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On February 13 2013 13:49 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 13:22 Valiver wrote:On February 13 2013 12:49 Eschaton wrote:On February 13 2013 12:41 Valiver wrote: I got a strength amulet design and sold that for 15mil right as the servers came back up, went to play racquetball, came back and prices were under 1mil for amulets and about 300-500k for everything else. Anyone else notice that you can salvage unidentified rares now? or has that been that way and I'm just oblivious? Plans still going well, sold a couple glove plans for >1m. Anyone having luck with amulet crafting? My best after 30: Something like a 10-20m value most likely, although IAS/LoH would be very very nice to add. I haven't done any amulets yet, mine are my best pieces on my wiz/dh so holding off until I upgrade my dh shoulders/bracers, but I did about 20 dex shoulders and got one that's exactly a vile ward worth about 20-25mil, pretty nice for crafting. Add to that some good magic find ones for offset mp0 farming and a pair for my monk (who's gear sucks but still upgrade yay) and it's been better than expected. EDIT: just did 2 bracer crafts and upgraded my dh's bracers, dex vit crit armor mf/gf. As I am waiting for EU to go online, I'm trying to figure out where are the best places to farm for the designs? The patch notes says that you can get them from Skeleton King Spider Queen Maghda Zoltun Kulle Ghom Cydaea Rakanoth Izual with 5 NV stacks, but that they also drop anywhere, and with 5x the drop chance for designs.... maybe just as well farm act 3 as normal, but add ghom or something at the end of the run?
The increased drop rate for plans is for the old stuff, I got several old ones during my runs today, not sure if they apply to the new plans as well but I didn't get any new ones from non-bosses. I did about 25 runs of mp5-6 zoltun kulle. I chose him because if you choose the quest the black soulstone - the soulstone chamber he is right there as soon as you get 5 stacks. I go sewers for 1 or 2 stacks, black canyon mines gives anywhere from 2-4, and I finish it up going to oasis or desolate sands until I've got 5stack and kill ZK. I got 7 plans for a net of maybe 19mil, and 39 demonic essences as well.
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does the bosses drop a specific recipe or is it a random one?
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On February 13 2013 14:00 DODswe4 wrote: does the bosses drop a specific recipe or is it a random one? Completely random, I even got 2 of them off ZK at the same time once. (vit bracer and dex bracer)
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On February 13 2013 13:59 Valiver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 13:49 Cascade wrote:On February 13 2013 13:22 Valiver wrote:On February 13 2013 12:49 Eschaton wrote:On February 13 2013 12:41 Valiver wrote: I got a strength amulet design and sold that for 15mil right as the servers came back up, went to play racquetball, came back and prices were under 1mil for amulets and about 300-500k for everything else. Anyone else notice that you can salvage unidentified rares now? or has that been that way and I'm just oblivious? Plans still going well, sold a couple glove plans for >1m. Anyone having luck with amulet crafting? My best after 30: Something like a 10-20m value most likely, although IAS/LoH would be very very nice to add. I haven't done any amulets yet, mine are my best pieces on my wiz/dh so holding off until I upgrade my dh shoulders/bracers, but I did about 20 dex shoulders and got one that's exactly a vile ward worth about 20-25mil, pretty nice for crafting. Add to that some good magic find ones for offset mp0 farming and a pair for my monk (who's gear sucks but still upgrade yay) and it's been better than expected. EDIT: just did 2 bracer crafts and upgraded my dh's bracers, dex vit crit armor mf/gf. As I am waiting for EU to go online, I'm trying to figure out where are the best places to farm for the designs? The patch notes says that you can get them from Skeleton King Spider Queen Maghda Zoltun Kulle Ghom Cydaea Rakanoth Izual with 5 NV stacks, but that they also drop anywhere, and with 5x the drop chance for designs.... maybe just as well farm act 3 as normal, but add ghom or something at the end of the run? The increased drop rate for plans is for the old stuff, I got several old ones during my runs today, not sure if they apply to the new plans as well but I didn't get any new ones from non-bosses. I did about 25 runs of mp5-6 zoltun kulle. I chose him because if you choose the quest the black soulstone - the soulstone chamber he is right there as soon as you get 5 stacks. I go sewers for 1 or 2 stacks, black canyon mines gives anywhere from 2-4, and I finish it up going to oasis or desolate sands until I've got 5stack and kill ZK. I got 7 plans for a net of maybe 19mil, and 39 demonic essences as well. If you want to farm plans I dont think you can do better than cydaea/rakanoth (for some reason I have gotten 3 plans to drop off the first boss in act 4 as well). Crater 2-> tower 1 -> tower 2 -> azmodan -> rakanoth like 2 minutes away. 2 bosses with increased drop chance within minutes.
