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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
September 09 2012 21:12 GMT
#14081
Is there any point in picking up stuff below certain ilvls?

I know sellable weapons start at ilvl61 but what for the other pieces?
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 09 2012 21:19 GMT
#14082
On September 10 2012 06:12 BluzMan wrote:
Is there any point in picking up stuff below certain ilvls?

I know sellable weapons start at ilvl61 but what for the other pieces?


Depends on the person. If you want to use your time to sell lower level stuff then go for it. I only pick up 61+ weapons and armor, 60+ jewelry, tomes and flawless square gems, and all legendary/set items. Some people even cut out tomes and gems, which I am also considering atm.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Banishment
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany102 Posts
September 09 2012 21:36 GMT
#14083
How do you know that an item is below a certain Level? Do you just pick them up and throw them out when you see that they are probably garbage anyways? Or do you know all names by experience :D?
Seviro
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada98 Posts
September 09 2012 21:42 GMT
#14084
On September 10 2012 06:36 Banishment wrote:
How do you know that an item is below a certain Level? Do you just pick them up and throw them out when you see that they are probably garbage anyways? Or do you know all names by experience :D?


If you press CTRL when you hover an item on the ground you can see the stats of the item.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
September 10 2012 12:19 GMT
#14085
Ok they have to fix the damn bidding system, seriously. Second time today i am sniped out of an item. An MF head for 500k, i bid 1mil as the timer hits <1 min(this isn't close to a minute btw, even if you see the tick from 1min to <1min it is less then 50 seconds i have checked) nothing happens for twenty seconds or so, then i am outbid. I make a new bid at 1,5 mil EEEHHH bid too small to be winning bid, i make a new bid EEEHHH auction expired, item sold.

This is so goddamn dumb. When you bid with a minute remaining every new bid should add atleast a minute to the timer.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 13:04:54
September 10 2012 12:50 GMT
#14086
On September 10 2012 21:19 unkkz wrote:
Ok they have to fix the damn bidding system, seriously. Second time today i am sniped out of an item. An MF head for 500k, i bid 1mil as the timer hits <1 min(this isn't close to a minute btw, even if you see the tick from 1min to <1min it is less then 50 seconds i have checked) nothing happens for twenty seconds or so, then i am outbid. I make a new bid at 1,5 mil EEEHHH bid too small to be winning bid, i make a new bid EEEHHH auction expired, item sold.

This is so goddamn dumb. When you bid with a minute remaining every new bid should add atleast a minute to the timer.

The bidding system is broken, because someone else was prepared to pay more for the item than you were and you did a crappy job of sniping?

If you're unhappy you didn't win the item it's because you entered a value that was LESS than what you thought the item was really worth. Just actually bid the max amount you would be prepared to pay, and then if you are outbid it means the item has reached a price you thought was too expensive anyway. If it goes for cheaper, you get the price difference. Easy. Sniping only works because people don't enter the real values they are prepared to pay as their max bid.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
September 10 2012 13:51 GMT
#14087
On September 10 2012 21:19 unkkz wrote:
Ok they have to fix the damn bidding system, seriously. Second time today i am sniped out of an item. An MF head for 500k, i bid 1mil as the timer hits <1 min(this isn't close to a minute btw, even if you see the tick from 1min to <1min it is less then 50 seconds i have checked) nothing happens for twenty seconds or so, then i am outbid. I make a new bid at 1,5 mil EEEHHH bid too small to be winning bid, i make a new bid EEEHHH auction expired, item sold.

This is so goddamn dumb. When you bid with a minute remaining every new bid should add atleast a minute to the timer.


You just didn't play/understand it well.

The result of your search stays in cache if you don't changes search parameters. Next time, increase the value of 1 and search every second until you see the number of minutes left changes in the last 5 min. Then you can start the timer of your phone or something to be exactly sure when it ends so you can place your bid in the last 5 seconds.

Bid system is working good. Learn and understand before you complain, it makes you look better when you have an informed opinion/feedback when you bash something.
Brood War is forever
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 14:46:06
September 10 2012 13:57 GMT
#14088
still, i think the 'each bid adds 1 minute before auction ends' idea is pretty good.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Monkeyballs25
Profile Joined October 2010
531 Posts
September 10 2012 17:23 GMT
#14089
On September 10 2012 22:57 oneofthem wrote:
still, i think the 'each bid adds 1 minute before auction ends' idea is pretty good.


Seems like there'd be a lot of potential for abuse, if you could extend auctions indefinitely.
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
September 10 2012 17:31 GMT
#14090
Why extend? You enter in a max amount you're willing to pay, and the system automatically bids the lowest winning bid for you up to that amount. Unless you expect to change your mind about the most you're willing to pay in that 1 min before the auction expires, nothing matters.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
September 10 2012 17:36 GMT
#14091
Yeah, I'm for the if the "bid is made 5 mins before the end of the auction, the auction is extended to 5 mins" or an equivalent implementations. This will save time of ppl bid sniping and put the price they actually want to pay.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 10 2012 17:48 GMT
#14092
On September 11 2012 02:36 Azzur wrote:
Yeah, I'm for the if the "bid is made 5 mins before the end of the auction, the auction is extended to 5 mins" or an equivalent implementations. This will save time of ppl bid sniping and put the price they actually want to pay.

