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On February 15 2013 03:01 Noak wrote:
So i read about some massive changes to how rubies interacted with wepons in the PTR. Did this carry over to Live or did they change it somehow? are the Rubies now better than emeralds? i have very modest gear with about 50k dps and 24% crit.
The short answer is: it depends. The long answer is: here. Make sure to double check that thread has the latest and greatest information factored in or it won't be helpful at all.
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With 24% Crit the Ruby is defintily better than a Emerald. But with that gear you shouldn't invest too much into Gems...
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On February 15 2013 03:31 Dirkinity wrote:
With 24% Crit the Ruby is defintily better than a Emerald. But with that gear you shouldn't invest too much into Gems...
Base weapon attack speed is another factor in this equation.
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I really like the new crafting recepies, I only play selffound and really enjoyed crafting in the lower levels but the standard Inferno plans take forever to drop
Now got Dext shoulder plans after 3 Act I runs and the first craft was allready pretty good! (Allrest+Coldres which I stack on my OWE Monk  )
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On February 14 2013 06:13 Enox wrote:sadly, i missed the gold price on 2 cent.. when i logged in, i bought 300 million for 17 cent each. if the price goes up to 25 cent again, thats still a small profit 
so i purchased that 300 mill yesterday for 50€ (17 cent per mill). when i got it today after the transaction review, i got 15€ back so i payed only ~11cent per mill :p i dont get it, but i also wont complain^^ now the price is back up to 25cent. if i can sell it, i get 78€
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^Selling gold is a pain in the ass, you're getting it dirt cheap cuz no one wants it haha. I've been in a long process of selling off billions, yes literally billions, and about ~50% of the time I simply have my gold returned to me after the auction period has ended at lowest rate possible. This was not the case before, even with gold having been @ floor pricing for a significant amount of time already.
I don't know about y'all, but my inference based on this ongoing experience is that the game's fucken dead -- no one's buying gold, no one's gearing new chars. Perhaps the small hardcore contingent still goes strong due to the need to create new chars and acquire fresh items, but the same is simply untrue in softcore, assuming the positive correlation between AH/RMAH activity and active players is strong and valid
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On February 15 2013 12:02 FallDownMarigold wrote:
^Selling gold is a pain in the ass, you're getting it dirt cheap cuz no one wants it haha. I've been in a long process of selling off billions, yes literally billions, and about ~50% of the time I simply have my gold returned to me after the auction period has ended at lowest rate possible. This was not the case before, even with gold having been @ floor pricing for a significant amount of time already.
I don't know about y'all, but my inference based on this ongoing experience is that the game's fucken dead -- no one's buying gold, no one's gearing new chars. Perhaps the small hardcore contingent still goes strong due to the need to create new chars and acquire fresh items, but the same is simply untrue in softcore, assuming the positive correlation between AH/RMAH activity and active players is strong and valid
Have you tried using community sites like D2JSP? I wonder if it's smart to just hang on to your gold til an expansion comes out and there is a huge wave of new players.
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On February 15 2013 12:02 FallDownMarigold wrote:
^Selling gold is a pain in the ass, you're getting it dirt cheap cuz no one wants it haha. I've been in a long process of selling off billions, yes literally billions, and about ~50% of the time I simply have my gold returned to me after the auction period has ended at lowest rate possible. This was not the case before, even with gold having been @ floor pricing for a significant amount of time already.
I don't know about y'all, but my inference based on this ongoing experience is that the game's fucken dead -- no one's buying gold, no one's gearing new chars. Perhaps the small hardcore contingent still goes strong due to the need to create new chars and acquire fresh items, but the same is simply untrue in softcore, assuming the positive correlation between AH/RMAH activity and active players is strong and valid
I'm noticing a *slight* bump in AH activity with the patch, but nothing even close to what I expected. I can sell for ~10% higher than I could pre-patch, but it's pretty pathetic. I'm very curious about the volume of gold being moved on the RMAH at the moment... it could be that a) no one is buying (which I doubt, due to posts like above where someone reports buying 300m) or b) every long-time player is attempting to unload a good chunk of their stash. Probably a combination of both. Posts abound of "Time to cash out!" sentiment leading up to 1.07 patch. The thing is, everyone can't cash out at once.
