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Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
September 18 2012 12:13 GMT
#14161
So basically: Adds % elemental damage only adds a bonus to whatever physical damage your weapon does (base+affix min&max) and not any fire/holy/lightning/cold bonus that makes up a good chunk of high dps weapons. The +8% Holy damage would not add to the holy damage on say, a Hallowed set weapon either, and neither do +elemental skill damage like Schaefers. Looking cool sometimes isnt the best way to min max! Hehe
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 18 2012 12:18 GMT
#14162
On September 18 2012 21:13 Burrfoot wrote:
So basically: Adds % elemental damage only adds a bonus to whatever physical damage your weapon does (base+affix min&max) and not any fire/holy/lightning/cold bonus that makes up a good chunk of high dps weapons. The +8% Holy damage would not add to the holy damage on say, a Hallowed set weapon either, and neither do +elemental skill damage like Schaefers. Looking cool sometimes isnt the best way to min max! Hehe

Also, bear in mind that not all of your abilities will be physical? I'm not certain, as I only play a barb. For example, only SOME of a wizard's abilities will be physical, whereas others may be entirely magic. I'm speculating though - best to find out properly.

I bought it for the cold damage snare, not for the damage ^.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 12:33:25
September 18 2012 12:33 GMT
#14163
On September 18 2012 21:18 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 21:13 Burrfoot wrote:
So basically: Adds % elemental damage only adds a bonus to whatever physical damage your weapon does (base+affix min&max) and not any fire/holy/lightning/cold bonus that makes up a good chunk of high dps weapons. The +8% Holy damage would not add to the holy damage on say, a Hallowed set weapon either, and neither do +elemental skill damage like Schaefers. Looking cool sometimes isnt the best way to min max! Hehe

Also, bear in mind that not all of your abilities will be physical? I'm not certain, as I only play a barb. For example, only SOME of a wizard's abilities will be physical, whereas others may be entirely magic. I'm speculating though - best to find out properly.

I bought it for the cold damage snare, not for the damage ^.

it boosts your physical dmg first, so the skill just converts all that to whatever element. but who knows for sure
Resolve
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore679 Posts
September 18 2012 16:01 GMT
#14164
Thanks for the replies. I guess I would have to search for a weapon first if I were to go ahead...
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
September 20 2012 18:40 GMT
#14165
Struggling to sell a triumvirate because people dont understand how it works, kinda annoying.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
September 20 2012 18:57 GMT
#14166
Or it's still annoying to sort through off hands!
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
September 20 2012 19:00 GMT
#14167
On September 21 2012 03:40 unkkz wrote:
Struggling to sell a triumvirate because people dont understand how it works, kinda annoying.



How does it work?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
September 20 2012 19:15 GMT
#14168
if your weapon swing was 50,000 - 100,000 and your triumvirate had a combined +15% elemental damage, your new weapon swing is now 65,000 - 100,000 for a total increase in damage of around 10%. (an additional 2X% min damage).

This is assuming your original weapon swing was all physical element (ie you don't have +elemental damage type on your weapon.)
Warmonger
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States69 Posts
September 20 2012 19:48 GMT
#14169
On September 21 2012 04:15 Phael wrote:
if your weapon swing was 50,000 - 100,000 and your triumvirate had a combined +15% elemental damage, your new weapon swing is now 65,000 - 100,000 for a total increase in damage of around 10%. (an additional 2X% min damage).

This is assuming your original weapon swing was all physical element (ie you don't have +elemental damage type on your weapon.)


These numbers don't make any sense to me. Why is the +X% to <element> damage adding to only minimum damage, why do you list a 30% increase on min damage as an overall 10% damage increase, and what do you mean by "an additional 2X% min damage"?
Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
September 20 2012 19:52 GMT
#14170
So I bought an Oculus with 4 sec cooldown reduction, apparently it doesn't proc on Wormhole but on all other runes. WTF Blizzard!!!
Meh
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
September 20 2012 20:12 GMT
#14171
On September 21 2012 04:48 Warmonger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 04:15 Phael wrote:
if your weapon swing was 50,000 - 100,000 and your triumvirate had a combined +15% elemental damage, your new weapon swing is now 65,000 - 100,000 for a total increase in damage of around 10%. (an additional 2X% min damage).

This is assuming your original weapon swing was all physical element (ie you don't have +elemental damage type on your weapon.)


These numbers don't make any sense to me. Why is the +X% to <element> damage adding to only minimum damage, why do you list a 30% increase on min damage as an overall 10% damage increase, and what do you mean by "an additional 2X% min damage"?


Blame blizzard programmers. That is exactly the way it works.

The phrase "adds x% to [element] damage" translates to:

"Adds 2*x% of your minimum physical damage as [element] damage." - so a 15% triumvirate would add 30% of your minimum physical damage.

Assuming your damage range was 50-100k, as I did in the example, then adds +15% elemental damage from triumvirate would translate over to a 10% overall damage increase.

While this isn't as ideal as a straight 15% damage increase, the added damage -is- elemental in nature, so if you have a triumvirate, every attack has a fire damage component (which makes conflagration work with every spell.)
Warmonger
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States69 Posts
September 20 2012 20:58 GMT
#14172
On September 21 2012 05:12 Phael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 04:48 Warmonger wrote:
On September 21 2012 04:15 Phael wrote:
if your weapon swing was 50,000 - 100,000 and your triumvirate had a combined +15% elemental damage, your new weapon swing is now 65,000 - 100,000 for a total increase in damage of around 10%. (an additional 2X% min damage).