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On February 13 2013 13:59 Valiver wrote: The increased drop rate for plans is for the old stuff, I got several old ones during my runs today, not sure if they apply to the new plans as well but I didn't get any new ones from non-bosses. I did about 25 runs of mp5-6 zoltun kulle. I chose him because if you choose the quest the black soulstone - the soulstone chamber he is right there as soon as you get 5 stacks. I go sewers for 1 or 2 stacks, black canyon mines gives anywhere from 2-4, and I finish it up going to oasis or desolate sands until I've got 5stack and kill ZK. I got 7 plans for a net of maybe 19mil, and 39 demonic essences as well.
Thanks! On act 2 keywardens, I normally get the checkpoint in vault of the assassin and get my stacks there. But maybe that is not compatible with the starting point just by ZK for that quest?
On February 13 2013 13:57 TheRabidDeer wrote: For farming designs, I think the fastest is to do arreat crater 2 -> all the way through to rakanosh.
You can get 5 stacks easily before cydaea and rakanosh is only like 5 minutes after her.
Thanks for tips. Cydea + rakanosh seems like the better option for me, if not else because I am used to farm act 3. 
For MP, the drop chance of the designs from these bosses goes as: MP 0: 20% MP 1: 23.2% MP 2: 26.912% MP 3: 31.218% MP 4: 36.213% MP 5: 42.007% MP 6: 48.728% MP 7: 56.524% MP 8: 65.568% MP 9: 76.059% MP 10: 88.228%
Which is a bit tricky... Does MP5 runs take double time of MP0? It scales slower than keys (where you had 5x the drop chance on MP5 compared to MP1). Hmm, well as my archon gear is a bit more well developed than my cm/ww gear, maybe I'll stay on lower MPs, but I am sure other builds (ohai cm/ww) will benefit more from going to higher MPs. So pretty well balances by blizzard I'd say. Something done right.
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On February 13 2013 14:16 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 13:59 Valiver wrote:On February 13 2013 13:49 Cascade wrote:On February 13 2013 13:22 Valiver wrote:On February 13 2013 12:49 Eschaton wrote:On February 13 2013 12:41 Valiver wrote: I got a strength amulet design and sold that for 15mil right as the servers came back up, went to play racquetball, came back and prices were under 1mil for amulets and about 300-500k for everything else. Anyone else notice that you can salvage unidentified rares now? or has that been that way and I'm just oblivious? Plans still going well, sold a couple glove plans for >1m. Anyone having luck with amulet crafting? My best after 30: Something like a 10-20m value most likely, although IAS/LoH would be very very nice to add. I haven't done any amulets yet, mine are my best pieces on my wiz/dh so holding off until I upgrade my dh shoulders/bracers, but I did about 20 dex shoulders and got one that's exactly a vile ward worth about 20-25mil, pretty nice for crafting. Add to that some good magic find ones for offset mp0 farming and a pair for my monk (who's gear sucks but still upgrade yay) and it's been better than expected. EDIT: just did 2 bracer crafts and upgraded my dh's bracers, dex vit crit armor mf/gf. As I am waiting for EU to go online, I'm trying to figure out where are the best places to farm for the designs? The patch notes says that you can get them from Skeleton King Spider Queen Maghda Zoltun Kulle Ghom Cydaea Rakanoth Izual with 5 NV stacks, but that they also drop anywhere, and with 5x the drop chance for designs.... maybe just as well farm act 3 as normal, but add ghom or something at the end of the run? The increased drop rate for plans is for the old stuff, I got several old ones during my runs today, not sure if they apply to the new plans as well but I didn't get any new ones from non-bosses. I did about 25 runs of mp5-6 zoltun kulle. I chose him because if you choose the quest the black soulstone - the soulstone chamber he is right there as soon as you get 5 stacks. I go sewers for 1 or 2 stacks, black canyon mines gives anywhere from 2-4, and I finish it up going to oasis or desolate sands until I've got 5stack and kill ZK. I got 7 plans for a net of maybe 19mil, and 39 demonic essences as well. If you want to farm plans I dont think you can do better than cydaea/rakanoth (for some reason I have gotten 3 plans to drop off the first boss in act 4 as well). Crater 2-> tower 1 -> tower 2 -> azmodan -> rakanoth like 2 minutes away. 2 bosses with increased drop chance within minutes. Azmodan isn't on the list in the patch notes though. Maybe a typo?
