means is that russian tanks get buffed "for historical reasons" even if they outperform their tier, and other (not russian) tanks get nerfed for balance reasons. But they never got nerfed for historical reasons, at least for a long time. Remember stuff like the 107 on KV1? Never had it. The 152mm derpgun? Never had it, that was actually an entirely different tank (KV-2). Stuff like D10T on T34-85, completely op on its tier, it took them years to "fix it". Tell me one single russian tank that was underperforming, there is none. Because they made shit up to make them more powerful, 122mm on SU-100? It's called SU-100 for a reason, and that reason is NOT to have a 122. Never had it, yet it has it ingame. Still. That's historically not correct, and also retardedly op. At least i think that's what perscienter meant, and he is right there. If not, well, .. What i said is still correct. Up to now. PS: historically, not all german tanks had their engines/transmissions behind the lower glacis plate, yet ingame, that's the case. Guess what.. Edit: can't speak for the US tanks though, except that the only really decent US tank in clanwars of old (outperforming russians in damage) was nerfed badly by entirely changing it's class and tier. Balancewise and historically bullshit. T30 is almost identical to the T29 (in fact, they developed them parallel), except some modifications on the chassis to hold a different engine, and some modifications on the actual T29 turret to hold the 155mm. It was NEVER a TD in real life. And also, it was an autoloader. At least, that's where they were headed. It actually got mounted with revolvermag in a prototype of the T58 which was developed (and scrapped, but nevertheless) as replacement for the M103 (also not ingame, why?). There's so much shit they added for the russian tanks (D10T on tanks which never had it etc), and so much (good) stuff they left out for other nations, it's not even funny. Edit2: biggest statement for russian bias btw is this: In this project never has and never will be banned clans with names like NKVD, SMERSH or others related to USSR organs. First of all - those organs are considered not criminal, and second - we ourselves find them not criminal. If you think different - that's your problem. Read normal/correct history literature and you will find out much of new and interesting things [on this case]. Come on. Even on the russian forum, russians were talking about bias when they introduced yet another nerf for the E-series (transmission to front with no historical data). That kinda tells a story to me. Lol? He implied ALL of that wall of text you just said? By comparing the speeds of two vehicles yet conveniently ignoring the fact that one was also historically inaccurate with an OP gun -- that ironically isn't Russian?. I mean, you DID read what he said right? The IS-8's speed is historically inaccurate in that it was too fast, and the hellcat is historically inaccurate that it's too slow, yet the Hellcat is arguably one of the best tier 6 tanks currently and has -the- best gun when it comes to versatility -- a gun which the hellcat never had historically. I really don't care about YOUR opinion over Russian bias. When you bring the conversation back into context, he was trying to fluff up the IS-8 to create a greater contrast in support of his argument that the M103 sucks. The IS-8 is pretty fast yet it's still pretty terrible, regardless of any "Russian bias" which consequently resulted in an unhistorical speed buff, and it's certainly not better than the M103.
The M18 is historically correct in the gun department. I recommend reading up on stuff before shouting like a baws. I recommend wikipedia, even there you could read it up easily without going to "in-depth-stuff". But lovely that you don't care about "MY" opinion, and then just start spilling yours, somehow thinking that i might be interested in that. Even after showing in the second sentence that you don't even know what you're talking about.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.vn-parabellum.com/images/us-m18_11.jpg) There you go. Couple of words you could google would be "T70 GMC", "Super Hellcat" etc. Oh and just to make sure, the picture shows an actuall 90mm Hellcat.
It would probably help if you actually read the related posts both before and after, before you quote me out of context; especially since it concerns American tanks almost exclusively. The wonderful irony that you graciously edited (probably after you read past Russian bias) that the topic actually had nothing to do with your tangential rant.
I didn't quote out of context, i actually said that i don't want to butt in in that discussion. And i clearly did not comment on the M103s performance and more.
Everything else you just said is great and all, yet still Russia has two of the worst tier 9 and tier 10 heavy tanks (and arguably in the running for the worst tier 9 and tier 10 tanks overall) to crown their "overpowered" lines. You can yell Russian bias until you're blue in the face, but it's not going to change the fact that Russia isn't the only nation now that has overpowered tanks for various tiers. Germany's heavies blow too but they were very recently granted a contender to overthrow the T-62a from competition with the ever glorious Leopard 1. I'd love for some Russian bias so I wouldn't have had to switch nation trees entirely.