This is assuming your original weapon swing was all physical element (ie you don't have +elemental damage type on your weapon.)


These numbers don't make any sense to me. Why is the +X% to <element> damage adding to only minimum damage, why do you list a 30% increase on min damage as an overall 10% damage increase, and what do you mean by "an additional 2X% min damage"?


Blame blizzard programmers. That is exactly the way it works.

The phrase "adds x% to [element] damage" translates to:

"Adds 2*x% of your minimum physical damage as [element] damage." - so a 15% triumvirate would add 30% of your minimum physical damage.

Assuming your damage range was 50-100k, as I did in the example, then adds +15% elemental damage from triumvirate would translate over to a 10% overall damage increase.

While this isn't as ideal as a straight 15% damage increase, the added damage -is- elemental in nature, so if you have a triumvirate, every attack has a fire damage component (which makes conflagration work with every spell.)

Yea, that definitely not how I expected the mechanic to work. So adds x% to [element] damage is actually better for tight damage ranges.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
September 20 2012 23:34 GMT
#14173
So, is it the right moment to give another try to Diablo 3 or do I wait for the next patch ? (I hated the ah system and want to play without it).
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
September 20 2012 23:39 GMT
#14174
On September 21 2012 08:34 WhiteDog wrote:
So, is it the right moment to give another try to Diablo 3 or do I wait for the next patch ? (I hated the ah system and want to play without it).

If you left D3 beause of the AH, you better start looking for a new game. Don't see any patch taking away importance from the AH in any significant way.

Why don't you just play without the AH btw?
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 23:44:28
September 20 2012 23:42 GMT
#14175
On September 21 2012 08:39 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 08:34 WhiteDog wrote:
So, is it the right moment to give another try to Diablo 3 or do I wait for the next patch ? (I hated the ah system and want to play without it).

If you left D3 beause of the AH, you better start looking for a new game. Don't see any patch taking away importance from the AH in any significant way.

Why don't you just play without the AH btw?

I played at the release, got fucking frustrated at act 2 inferno and couldn't do anything without farming gold and buying at the AH, because I never droppped a thing farming item in act 4 hell and act 1 inferno. But I liked the game aside from that, just the feeling you get from farming was so underwhelming, rare items doesn't have the charisma legendary had in d2 too.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
September 20 2012 23:50 GMT
#14176
On September 21 2012 08:42 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 08:39 Cascade wrote:
On September 21 2012 08:34 WhiteDog wrote:
So, is it the right moment to give another try to Diablo 3 or do I wait for the next patch ? (I hated the ah system and want to play without it).

If you left D3 beause of the AH, you better start looking for a new game. Don't see any patch taking away importance from the AH in any significant way.

Why don't you just play without the AH btw?

I played at the release, got fucking frustrated at act 2 inferno and couldn't do anything without farming gold and buying at the AH, because I never droppped a thing farming item in act 4 hell and act 1 inferno. But I liked the game aside from that, just the feeling you get from farming was so underwhelming, rare items doesn't have the charisma legendary had in d2 too.


Well it's certainly a lot easier to play without using the AH now. I cleared Inferno with gear that probably couldn't get very far into A2.... (just guessing, 700 resists, 22k dps, 6.4k armor) I probably spent less than 500k on the AH as well, so grinding for gear isn't as bad either IMO.

The last patch also revamped all the legendaries; aside from a lot of them being pretty much best in slot or close to it. A ton of unique effects where added to legendaries (some cosmetic, some unique mechanics and some in between - ie unique mechanic that mostly looks pretty like Sever).
Lokrium
Profile Joined March 2011
United States131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 10:57:01
September 21 2012 02:35 GMT
#14177
Finally manage to farm act 3 reasonably well with 100% MF from gear, get 2 legendarys in as many runs...
+ Show Spoiler +
The Inquisitor & Frostburn Gauntlets, sold for a grand total of 200k.

Edit: Third worthless legendary! Hellrack ftw.
double edit: Fourth worthless Legendary! Int Cindercoat sold for 80k!
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 21 2012 02:54 GMT
#14178
Well my ww barb is going to be dead pretty much next patch. The question is do I spend money and time into a new class? I have them all at 60 and all decently geared already but to make farming efficient I'm going to have to spend money. So do I upgrade another class and basically lose ~20 paragon levels or do I spend money to gear my barb for the new patch. Hmmmmmmmm
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 21 2012 03:16 GMT
#14179
Seriously, way too much overreaction to the Barb changes. It's ridiculously easy to make up that difference. For extremely well-geared barbs, they aren't even going to notice a difference.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Rowa
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium962 Posts
September 22 2012 19:55 GMT
#14180
Hello I have a simple question,

A very friendly guy managed to make me drop my godlike offhand to test, we even were on skype etc, 5 seconds later he was gone from my friendlist (ingame and on skype), this is a very valuable lesson for me i suppose, but is there any way for me to get my item back addressing blizzard or anything like that ?
♞ To obtain a bird's eyes is to turn a blizzard to a breeze ♞
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