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On February 13 2013 14:27 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 13:59 Valiver wrote: The increased drop rate for plans is for the old stuff, I got several old ones during my runs today, not sure if they apply to the new plans as well but I didn't get any new ones from non-bosses. I did about 25 runs of mp5-6 zoltun kulle. I chose him because if you choose the quest the black soulstone - the soulstone chamber he is right there as soon as you get 5 stacks. I go sewers for 1 or 2 stacks, black canyon mines gives anywhere from 2-4, and I finish it up going to oasis or desolate sands until I've got 5stack and kill ZK. I got 7 plans for a net of maybe 19mil, and 39 demonic essences as well.
Thanks! On act 2 keywardens, I normally get the checkpoint in vault of the assassin and get my stacks there. But maybe that is not compatible with the starting point just by ZK for that quest? Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 13:57 TheRabidDeer wrote: For farming designs, I think the fastest is to do arreat crater 2 -> all the way through to rakanosh.
You can get 5 stacks easily before cydaea and rakanosh is only like 5 minutes after her. Thanks for tips. Cydea + rakanosh seems like the better option for me, if not else because I am used to farm act 3.  For MP, the drop chance of the designs from these bosses goes as: MP 0: 20% MP 1: 23.2% MP 2: 26.912% MP 3: 31.218% MP 4: 36.213% MP 5: 42.007% MP 6: 48.728% MP 7: 56.524% MP 8: 65.568% MP 9: 76.059% MP 10: 88.228% Which is a bit tricky... Does MP5 runs take double time of MP0? It scales slower than keys (where you had 5x the drop chance on MP5 compared to MP1). Hmm, well as my archon gear is a bit more well developed than my cm/ww gear, maybe I'll stay on lower MPs, but I am sure other builds (ohai cm/ww) will benefit more from going to higher MPs. So pretty well balances by blizzard I'd say. Something done right.  Once you kill a boss you have to reset the quest, which resets any checkpoint so you can't get vault every time unless you search for it  I may do some time runs to see if ZK or cydea/rak is faster, would be good to have proof one way or the other, they are probably fairly similar, depending on class perhaps.
Edit: don't forget the chance to get demonic essences, that rate is MP 0: 15.0000% MP 1: 16.5000% MP 2: 18.1500% MP 3: 19.9650% MP 4: 21.9615% MP 5: 24.1577% MP 6: 26.5734% MP 7: 29.2308% MP 8: 32.1538% MP 9: 35.3692% MP 10: 38.9061% which also influences which mp to do.