I don't even know where that crap is coming from. The IS-7 is crap (now), granted. They still have the IS-4, might want to tell me where that is (edit: 2nd best T10 heavy just after T57, by a small margin, just to make sure since you actually stated that the IS-4 is one of the worst T10 heavies ingame)? Oh and could you tell me what tank is before the IS-4 in this line, you know, outperforming the E-75 and M103? The IS-7 line got raped by the armor change in 8.0, not because they nerfed them specifically. IS-7 was mandatory in CWs (and actually the "filler-tank") for a reason. Also, i don't think german heavies blow. They're actually quite decent, especially KT and E-75, also the VK36. Which i would consider op even. And funny enough, the Leo1 isn't a contender, i don't even know where that came from. It's ranked behind the E50M even. I'm sorry, if you really need to switch away from russian tanks in any but the IS-7-line, it's not the tanks. Believe me.
And about my post in general:
WG is so ******* complacent about historical accuracy it's unbelievable.
Yeah, i completely missed his point. Btw, you can see where i edit, because i write "edit" next to it. Next time first of all try to communicate normal and try not to be patronizing, especially if you're spouting wrong information, and secondly, check your facts. Makes "discussing" way easier, could've saved 3/4 of my posting.
Edit: i will admit that they are on a, how do you say it in english, like "on an upwards escalator". It was way worse only a year ago, but it's still not gone.
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The M18 is historically correct in the gun department. I recommend reading up on stuff before shouting like a baws. I recommend wikipedia, even there you could read it up easily without going to "in-depth-stuff". But lovely that you don't care about "MY" opinion, and then just start spilling yours, somehow thinking that i might be interested in that. Even after showing in the second sentence that you don't even know what you're talking about.
There you go. Couple of words you could google would be "T70 GMC", "Super Hellcat" etc. Oh and just to make sure, the picture shows an actuall 90mm Hellcat.
Unfortunately the actual M18 Hellcat never had a 90mm gun. Never. Not once. 76mm from the start of the war until the end. T70 GMC was the original designation name, and it too used the 76. There was an attempt to MOUNT the 90mm onto the hellcat, but it not only never got beyond the prototype stage, it wasn't even an M18 Hellcat, it was the Super Hellcat. It never existed; it was an experimental tank, not the M18. M36 existed specifically to mount the more effective 90mm. Sry bud. Theres no way you're defending this, ontop of the fact that even trying to defend blatant historical inaccuracies is futile considering this game requires them to function with any remote balance.
I don't even know where that crap is coming from. The IS-7 is crap (now), granted. They still have the IS-4, might want to tell me where that is? Oh and could you tell me what tank is before the IS-4 in this line, you know, outperforming the E-75 and M103? The IS-7 line got raped by the armor change in 8.0, not because they nerfed them specifically. IS-7 was mandatory in CWs (and actually the "filler-tank") for a reason. Also, i don't think german heavies blow. They're actually quite decent, especially KT and E-75, also the VK36. Which i would consider op even. And funny enough, the Leo1 isn't a contender, i don't even know where that came from. It's ranked behind the E50M even. I'm sorry, if you really need to switch away from russian tanks in any but the IS-7-line, it's not the tanks. Believe me.
KT and E-75 are great for pub stomping and thats pretty much it. Their tier 10 variants are sub-par and non-existent anywhere other than for filling in for locked tanks in clan wars. When someone says German heavies blow it's a very accurate statement; They blow. As for the Leo 1, yes, it's a contender. You can throw around pub statistics until you're blue in the face (see what I did there?), but it doesn't change the fact it not only offers everything the BatChat and T-62a do and more, it actually is being utilized competitively on an equal level.
Next you're gonna tell me that the E5 isn't a contender either because it's within the bottom half of tier 10 heavies in random battle statistics too? (I'm restating this for you because at this point I'm confident you probably didn't catch it) That, and I literally acknowledged that the IS-7 was nerfed in my response to you. Did I NOT just tell you one post ago to completely read the entirety of a discussion -- let alone an individual post before you fly off into your tunnel vision rants? How many times do you have to be told before you figure it out?
I didn't quote out of context, i actually said that i don't want to butt in in that discussion. And i clearly did not comment on the M103s performance and more.