But bid snipers don't change this at all - sniping simply exploits the people that are too stupid to put the actual amount they were prepared to pay for the item in the 'max bid' box. Just put the price you actually want to pay in the box, and you can't be sniped by definition.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 10 2012 18:02 GMT
#14093
On September 11 2012 02:23 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 22:57 oneofthem wrote:
still, i think the 'each bid adds 1 minute before auction ends' idea is pretty good.


Seems like there'd be a lot of potential for abuse, if you could extend auctions indefinitely.

if you are willing to pay 5% or whatever increments then the seller would be pleased as well.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 10 2012 18:03 GMT
#14094
On September 11 2012 02:48 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 02:36 Azzur wrote:
Yeah, I'm for the if the "bid is made 5 mins before the end of the auction, the auction is extended to 5 mins" or an equivalent implementations. This will save time of ppl bid sniping and put the price they actually want to pay.

But bid snipers don't change this at all - sniping simply exploits the people that are too stupid to put the actual amount they were prepared to pay for the item in the 'max bid' box. Just put the price you actually want to pay in the box, and you can't be sniped by definition.

it's not to fix sniping, just to remove a tedious mechanism involving stopwatching etc. people who don't really bother to do that shouldn't be punished for not doing it.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
September 10 2012 18:03 GMT
#14095
Of 3 people snipe with 2 seconds left usually the higher bid wins... With one exception

Über sword of awesome: 547,888 current bid, 50,000,000 buyout. 3 people think the item is worth a good amount and waiting I snipe with 2 seconds left.

2.01 seconds left: Player 1: 5,000,000 bid
2.00 seconds left: Player 2: 4,000,000 bid
1.5 seconds left: Player 3: 5,000,321 bid

So P3 wins right? nope. P1 does, because the minimum bid after P1's bid is higher than P3's bid, thus P3's bid "fails" and P2 and P3 are wondering why their multi million gold snipe failed.

Tl;dr: Forget sniping and bid your max amount anytime you see an item you want so the seller can't cancel and make someone spend more than you think it's worth. Bidding wars make emotions part of the equation and the item will be worth less in a week anyways.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 18:32:08
September 10 2012 18:31 GMT
#14096
On September 11 2012 03:03 Burrfoot wrote:
Of 3 people snipe with 2 seconds left usually the higher bid wins... With one exception

Über sword of awesome: 547,888 current bid, 50,000,000 buyout. 3 people think the item is worth a good amount and waiting I snipe with 2 seconds left.

2.01 seconds left: Player 1: 5,000,000 bid
2.00 seconds left: Player 2: 4,000,000 bid
1.5 seconds left: Player 3: 5,000,321 bid

So P3 wins right? nope. P1 does, because the minimum bid after P1's bid is higher than P3's bid, thus P3's bid "fails" and P2 and P3 are wondering why their multi million gold snipe failed.

Tl;dr: Forget sniping and bid your max amount anytime you see an item you want so the seller can't cancel and make someone spend more than you think it's worth. Bidding wars make emotions part of the equation and the item will be worth less in a week anyways.



Or, player 3 could have just bid 5,000,321 a day before the auction was about to end, and it would STILL display ~575k current bid.

Player 1 and 2 who try to snipe at 2 seconds left would not win, they'd only push the minimum bid up. Player 3 would win the item paying around ~4.8 mil.

Why don't people understand that the system will AUTOMATICALLY BID FOR YOU if you post a higher max bid?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 10 2012 18:36 GMT
#14097
capital reserves is important though. you don't want to tie up 50m in something that ends in 30 hours.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 19:09:48
September 10 2012 18:51 GMT
#14098
Yea, I always bid the minimum in a long time remaining auction just to have it saved to my tab, then bid my max when I know it will end before I get back from work/out/movie/etc. Granted, I only win ~10% of the items I bid on this way, but that's because I'm a cheap bastard.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
September 10 2012 19:13 GMT
#14099
On September 11 2012 03:36 oneofthem wrote:
capital reserves is important though. you don't want to tie up 50m in something that ends in 30 hours.


Sure, you just post your max bid after you know you won't need that gold until the bid ends. If the bid ends at say, 6am, just post your max bid then go to sleep. If it ends in an hour, post your max bid and start another farming session, etc. There's no reason to furiously refresh and bid under 5 min left, which is what the people above are saying by increasing the auction duration by 1 min or to 5 min every time a new bid goes in.

Doing that would actually be *worse*: people tend to overbid their max when they see they aren't winning an item. Nothing but impulse buying, and it just makes those who do it poorer, and increasing auction length only caters to this pattern.
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
September 10 2012 19:26 GMT
#14100
On September 11 2012 02:23 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 22:57 oneofthem wrote:
still, i think the 'each bid adds 1 minute before auction ends' idea is pretty good.


Seems like there'd be a lot of potential for abuse, if you could extend auctions indefinitely.


Yeah, that would be terrible. Imagine someone harrasses you by bidding several billions on your item, so instead of getting 2 million now, you get 999.999.999 Gold two days later.

I'm shuddering even to contemplate such horror.
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