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On February 15 2013 12:58 Eschaton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 12:02 FallDownMarigold wrote:
^Selling gold is a pain in the ass, you're getting it dirt cheap cuz no one wants it haha. I've been in a long process of selling off billions, yes literally billions, and about ~50% of the time I simply have my gold returned to me after the auction period has ended at lowest rate possible. This was not the case before, even with gold having been @ floor pricing for a significant amount of time already.
I don't know about y'all, but my inference based on this ongoing experience is that the game's fucken dead -- no one's buying gold, no one's gearing new chars. Perhaps the small hardcore contingent still goes strong due to the need to create new chars and acquire fresh items, but the same is simply untrue in softcore, assuming the positive correlation between AH/RMAH activity and active players is strong and valid I'm noticing a *slight* bump in AH activity with the patch, but nothing even close to what I expected. I can sell for ~10% higher than I could pre-patch, but it's pretty pathetic. I'm very curious about the volume of gold being moved on the RMAH at the moment... it could be that a) no one is buying (which I doubt, due to posts like above where someone reports buying 300m) or b) every long-time player is attempting to unload a good chunk of their stash. Probably a combination of both. Posts abound of "Time to cash out!" sentiment leading up to 1.07 patch. The thing is, everyone can't cash out at once.
and there is always a C) which everyone seem to be missing out when it is just so obvious, buy gold from 3rd party sites which sell them way cheaper than the RMAH.
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On February 15 2013 12:57 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 12:02 FallDownMarigold wrote:
^Selling gold is a pain in the ass, you're getting it dirt cheap cuz no one wants it haha. I've been in a long process of selling off billions, yes literally billions, and about ~50% of the time I simply have my gold returned to me after the auction period has ended at lowest rate possible. This was not the case before, even with gold having been @ floor pricing for a significant amount of time already.
I don't know about y'all, but my inference based on this ongoing experience is that the game's fucken dead -- no one's buying gold, no one's gearing new chars. Perhaps the small hardcore contingent still goes strong due to the need to create new chars and acquire fresh items, but the same is simply untrue in softcore, assuming the positive correlation between AH/RMAH activity and active players is strong and valid Have you tried using community sites like D2JSP? I wonder if it's smart to just hang on to your gold til an expansion comes out and there is a huge wave of new players.
Gold will never gain value, because Botters farm 24/7...
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It is about 2-3 times more profitable to sell items from the GAH on the RMAH than gold. If you're trying to sell gold on the RMAH at .25, you're doing it wrong.
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On February 15 2013 20:45 ffswowsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 12:58 Eschaton wrote:On February 15 2013 12:02 FallDownMarigold wrote:
^Selling gold is a pain in the ass, you're getting it dirt cheap cuz no one wants it haha. I've been in a long process of selling off billions, yes literally billions, and about ~50% of the time I simply have my gold returned to me after the auction period has ended at lowest rate possible. This was not the case before, even with gold having been @ floor pricing for a significant amount of time already.
I don't know about y'all, but my inference based on this ongoing experience is that the game's fucken dead -- no one's buying gold, no one's gearing new chars. Perhaps the small hardcore contingent still goes strong due to the need to create new chars and acquire fresh items, but the same is simply untrue in softcore, assuming the positive correlation between AH/RMAH activity and active players is strong and valid I'm noticing a *slight* bump in AH activity with the patch, but nothing even close to what I expected. I can sell for ~10% higher than I could pre-patch, but it's pretty pathetic. I'm very curious about the volume of gold being moved on the RMAH at the moment... it could be that a) no one is buying (which I doubt, due to posts like above where someone reports buying 300m) or b) every long-time player is attempting to unload a good chunk of their stash. Probably a combination of both. Posts abound of "Time to cash out!" sentiment leading up to 1.07 patch. The thing is, everyone can't cash out at once. and there is always a C) which everyone seem to be missing out when it is just so obvious, buy gold from 3rd party sites which sell them way cheaper than the RMAH.