And thats precisely the problem. The poster I was originally quoting crow-barred into his discussion an implicit nod to "Russian" bias as evidence of his argument over the M103. You quoted out of context. Why don't you stay out of discussions you can't be assed to read, let alone contribute anything factual or relevant to? Thanks.
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Speaking of reading, I never wrote
On June 09 2013 19:40 rd wrote:
... that the M103 sucks.
Rather:
On June 09 2013 07:53 Perscienter wrote:
You can see the armour values for sides and rear and compare them to the other tier IX heavies. The M103 belongs to the bad half of tier IX tanks. ... That is, because the M103 is just mediocre.
On June 09 2013 19:40 rd wrote:
When you bring the conversation back into context, he was trying to fluff up the IS-8 ... The IS-8 is pretty fast yet it's still pretty terrible, regardless of any "Russian bias" which consequently resulted in an unhistorical speed buff, and it's certainly not better than the M103.
Never wrote it.
On June 09 2013 07:53 Perscienter wrote:
I can compare it to the IS-8.
I rather compared them. An the IS-8 has some saving characteristics. For instance the chaotic armour scheme (these are pictures from before computational changes).
Top hatch almost not tangible, extremely hard to hit.
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Small weak-spots in front, but very hard to hit. The nose is its weakness, but hard to hit from mid-distance and above.
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Side penetration above the tracks a gamble:
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You write its gun is bad, but they gave it 268 mm AP penetration, one mm less than an M58 and higher alpha than that one. HEAT ammo has more penetration (400) than on M103. Again, a typical sneaky, hidden buff. There are plenty of opportunities to reach top speed, too, and many terrain with a little slope, where you only show the turret.
Frontally, there are plenty of places to reliably penetrate M103s.
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On June 09 2013 15:50 rd wrote:
Side and rear values aren't a major point of comparison among heavies.
No comment.
On June 09 2013 15:50 rd wrote:
The E-100, the Maus, and the IS-4 have incredible side and back armor -- the IS-4 especially. They're not chosen for that though. Gun >= Mobility > Versatility/Utility >> Armor. Tanks are not expected to fight with their sides or back facing perpendicular towards the enemy. I say again that if you're out of position being "half flanked," you or your team failed strategically to allow that to happen. It's 15v15, in order to have two enemies on you would require one teammate being somewhere else. In pubs thats an issue of both bad pugs and the M103 driver not having the foresight to realize he COULD be overwhelmed.
If you have the foresight not to go into a battle, because it's too risky, you risk your team going down. 1/3 of pub matches are 14 vs. 8 after two minutes. It's mostly random, if your team thinks strategically.
On June 09 2013 15:50 rd wrote:The great thing about flow is that players with 70%+ winrates are often able to dictate it through their positional awareness -- even in a "medicore" m103 (without the medicore). In tournament meta matches that is entirely the failure of the team -- or the success of the enemy, rather.
I rather think 70%+ win rate players dictate it through voice communication and often use gold shells. ;-)
On June 09 2013 15:50 rd wrote:
I'd also love to know whose profiles you're quoting as saying never being higher than 55%.
On June 09 2013 07:53 Perscienter wrote:
most people can have above average win rates, but usually not 55%, 60% and so forth, so no win ratios of really good tanks. That is, because the M103 is just mediocre.
On June 09 2013 15:50 rd wrote:
You also need to realize, again, that the T29 onwards shares the same weaknesses as the m103. The T29, the T32, the M103, and the T110E5 ALL have the same theme of a very squishy hull, and being very positionally oriented tanks. Minus the T32 however, they all arguably have the best guns of their tier, and they're all among the most mobile of heavy tanks. Statistically, the T110E5 is actually rated among the "lower" half of tier X heavies in it's performance on average in pubs, yet for as long as the IS-7 has been nerfed it's been unanimously regarded as the single best tier 10 tank, with only the T57 next to it to rival. No other heavy tank even comes close to how much it's used. M103 is the same tank wrapped in a lower tier shell. Same great gun tier wise, same above average mobility, same amazing turret, same amazing american tank. I can probably say if you hate the M103, you'll definitely hate the E5.
Just compared to other heavies, its mobility is above average, but still pretty curbed. I don't know of which stats you are speaking. Only T29, T34 and the T30 with the T32 being slightly an outsider are very similar in their setup.
