EPT[Civ 4] Game 4 - Team B - Page 8
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
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Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On July 28 2010 09:02 crate wrote: I thought Academies were a special case that didn't double culture after 1000 years. Hmmm, strange but true. And somehow, other GP buildings (shrines) don't. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On July 30 2010 05:57 igotmyown wrote: Hmmm, strange but true. And somehow, other GP buildings (shrines) don't. What about military academies? I must learn random trivia about this game! | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17435 Posts
And you'll probably want to unlock unlimited specialists anyway. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
God has blessed His selected leader by granting York additional commerce in the city tile ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/nY018.jpg) After obtaining the knowledge of currency, the peace-loving and cultured England decided to pursue the art of aesthetics. But behold! The heathen nations who does not appreciate art has made ridiculous demands one after another. First comes Hannibal, the panther killing barbarian ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/LEDnN.jpg) I rejected his demand because he is too far away to be of any threat to us. But then, our archrival Teamliquid A also made an outrageous demand ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/QorvB.jpg) There is no way I am giving our archrival a military tech. After two refusals, I feel my reign has come to an end. But before I leave, I founded our GPfarm#1 city. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/5K9jx.jpg) The empire as of now. The capital can hire scientists, so if we really don't want a great prophet, we can 2 scientists and have a 6:2 sci to proph ratio Save file: [url blocked] | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17435 Posts
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DatTheMighty
Vietnam122 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17435 Posts
On August 01 2010 05:18 DatTheMighty wrote: Oh man i've been practicing a lot of civ 4 lately, i think i am ready to play with you guys next time this come around. i am like between prince and monarch now, i suck at waging war though, only good at space and culture victory =D anyways good luck guys. If you want to practive military, then start the easy way: 1. Pick Catherine (expansive lets you settle early towns faster and creative makes sure you don't need this monuments that bad, if at all, and you gain land faster) 2. Focus on just expanding/getting rich early on 3. When cossacks kick in, you rule the world, this guy own everything before infantry, and even when inf shows up, they're still great for running around and stirring some chaos | ||
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Keilah
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Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
And under his guidance a new era began in the Imperium of England. I shall now iterate his reign. The first order set by our new King was to mine the gems and build a workboat in our Glorius capital. Our great King had to refuse a stupid demand from the inferior Incans. After much haggeling we finally agreed upon a trade which gave us the wisdom of Monarchy and Polytheism for the knowledge of Alphabet and Iron working. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/thesnigel/Teamliquid/Civ4ScreenShot0000.jpg Our great King also decided we should work extra hard to complete our market even though complaints were raised they were mere whisperes. Our Imperium came face to face with a new species of mankind they called themself the Chinese, their great leader had named himself after the great god Jaedongius which could only strenghten our relasionship. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/thesnigel/Teamliquid/Civ4ScreenShot0001.jpg For good or for worse Hinduism spread in our capital, we tried to eliminate them but they were a bigger plauge then anticipated and we had our slaves build missionaries from our own religion to counter this threat. After Astetics finished we could finally trade with the vile Wang kon with subtile tactics we finally settled our trade with Math and Mansory for Astetics and Priesthood. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/thesnigel/Teamliquid/Civ4ScreenShot0002.jpg The gods mocked us with their laughter as they struck our capital for worshiping false gods, Flahius struck us with a Hurricane which destroyed our market and Granary. Desperate to repair the damage we would have to bring in many slaves from outside the Empire. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/thesnigel/Teamliquid/Civ4ScreenShot0003.jpg We also whiped our slaves to build a library in York. Halfway trueought the reign of Lunaticman we finally discovered Litteratur and with it our leader was struck by a crazy idea of trading Montoheism for Alphabet with the great and foolish leader of Hammurabi. Some though he was crazy or doing this but knowing Hammburabis civilization was so far behind and England would gain by making him stronger he agreed to the trade. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/thesnigel/Teamliquid/Civ4ScreenShot0004.jpg Shortly after our civilization fell into Anarchy as new ways was implemented the art of religion was taught to hasten construction and militiary presence would bring peace and order into our Lands. Slaves were told to construct a Granary in one of our cities. I refused a foolish threat by the vile Wang Kon http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/thesnigel/Teamliquid/Civ4ScreenShot0005.jpg A workboat was used to start fishing bringing new wares to our Empire. After 3/4 of Lunaticmans life the great Nation of England came face to face with Cathrine of the russians http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/thesnigel/Teamliquid/Civ4ScreenShot0006.jpg The year's passed without much happening except one great tradgic accident. The Russians settled in our lands! They will have to pay dearly for this, unless we can sway them to our culture... http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/thesnigel/Teamliquid/Civ4ScreenShot0007.jpg The last years of Lunaticmans life passed without inccident he was threatend by the Incans and hannibal but thought nothing of the issue. As Lunaticman lay on his deathbead he could only ask for one thing. To spread their state religion far and wide so the gods would assume their favor of the Imperium before it was to late and they all would fall into ruin. That's it, I don't know a good way of uploading the save file though. Anyone got a good site I can use? | ||
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Keilah
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crate
United States2474 Posts
But then I've never tried for a cultural victory so I dunno how this meshes with that plan. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