I assume that the vast majority of gold-buying players use the RMAH for convenience & safety. I imagine the percentage of gold-buying players who opt to use third party sites is smaller due to the risk and uncertainty it entails.
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On February 15 2013 21:48 Burrfoot wrote:
It is about 2-3 times more profitable to sell items from the GAH on the RMAH than gold. If you're trying to sell gold on the RMAH at .25, you're doing it wrong.
That is interesting that for you personally you have 2-3X more success selling items on the RMAH rather than liquidating them and selling the gold on the RMAH. Based on my experience I've had far more success liquidating items on the GAH for gold, and then selling (or trying) for lowest rate @ RMAH, which contradicts your statement. As for third party selling, I have no interest in being a badboy/etc. even if it's true you can easily sell gold there for less than .25
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Did you account for the double 15% cut you take when you sell item for gold, then gold for money?
Versus the 1$ cut you take when buying items with gold, then selling item for money?
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well, im happy for tips which item/s to buy for 300 mill gold, cause it really doesnt seem to sell for 25cent. i didnt play in the last few months so im not really up to date what's worth something
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On February 16 2013 06:34 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 21:48 Burrfoot wrote:
It is about 2-3 times more profitable to sell items from the GAH on the RMAH than gold. If you're trying to sell gold on the RMAH at .25, you're doing it wrong. That is interesting that for you personally you have 2-3X more success selling items on the RMAH rather than liquidating them and selling the gold on the RMAH. Based on my experience I've had far more success liquidating items on the GAH for gold, and then selling (or trying) for lowest rate @ RMAH, which contradicts your statement. As for third party selling, I have no interest in being a badboy/etc. even if it's true you can easily sell gold there for less than .25
You don't understand what I'm saying. You're saying you can sell 100m gold @ 0.25. If it does sell you will get 21.25. I'm saying you spend that 100m to buy an item that sells for > 26. As for how you know what sells and buys for certain values, that's where your time and market knowledge kicks in. I'm not saying know what everything sells for everywhere, just focus on a market or five to know the going rate of specific items on both AHs and be able to quickly evaluate what 1d11/12 hr auctions should be bought out immediately and what to limit bids to when you're offline to make on no-buyout auctions.
Since I tracked Nat's Marks for a few months and made ~1k just flipping them from both RMAH/GAH to paypal was a pretty easy task to do as only a few random affixes upped the "tier" of nats. But for example right now on the NA server:
Cheapest Nat Mark on GAH = 50m = 10.625 paypal.
Cheapest Nat Mark on RMAH = 18 = 14.45 paypal.
Max Bid on no-buyout Nat Mark ~34m to get a .5/m equivalent rate
So with that 100m you have to sell, buy 2 nats, sell for 18 and you're already ahead 36%. Sometimes the more obscure the market and less knowledgeable the general populace, the higher margins you can make (like zombie dogs for 3x+ markup)
Now, there is no guarantee either the 50m gold will sell or the Nat Mark will sell, but the difference in GAH/RMAH value pretty much always exists in favor of one or the other AH.... and one to "play" for profit. So you can either sell your gold at the minimum, or buy something to sell on the RMAH for a equivalent gold rate HIGHER than .25. + Show Spoiler +Higher margins if you just sell for Blizz Balance - no additional 15%, just $1 fee. So if all you want is gold and have a nice item, it may be better to sell on RMAH for balance and just buy gold with it the balance received (@.25/m rate any item worth ~ 26.7 m-1171.8m are better off being sold on RMAH.. if both AH valued them the same link)
It's Auction House 3!
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Diablo 3 - The Auction House Simulator...