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On February 13 2013 14:29 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:16 TheRabidDeer wrote:On February 13 2013 13:59 Valiver wrote:On February 13 2013 13:49 Cascade wrote:On February 13 2013 13:22 Valiver wrote:On February 13 2013 12:49 Eschaton wrote:On February 13 2013 12:41 Valiver wrote: I got a strength amulet design and sold that for 15mil right as the servers came back up, went to play racquetball, came back and prices were under 1mil for amulets and about 300-500k for everything else. Anyone else notice that you can salvage unidentified rares now? or has that been that way and I'm just oblivious? Plans still going well, sold a couple glove plans for >1m. Anyone having luck with amulet crafting? My best after 30: Something like a 10-20m value most likely, although IAS/LoH would be very very nice to add. I haven't done any amulets yet, mine are my best pieces on my wiz/dh so holding off until I upgrade my dh shoulders/bracers, but I did about 20 dex shoulders and got one that's exactly a vile ward worth about 20-25mil, pretty nice for crafting. Add to that some good magic find ones for offset mp0 farming and a pair for my monk (who's gear sucks but still upgrade yay) and it's been better than expected. EDIT: just did 2 bracer crafts and upgraded my dh's bracers, dex vit crit armor mf/gf. As I am waiting for EU to go online, I'm trying to figure out where are the best places to farm for the designs? The patch notes says that you can get them from Skeleton King Spider Queen Maghda Zoltun Kulle Ghom Cydaea Rakanoth Izual with 5 NV stacks, but that they also drop anywhere, and with 5x the drop chance for designs.... maybe just as well farm act 3 as normal, but add ghom or something at the end of the run? The increased drop rate for plans is for the old stuff, I got several old ones during my runs today, not sure if they apply to the new plans as well but I didn't get any new ones from non-bosses. I did about 25 runs of mp5-6 zoltun kulle. I chose him because if you choose the quest the black soulstone - the soulstone chamber he is right there as soon as you get 5 stacks. I go sewers for 1 or 2 stacks, black canyon mines gives anywhere from 2-4, and I finish it up going to oasis or desolate sands until I've got 5stack and kill ZK. I got 7 plans for a net of maybe 19mil, and 39 demonic essences as well. If you want to farm plans I dont think you can do better than cydaea/rakanoth (for some reason I have gotten 3 plans to drop off the first boss in act 4 as well). Crater 2-> tower 1 -> tower 2 -> azmodan -> rakanoth like 2 minutes away. 2 bosses with increased drop chance within minutes. Azmodan isn't on the list in the patch notes though. Maybe a typo? Just saying thats the order of areas you go to. Azmodan isnt on the list but how else do you get to act 4 with your stacks
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On February 13 2013 14:32 Valiver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:27 Cascade wrote:On February 13 2013 13:59 Valiver wrote: The increased drop rate for plans is for the old stuff, I got several old ones during my runs today, not sure if they apply to the new plans as well but I didn't get any new ones from non-bosses. I did about 25 runs of mp5-6 zoltun kulle. I chose him because if you choose the quest the black soulstone - the soulstone chamber he is right there as soon as you get 5 stacks. I go sewers for 1 or 2 stacks, black canyon mines gives anywhere from 2-4, and I finish it up going to oasis or desolate sands until I've got 5stack and kill ZK. I got 7 plans for a net of maybe 19mil, and 39 demonic essences as well.
Thanks! On act 2 keywardens, I normally get the checkpoint in vault of the assassin and get my stacks there. But maybe that is not compatible with the starting point just by ZK for that quest? On February 13 2013 13:57 TheRabidDeer wrote: For farming designs, I think the fastest is to do arreat crater 2 -> all the way through to rakanosh.
You can get 5 stacks easily before cydaea and rakanosh is only like 5 minutes after her. Thanks for tips. Cydea + rakanosh seems like the better option for me, if not else because I am used to farm act 3.  For MP, the drop chance of the designs from these bosses goes as: MP 0: 20% MP 1: 23.2% MP 2: 26.912% MP 3: 31.218% MP 4: 36.213% MP 5: 42.007% MP 6: 48.728% MP 7: 56.524% MP 8: 65.568% MP 9: 76.059% MP 10: 88.228% Which is a bit tricky... Does MP5 runs take double time of MP0? It scales slower than keys (where you had 5x the drop chance on MP5 compared to MP1). Hmm, well as my archon gear is a bit more well developed than my cm/ww gear, maybe I'll stay on lower MPs, but I am sure other builds (ohai cm/ww) will benefit more from going to higher MPs. So pretty well balances by blizzard I'd say. Something done right.  Once you kill a boss you have to reset the quest, which resets any checkpoint so you can't get vault every time unless you search for it  I may do some time runs to see if ZK or cydea/rak is faster, would be good to have proof one way or the other, they are probably fairly similar, depending on class perhaps. Edit: don't forget the chance to get demonic essences, that rate is MP 0: 15.0000% MP 1: 16.5000% MP 2: 18.1500% MP 3: 19.9650% MP 4: 21.9615% MP 5: 24.1577% MP 6: 26.5734% MP 7: 29.2308% MP 8: 32.1538% MP 9: 35.3692% MP 10: 38.9061% which also influences which mp to do. That list favours lower MPs even more.