The Wang threat is just obnoxious because you're going to get a -1 from SOMEONE for that demand and you don't gain any relations boost for accepting it. It is one of the main reasons you shouldn't open borders with too many civs at the same time. However, we need Wang to like us a LOT more than Hannibal, so I also don't like that move. We might consider peacefully closing borders with Wang if that many people don't like him though. That way we don't take a relations hit for closing and we won't get any more demands to stop trading. On August 02 2010 03:31 crate wrote: I really don't have much to add to this on Hannibal's demand.turning down Hannibal's demand for gems makes no sense (it likely doesn't even help him if you give in, since you obviously cancel it in 10 turns) In general, unless they're asking for your best tech or a city, you usually give in to most demands (with the exception of the "stop trading" demand which takes more thought). Good relations are very important and giving in to demands really helps that. | ||
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Keilah
731 Posts
On August 02 2010 03:31 crate wrote: I agree that turning down Hannibal's demand for gems makes no sense (it likely doesn't even help him if you give in, since you obviously cancel it in 10 turns), but I'm not sure that getting buddy-buddy with Wang Kon looks like a good move at this point. Notice that he's the worst enemy of 3 civs--trading with him a lot is a pretty big international diplomatic hit. If I were playing at this point I'd probably abandon the idea of keeping Wang as a trading partner and look toward getting good relations with someone else (Louis looks nice--same religion and sandwiches Wang in if you want to take him out). But then I've never tried for a cultural victory so I dunno how this meshes with that plan. Making an enemy of Wang forces us to build a military, which we don't want to do ever. We're running pacifism, working cottages, and building missionaries and temples, not military. If we really don't want to piss off other civs by being too nice to Wang, we can close borders and pray that's enough, but really, if we start giving in to all demands and being overly generous with trades, everyone will like us so much that a few denied 'stop trading' demands won't hurt. But really, Wang's the only one who can attack us non-amphibiously. | ||
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Keilah
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Keilah
731 Posts
Jesus, a barracks is going up in the culture city #2? I'm out guys, I can only tolerate so much stupidity. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On August 02 2010 16:10 Keilah wrote: asdfsafsadfsadfsadf Jesus, a barracks is going up in the culture city #2? I'm out guys, I can only tolerate so much stupidity. I'm going to have to call Keilah out on his continual rudeness, lack of respect for other people's opinions, and general immaturity. Kudos to him/her for reaching emperor level play without in depth research into the findings and conclusions of the contributors of civfanatics. But I feel he too strongly believes in his/her own game experience, and tries to hard to impress them upon other people, even when they are wrong and inefficient. I know it's pretty hard to argue on the internet, but it helps nobody when your debate tactics are primarily to shout louder than the opposition, and then to lash out when people are not following this quasi-consensus. I'm under the assumption these are fun/learning games, and if you don't commit a lot of time explaining why, you're just trying to make people do what you say. I'm concluding he/she clearly want to/are better off just play(ing) the whole game yourself, so I have to ask, why bother participating in the succession format when you can shadow it to your satisfaction yourself? | ||
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Keilah
731 Posts
On August 02 2010 17:06 igotmyown wrote: I'm going to have to call Keilah out on his continual rudeness, lack of respect for other people's opinions, and general immaturity. Kudos to him/her for reaching emperor level play without in depth research into the findings and conclusions of the contributors of civfanatics. But I feel he too strongly believes in his/her own game experience, and tries to hard to impress them upon other people, even when they are wrong and inefficient. I know it's pretty hard to argue on the internet, but it helps nobody when your debate tactics are primarily to shout louder than the opposition, and then to lash out when people are not following this quasi-consensus. I'm under the assumption these are fun/learning games, and if you don't commit a lot of time explaining why, you're just trying to make people do what you say. I'm concluding he/she clearly want to/are better off just play(ing) the whole game yourself, so I have to ask, why bother participating in the succession format when you can shadow it to your satisfaction yourself? agreed, hence quitting. but please point out to me even ONE time I have been wrong and inefficient? (suggesting not getting an academy could have been the one time, come to think, but iirc I wasn't adamant about it). Maybe I should have explained the why of things more clearly, but really, all anyone needed to do (this game) was look at the guide I suggested and we'd all be on the same page. All I've seen from most of the players is a stunning inability to adapt to unusual circumstances. To be clear, here are the relevant unusual circumstances in this game: -we have amazingly good commerce land, but quite poor production land. -we are going for a peaceful culture win, which leads to: -assisting our opponents doesn't actually increase their chance of winning, it only increases the chance and speed of us winning -we don't need any military beyond one unit/city to reduce unhappiness. Here are the things that show a lack of adaptation, and instead suggest that people are thinking along the lines of 'oh well this is usually good, I'll do this'. -We have/had our production city making a library -We (almost) rushed to connect ourselves to copper -We considered axe rushing Wang Kon, but this one might not count as we didn't eventually do it -We have our commerce city making a barracks -We continually refused demands that could have been used to increase our relations -We chopped out the Oracle, which is not THAT terrible since it guaranteed us a religion, but isn't really in line with the victory condition -We used the free missionary (apparently, this could be incorrect) in one of our cities, which should instead have been used on Wang Kon, allowing us to share a religion later on and also freeing up another of our cities to 'catch' a different religion This is the number one thing that gets me: -People are clearly of the mindset that we are in a competition with our neighbors. To clarify, this is incorrect this game because: a)we already have all the land we need for our victory condition. b)if played correctly, we will win this culture victory hundreds of turns before the computer can reach any of the other victory conditions with the exception of religious victory. Luckily, good diplomacy can help us with that. c)if one of the other civs, who should be our FRIENDS, gets technologically advanced, it just means that they have better stuff to trade with us, which makes us win even faster. It's not like they're going to beat us to the win or, if we're friends, attack us with technologically superior units. In fact, the only way we can possibly lose this game is by failing to make friends with our neighbors. I do apologize for being rude, I mean I should have been more diplomatic, but it's frustrating for me when people fail to grasp and act on concepts that I consider extremely simple. It's been a failing of mine since childhood. Before I joined the games, I wasn't aware that this would happen so often, but now that I know, I'm out. Me being here doesn't help anyone, least of all me. GL and HF guys. | ||
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