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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
May 27 2014 21:53 GMT
#17621
On May 26 2014 12:00 crms wrote:
i finally get a witching hour and it's this...



I swear i have the worst luck. I'm a mirror ball fire mage so I'll never be able to get +MM on the belt. ~_~

also:
1 piece vyr
0/6 tal rasha
1/6 akkans

diablo gods, WHY.

Still better than my 2 WHs, the first one was a perfect non-smart drop (dex,I play wiz and barb) and the second one rolled 5% ias and 26%cd (the exact minimum).

Anyway WH is overrated, especially if you play MM. Get a Hellcat Waistguard with MM bonus or a Harrington.

NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 27 2014 22:24 GMT
#17622
Wha... that totally sounds like sour grapes. If anything WH is amazing, especially if you play MM.
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
May 27 2014 23:45 GMT
#17623
BBV slam dance is very good against RGs.

use it instantly as long as the pets are still alive, theyx burn the HP down, then rely on dog and gargantuan for the rest.
Dont use gargantuan while you have lots of fetishes up still, he wont do aynthing.


Thats how i handle T6 guardians, its not too bad. Some dont kill my pets and just die =)



I am forcing myself to take a break, i noticed that with my effort to get a starmetal, i started to play out of habit, guess i am vulnerable to the gambling elements.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 00:49:35
May 28 2014 00:46 GMT
#17624
On May 28 2014 07:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wha... that totally sounds like sour grapes. If anything WH is amazing, especially if you play MM.

Care to explain?

WH just can't be "amazing" in loot 2.0 since it's limited by its 4 primary affixes and it doesn't have a legendary effect, so essentially it gives 15% more damage and 15% less toughness in comparison to a defensive belt - and I'm pretty sure that toughness is relevant at higher torments. Furthermore critical damage competes with MM bonus, which can be easily obtained on common belts like Hellcat and Fleeting Strap (crafted), while WH is a mess since it comes with high variance (26-50%cd) and a guaranteed skill bonus (25% chance to get MM, not counting non-smart drop).

This is just considering standard legendaries. Then we have set belts (Tal's, Crimson, even Blackthorne) and Harrington, all of which can easily roll MM bonus. An Harrington Waistguard with MM is way above everything else in some dungeons (like Battlefields of Eternity), and comparable to a perfect WH (on average) in most of them - without the drawbacks.

Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 01:04:30
May 28 2014 01:03 GMT
#17625
On May 28 2014 09:46 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wha... that totally sounds like sour grapes. If anything WH is amazing, especially if you play MM.

Care to explain?

WH just can't be "amazing" in loot 2.0 since it's limited by its 4 primary affixes and it doesn't have a legendary effect, so essentially it gives 15% more damage and 15% less toughness in comparison to a defensive belt - and I'm pretty sure that toughness is relevant at higher torments. Furthermore critical damage competes with MM bonus, which can be easily obtained on common belts like Hellcat and Fleeting Strap (crafted), while WH is a mess since it comes with high variance (26-50%cd) and a guaranteed skill bonus (25% chance to get MM, not counting non-smart drop).

This is just considering standard legendaries. Then we have set belts (Tal's, Crimson, even Blackthorne) and Harrington, all of which can easily roll MM bonus. An Harrington Waistguard with MM is way above everything else in some dungeons (like Battlefields of Eternity), and comparable to a perfect WH (on average) in most of them - without the drawbacks.


50% crit damage on a belt is what made it amazing i thought
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
May 28 2014 01:30 GMT
#17626
On May 28 2014 10:03 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 09:46 Big G wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wha... that totally sounds like sour grapes. If anything WH is amazing, especially if you play MM.

Care to explain?

WH just can't be "amazing" in loot 2.0 since it's limited by its 4 primary affixes and it doesn't have a legendary effect, so essentially it gives 15% more damage and 15% less toughness in comparison to a defensive belt - and I'm pretty sure that toughness is relevant at higher torments. Furthermore critical damage competes with MM bonus, which can be easily obtained on common belts like Hellcat and Fleeting Strap (crafted), while WH is a mess since it comes with high variance (26-50%cd) and a guaranteed skill bonus (25% chance to get MM, not counting non-smart drop).

This is just considering standard legendaries. Then we have set belts (Tal's, Crimson, even Blackthorne) and Harrington, all of which can easily roll MM bonus. An Harrington Waistguard with MM is way above everything else in some dungeons (like Battlefields of Eternity), and comparable to a perfect WH (on average) in most of them - without the drawbacks.


50% crit damage on a belt is what made it amazing i thought

What made it, yes. Also 50% at best. It's good for some builds/classes, maybe BiS for someone although Harrington is still out of reach in half the dungeons. For a MM wiz though it competes with a number of other belts for the reasons stated before.

It's like saying "Lacuni bracers are amazing!!!" because they can roll elemental damage, main stat, cc and attack speed. No they're not, because both defensive stats (vit/res) and legendary effects (Aughild, Strongarm, Warzechian) are equally or more valuable.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 28 2014 01:53 GMT
#17627
That's why I rate harringtons much higher than WH.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 02:48:07
May 28 2014 02:37 GMT
#17628
50% crit damage at a 450-500% crit damage base and 50% crit chance is around 5% additional damage. i don't really see it as that explosive of a damage boost from the Crit Damage alone.

the paper dps increase is mostly from the attack speed roll, which is really hit or miss depending on your build.

it's really overrated
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
May 28 2014 06:28 GMT
#17629
Well we were talking about a Magic Missile build so the attack speed matters. The point was that there are 2 other belts with attack speed, so assuming that we want at least vitality it's either ias/cd or ias/MM, which isn't much of a difference in terms of edps.