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On February 16 2013 07:30 Burrfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 06:34 FallDownMarigold wrote:On February 15 2013 21:48 Burrfoot wrote:
It is about 2-3 times more profitable to sell items from the GAH on the RMAH than gold. If you're trying to sell gold on the RMAH at .25, you're doing it wrong. That is interesting that for you personally you have 2-3X more success selling items on the RMAH rather than liquidating them and selling the gold on the RMAH. Based on my experience I've had far more success liquidating items on the GAH for gold, and then selling (or trying) for lowest rate @ RMAH, which contradicts your statement. As for third party selling, I have no interest in being a badboy/etc. even if it's true you can easily sell gold there for less than .25 You don't understand what I'm saying. You're saying you can sell 100m gold @ 0.25. If it does sell you will get 21.25. I'm saying you spend that 100m to buy an item that sells for > 26. As for how you know what sells and buys for certain values, that's where your time and market knowledge kicks in. I'm not saying know what everything sells for everywhere, just focus on a market or five to know the going rate of specific items on both AHs and be able to quickly evaluate what 1d11/12 hr auctions should be bought out immediately and what to limit bids to when you're offline to make on no-buyout auctions. Since I tracked Nat's Marks for a few months and made ~1k just flipping them from both RMAH/GAH to paypal was a pretty easy task to do as only a few random affixes upped the "tier" of nats. But for example right now on the NA server: Cheapest Nat Mark on GAH = 50m = 10.625 paypal. Cheapest Nat Mark on RMAH = 18 = 14.45 paypal. Max Bid on no-buyout Nat Mark ~34m to get a .5/m equivalent rate So with that 100m you have to sell, buy 2 nats, sell for 18 and you're already ahead 36%. Sometimes the more obscure the market and less knowledgeable the general populace, the higher margins you can make (like zombie dogs for 3x+ markup) Now, there is no guarantee either the 50m gold will sell or the Nat Mark will sell, but the difference in GAH/RMAH value pretty much always exists in favor of one or the other AH.... and one to "play" for profit. So you can either sell your gold at the minimum, or buy something to sell on the RMAH for a equivalent gold rate HIGHER than .25. + Show Spoiler +Higher margins if you just sell for Blizz Balance - no additional 15%, just $1 fee. So if all you want is gold and have a nice item, it may be better to sell on RMAH for balance and just buy gold with it the balance received (@.25/m rate any item worth ~ 26.7 m-1171.8m are better off being sold on RMAH.. if both AH valued them the same link) It's Auction House 3!
That I didn't understand what you were saying may be true but it suggests you didn't understand my aim, which I suppse I did not make clear due to going off on a tangent. Bottom line is I'm trying to sell off quickly, and it's annoying that even going with the basic RMAH gold route requires a lot of time.
To be more clear, my current goal here is not to invest a lot of time into understanding specific sub-markets, as I might have done in the past. I get it, that's better for people who commit time to buying/selling -- when I was playing I was obligated to camp markets in order to get good deals, in addition to all the GAH 'flipping' I was doing (to gear my char, not to earn a real world income). My current case is this: I want to sell with two priorities: Speed & profit. If I aim to balance speedy selling with profit, my only option is what I am doing. What you are doing requires *time*, which I no longer intend to invest in this game/AH. I could counter and say that the time I spend maximizing my profits doing what you are saying is time worth X/hour at a job, for example -- making "1k over a few months" quite insignificant by comparison. Somewhat ridiculous, but it's all relative to what you want -- in my case I don't merely want max profits with max time spent playing AH3. I'm cashing out as easily and quickly as I can, not merchanting this time. Soo... I'll say what you said is solid advice for people still aiming to flip. BTW, have not had success flipping in weeks/months -- I'm not sure I would trust anyone claiming to still enjoy massive success doing that. Markets are saturated with merchants, very few actually aiming to buy for their chars now
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On February 16 2013 07:26 Enox wrote:
well, im happy for tips which item/s to buy for 300 mill gold, cause it really doesnt seem to sell for 25cent. i didnt play in the last few months so im not really up to date what's worth something
If you just want to cash out at a semi-loss, you could always just buy Radiant Gems with your gold and sell on RMAH with the fee.
ie - Right now on NA: 100m gets you 4 radiant rubies. Selling 4 @ the RMAH price of $5.51/gem = gets you $15.92 in your paypal. If you sold 100m gold successfully it would net you $18.06.
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