But I was thinking mainly of farming the (sellable) designs now first few days. I'm sure the design price will go down pretty quickly, and at that point I can start thinking about farming demonic essence. As the demonic essence is bound to account, I will not consider it much now at start, where I just want to abuse the inflated prices on the new stuff. I do not need to start crafting (bound to account items) from day 1. I'm fine with selling all designs I find at first, and then in a week or two farm/buy the designs I need to craft myself. 
On February 13 2013 14:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:Just saying thats the order of areas you go to. Azmodan isnt on the list but how else do you get to act 4 with your stacks 
Ok, fair enough. Probably a good route to farm in general. Atm I am just thinking how to get designs asap though, as I suspect that will be the most desired item you can sell on the AH when the patch goes live.
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On February 13 2013 14:46 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:32 Valiver wrote:On February 13 2013 14:27 Cascade wrote:On February 13 2013 13:59 Valiver wrote: The increased drop rate for plans is for the old stuff, I got several old ones during my runs today, not sure if they apply to the new plans as well but I didn't get any new ones from non-bosses. I did about 25 runs of mp5-6 zoltun kulle. I chose him because if you choose the quest the black soulstone - the soulstone chamber he is right there as soon as you get 5 stacks. I go sewers for 1 or 2 stacks, black canyon mines gives anywhere from 2-4, and I finish it up going to oasis or desolate sands until I've got 5stack and kill ZK. I got 7 plans for a net of maybe 19mil, and 39 demonic essences as well.
Thanks! On act 2 keywardens, I normally get the checkpoint in vault of the assassin and get my stacks there. But maybe that is not compatible with the starting point just by ZK for that quest? On February 13 2013 13:57 TheRabidDeer wrote: For farming designs, I think the fastest is to do arreat crater 2 -> all the way through to rakanosh.
You can get 5 stacks easily before cydaea and rakanosh is only like 5 minutes after her. Thanks for tips. Cydea + rakanosh seems like the better option for me, if not else because I am used to farm act 3.  For MP, the drop chance of the designs from these bosses goes as: MP 0: 20% MP 1: 23.2% MP 2: 26.912% MP 3: 31.218% MP 4: 36.213% MP 5: 42.007% MP 6: 48.728% MP 7: 56.524% MP 8: 65.568% MP 9: 76.059% MP 10: 88.228% Which is a bit tricky... Does MP5 runs take double time of MP0? It scales slower than keys (where you had 5x the drop chance on MP5 compared to MP1). Hmm, well as my archon gear is a bit more well developed than my cm/ww gear, maybe I'll stay on lower MPs, but I am sure other builds (ohai cm/ww) will benefit more from going to higher MPs. So pretty well balances by blizzard I'd say. Something done right.  Once you kill a boss you have to reset the quest, which resets any checkpoint so you can't get vault every time unless you search for it  I may do some time runs to see if ZK or cydea/rak is faster, would be good to have proof one way or the other, they are probably fairly similar, depending on class perhaps. Edit: don't forget the chance to get demonic essences, that rate is MP 0: 15.0000% MP 1: 16.5000% MP 2: 18.1500% MP 3: 19.9650% MP 4: 21.9615% MP 5: 24.1577% MP 6: 26.5734% MP 7: 29.2308% MP 8: 32.1538% MP 9: 35.3692% MP 10: 38.9061% which also influences which mp to do. That list favours lower MPs even more. But I was thinking mainly of farming the (sellable) designs now first few days. I'm sure the design price will go down pretty quickly, and at that point I can start thinking about farming demonic essence. As the demonic essence is bound to account, I will not consider it much now at start, where I just want to abuse the inflated prices on the new stuff.  I do not need to start crafting (bound to account items) from day 1. I'm fine with selling all designs I find at first, and then in a week or two farm/buy the designs I need to craft myself.  Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:Just saying thats the order of areas you go to. Azmodan isnt on the list but how else do you get to act 4 with your stacks  Ok, fair enough. Probably a good route to farm in general.  Atm I am just thinking how to get designs asap though, as I suspect that will be the most desired item you can sell on the AH when the patch goes live.  You can do the whole run in like 6-10 minutes so I dont think you can get faster for 2 chances at plans/designs.