On June 09 2013 15:50 rd wrote:
As for your notion of imbalance, the IS-8 never goes above 40 on flat land. Historically, the hellcat never used it's amazing 90mm either. Historical accuracy is great but the game also has to be balanced and playable. If you expect an arcade tank game of this magnitude to be historically accurate, well I don't know what to tell you -- your expectations are way too unrealistic. I don't know if your disdain for the M103 was wrought from personal experience playing it, but you have no case whatsoever saying it's below average, let alone bad. You may not like it, but it's far from being a "bad" tank. For how much you love to throw around (or at least imply) Russian bias, go play the Russian line. Grind all the way to an IS-7 or IS-4 and have fun being rejected by any top clan for trying to play one of the worst tier 10 tanks in the game. #russianbias
There was a 90 mm Hellcat prototype. Whether or not it was completed, I don't know. WG uses many prototypes and tanks, which only existed on paper (Indien-Panzer).
IS-7 and IS-4 were op tanks (tier VIII and IX). WG nerfed them, when they had supplements. Who cares about bad heavy tanks, when there are strong mediums. You mentioned them yourselves.
Take a look at WG's tournaments. Super 6 and Easy 8. KV-1S and IS-3 are the standard tanks in these tournaments and the most popular ones.
On June 09 2013 19:40 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 18:36 m4inbrain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Not butting in, but here: As for your notion of imbalance, the IS-8 never goes above 40 on flat land. Historically, the hellcat never used it's amazing 90mm either. Historical accuracy is great but the game also has to be balanced and playable. If you expect an arcade tank game of this magnitude to be historically accurate, well I don't know what to tell you -- your expectations are way too unrealistic. I don't know if your disdain for the M103 was wrought from personal experience playing it, but you have no case whatsoever saying it's below average, let alone bad. You may not like it, but it's far from being a "bad" tank. For how much you love to throw around (or at least imply) Russian bias, go play the Russian line. Grind all the way to an IS-7 or IS-4 and have fun being rejected by any top clan for trying to play one of the worst tier 10 tanks in the game. #russianbias .. you're wrong. Clearly. Especially if you play the game since the beginning and "lived through" alot, if not all the changes they made to accomodate russian tanks. Or, as was even stated by one of the main devs, hurt german performances because his grandmother was slaughtered by german tanks (actual statement, without the hurting part). There is a reason why german gunmantles were broken for so long. And i mean literally broken, you could penetrate a maus with autoaim and HE from a M4 in the gunmantle. There's a reason why they buffed the IS4 shortly after beta, even though it outperformed everything prebuff. Did you know what they "fix"? The drivers hatch, one of two vulnerable spots at the front. Every single tank has it, cupolas and drivers hatches - yet the IS4 got "fixed". Arty pre-T7/T8, compare SU14 vs the rest of arties ingame. Oh and don't forget that the S-51 was T5 (you know, having the Obj212 gun there is kinda.. you know). What Perscienter means is that russian tanks get buffed "for historical reasons" even if they outperform their tier, and other (not russian) tanks get nerfed for balance reasons. But they never got nerfed for historical reasons, at least for a long time. Remember stuff like the 107 on KV1? Never had it. The 152mm derpgun? Never had it, that was actually an entirely different tank (KV-2). Stuff like D10T on T34-85, completely op on its tier, it took them years to "fix it". Tell me one single russian tank that was underperforming, there is none. Because they made shit up to make them more powerful, 122mm on SU-100? It's called SU-100 for a reason, and that reason is NOT to have a 122. Never had it, yet it has it ingame. Still. That's historically not correct, and also retardedly op. At least i think that's what perscienter meant, and he is right there. If not, well, .. What i said is still correct. Up to now. PS: historically, not all german tanks had their engines/transmissions behind the lower glacis plate, yet ingame, that's the case. Guess what.. Edit: can't speak for the US tanks though, except that the only really decent US tank in clanwars of old (outperforming russians in damage) was nerfed badly by entirely changing it's class and tier. Balancewise and historically bullshit. T30 is almost identical to the T29 (in fact, they developed them parallel), except some modifications on the chassis to hold a different engine, and some modifications on the actual T29 turret to hold the 155mm. It was NEVER a TD in real life. And also, it was an autoloader. At least, that's where they were headed. It actually got mounted with revolvermag in a prototype of the T58 which was developed (and scrapped, but nevertheless) as replacement for the M103 (also not ingame, why?). There's so much shit they added for the russian tanks (D10T on tanks which never had it etc), and so much (good) stuff they left out for other nations, it's not even funny. Edit2: biggest statement for russian bias btw is this: In this project never has and never will be banned clans with names like NKVD, SMERSH or others related to USSR organs. First of all - those organs are considered not criminal, and second - we ourselves find them not criminal. If you think different - that's your problem. Read normal/correct history literature and you will find out much of new and interesting things [on this case]. Come on. Even on the russian forum, russians were talking about bias when they introduced yet another nerf for the E-series (transmission to front with no historical data). That kinda tells a story to me. Lol? He implied ALL of that wall of text you just said? By comparing the speeds of two vehicles yet conveniently ignoring the fact that one was also historically inaccurate with an OP gun -- that ironically isn't Russian?. I mean, you DID read what he said right? The IS-8's speed is historically inaccurate in that it was too fast, and the hellcat is historically inaccurate that it's too slow, yet the Hellcat is arguably one of the best tier 6 tanks currently and has -the- best gun when it comes to versatility -- a gun which the hellcat never had historically. I really don't care about YOUR opinion over Russian bias. When you bring the conversation back into context, he was trying to fluff up the IS-8 to create a greater contrast in support of his argument that the M103 sucks. The IS-8 is pretty fast yet it's still pretty terrible, regardless of any "Russian bias" which consequently resulted in an unhistorical speed buff, and it's certainly not better than the M103. It would probably help if you actually read the related posts both before and after, before you quote me out of context; especially since it concerns American tanks almost exclusively. The wonderful irony that you graciously edited (probably after you read past Russian bias) that the topic actually had nothing to do with your tangential rant. Everything else you just said is great and all, yet still Russia has two of the worst tier 9 and tier 10 heavy tanks (and arguably in the running for the worst tier 9 and tier 10 tanks overall) to crown their "overpowered" lines. You can yell Russian bias until you're blue in the face, but it's not going to change the fact that Russia isn't the only nation now that has overpowered tanks for various tiers. Germany's heavies blow too but they were very recently granted a contender to overthrow the T-62a from competition with the ever glorious Leopard 1. I'd love for some Russian bias so I wouldn't have had to switch nation trees entirely.
Yes, I implied ALL of that. ;-) The Hellcat carries other secret nerfs with it around, for instance the turret traverse speed. It had 24°/s, in WoT it's only 16. KV-2 had 6°/s, in WoT it's 16. When you follow WG for a while, you'll notice many of these small adjustments.
Like I said, who cares about IS-4 and IS-7? By now they have the Obj. 263 and 268.
Leopard 1 will be battered against any HE user. I don't see how it will become the #1 tank in WoT.
On June 09 2013 22:05 rd wrote:
KT and E-75 are great for pub stomping and thats pretty much it. Their tier 10 variants are sub-par and non-existent anywhere other than for filling in for locked tanks in clan wars. When someone says German heavies blow it's a very accurate statement; They blow. As for the Leo 1, yes, it's a contender. You can throw around pub statistics until you're blue in the face (see what I did there?), but it doesn't change the fact it not only offers everything the BatChat and T-62a do and more, it actually is being utilized competitively on an equal level.
No comment.
On June 09 2013 22:05 rd wrote:
Next you're gonna tell me that the E5 isn't a contender either because it's within the bottom half of tier 10 heavies in random battle statistics too? (I'm restating this for you because at this point I'm confident you probably didn't catch it) That, and I literally acknowledged that the IS-7 was nerfed in my response to you. Did I NOT just tell you one post ago to completely read the entirety of a discussion -- let alone an individual post before you fly off into your tunnel vision rants? How many times do you have to be told before you figure it out?
There is a lot going on in tier IX and X. Did you look at the new tanks? T57, FV215b, WZ-111 model 1-4, AMX 50 Foch, AMX 50 Foch 155, Object 263 and 268, Tortoise. You are talking about pre-0.8 balance.
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KV-1 and KV-1s op 
Anyway, anyone watching WGL Golden League Finals?
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So I'm still a noob but this game felt good.
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Easily my best game so far.
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