Of course a WH is better for a fire Archon/MM build since MM bonus is less relevant and critical damage boosts Archon too. I play both builds switching between a near perfect Hellcat (with life per kill, otherwise I would lose too much survivability) and Harrington... t5 is already challenging as it is, on t6 I would probably use Harrington with int/vit/res/life.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
May 28 2014 07:52 GMT
#17630
Does higher torment levels increase the chance for unique matts to drop?
Skol
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
May 28 2014 08:05 GMT
#17631
On May 28 2014 16:52 Emnjay808 wrote:
Does higher torment levels increase the chance for unique matts to drop?


Yes, legendary mats have the same drop rates as Death's Breaths and they both increase with difficulty level.
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
May 28 2014 08:07 GMT
#17632
On May 28 2014 16:52 Emnjay808 wrote:
Does higher torment levels increase the chance for unique matts to drop?

yes, normal 15%, Hard 18%, Expert 21%, Master 25% , T1 31% T2 37% T3 44%, T4 53%, T5 64%, T6 77%
Excellent for questions about legendery crafting mats
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
May 28 2014 10:29 GMT
#17633
On May 28 2014 17:07 DODswe4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 16:52 Emnjay808 wrote:
Does higher torment levels increase the chance for unique matts to drop?

yes, normal 15%, Hard 18%, Expert 21%, Master 25% , T1 31% T2 37% T3 44%, T4 53%, T5 64%, T6 77%
Excellent for questions about legendery crafting mats

Does anyone know if this is the same for monsters with guarenteed spawn like Maghda's souls and Reaper's tear? I killed maghda 50 times on T1 and only got 5 Soul's. (expected outcome is 15)

I saw that reaper's tear drop rates was buffed specifically, so wondering if other end bosses still drops their crafting mats less frequent than elites. Or I could just have been super unlucky. Anyone else been farming Maghda?
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
May 28 2014 15:16 GMT
#17634
On May 28 2014 06:53 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 12:00 crms wrote:
i finally get a witching hour and it's this...



I swear i have the worst luck. I'm a mirror ball fire mage so I'll never be able to get +MM on the belt. ~_~

also:
1 piece vyr
0/6 tal rasha
1/6 akkans

diablo gods, WHY.

Still better than my 2 WHs, the first one was a perfect non-smart drop (dex,I play wiz and barb) and the second one rolled 5% ias and 26%cd (the exact minimum).

Anyway WH is overrated, especially if you play MM. Get a Hellcat Waistguard with MM bonus or a Harrington.


currently using a hellcat with +MM%, so I'm in no hurry as you said, it's a great belt for MM. I was more just surprised a WH actually dropped and that it was so terrible! I would like to try a harrington though, I haven't found one yet.
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
May 28 2014 15:42 GMT
#17635
On May 28 2014 19:29 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 17:07 DODswe4 wrote:
On May 28 2014 16:52 Emnjay808 wrote:
Does higher torment levels increase the chance for unique matts to drop?

yes, normal 15%, Hard 18%, Expert 21%, Master 25% , T1 31% T2 37% T3 44%, T4 53%, T5 64%, T6 77%
Excellent for questions about legendery crafting mats

Does anyone know if this is the same for monsters with guarenteed spawn like Maghda's souls and Reaper's tear? I killed maghda 50 times on T1 and only got 5 Soul's. (expected outcome is 15)

I saw that reaper's tear drop rates was buffed specifically, so wondering if other end bosses still drops their crafting mats less frequent than elites. Or I could just have been super unlucky. Anyone else been farming Maghda?


Think it might be.. I had to kill her quite many times on T3 to get 5 souls. It definitely was not 44%, that's for sure.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 23:59:17
May 29 2014 23:58 GMT
#17636
Just put in a request to join Liquid
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-30 00:23:07
May 30 2014 00:22 GMT
#17637
I finally got a RoRG on my wiz, but I can't tell if it's properly activating stuff. I had 3 Firebird's set items and it gave me the 4pc bonus, it was lit up on the item tooltip. now I've got Vyr's boots and Guardian's belt, but the 2 item set bonuses aren't lit up. what gives? My character sheet doesn't show the added 500 int from the Vyr 2pc at all
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 30 2014 00:26 GMT
#17638
On May 30 2014 09:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I finally got a RoRG on my wiz, but I can't tell if it's properly activating stuff. I had 3 Firebird's set items and it gave me the 4pc bonus, it was lit up on the item tooltip. now I've got Vyr's boots and Guardian's belt, but the 2 item set bonuses aren't lit up. what gives? My character sheet doesn't show the added 500 int from the Vyr 2pc at all


RoRG "Reduces the number of items needed for set bonuses by 1 (to a minimum of 2)"
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 30 2014 00:32 GMT
#17639
oh
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
May 31 2014 06:30 GMT
#17640
Got a dece Cindercoat and a pretty good magefist while playing with my Sader tonight.

Also have a barb.

Wat do?
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