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Just timed 3 different ZK runs on MP6 and my average was just under 4 minutes from start of the run to dead ZK picking up all items whole way. I just don't see with cut scenes and travel time how cydea -> rak can beat that. (Note that I did get a little lucky and got 5 stacks all 3 times with just sewers and black canyon mines, typically half my runs require 1 other stack from oasis adding 25-50 seconds to the run)
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On February 13 2013 15:44 Valiver wrote: Just timed 3 different ZK runs on MP6 and my average was just under 4 minutes from start of the run to dead ZK picking up all items whole way. I just don't see with cut scenes and travel time how cydea -> rak can beat that. (Note that I did get a little lucky and got 5 stacks all 3 times with just sewers and black canyon mines, typically half my runs require 1 other stack from oasis adding 25-50 seconds to the run) You can skip all of the cutscenes, you know that right? I did a 10 minute run on my ok WW barb 8 elites (have gotten like 12 in 1 run before) 4 bosses (cydaea, azmodan, iskatu, and rakanosh) 2 of which can drop designs, and for some reason iskatu seems to be able to as well since I have gotten archon gauntlets off him twice.
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Well duh you can skip the cut-scenes, but it still adds time skipping them. a few seconds per scene with several of them adds up when the purpose is to go as fast as possible. Although I will say that the run I did of act3/4 Iskatu gave me a pattern too. If it turns out iskatu drops them at the same rate as other bosses then that run wins for sure though.
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Honestly, who cares about plans farming? If even the most in demand (amulet) plans dropped to 1m on PATCH DAY, and will be next to worthless in a few weeks. :-D At least there is a reason to hit the random bosses now though I guess. Still not worth doing any MP but zero for xp or loot for those of us with non-RMAH-able gear. :-D
But the new patterns both giveth and taketh as now every slot with a crafted item just had all their AH-values drop considerably as most folks will be creating so much BoA gear they won't need to check the AH for any alts or when gearing for pvp/pve.
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And on a side note: Apparently recently they fixed the max bid exploit (to determine the max bid on any particular auction)
So now when you bid on an auction and your bid is not the highest, the current bid = your bid, not your bid+5%. Less AH shenanigans to play with now :-(
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On February 13 2013 19:18 Burrfoot wrote: Honestly, who cares about plans farming? If even the most in demand (amulet) plans dropped to 1m on PATCH DAY, and will be next to worthless in a few weeks. :-D At least there is a reason to hit the random bosses now though I guess. Still not worth doing any MP but zero for xp or loot for those of us with non-RMAH-able gear. :-D
But the new patterns both giveth and taketh as now every slot with a crafted item just had all their AH-values drop considerably as most folks will be creating so much BoA gear they won't need to check the AH for any alts or when gearing for pvp/pve. Yeah, the plan was to sell a few designs while they still were going for several millions, which most likely would be a lot more gold/hour than I get normally. As it ended up, I got some RL things keeping me from D3 as the patch hit, and now I need to go to bed. I'll see where the prices are tomorrow, and decide then if it is still worth the effort to farm them.
Oh well. At least we can buy cheaper stuff on the AH soon.
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Got a vit amulet design to drop and looked to sell it but they're only going for 100k on NA. Not surprising.
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You dont need to farm anything. there is a way to trade essences and recipes are on ah. got this on my 10th craft !
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Wait what, essences can be traded?
o_O
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On February 14 2013 00:40 Nekovivie wrote: Wait what, essences can be traded?
o_O Yes :D you just need to shift+drop them down :D
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