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Flummie
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands417 Posts
August 31 2012 21:49 GMT
#13961
I don't know how long 1.04 will last. In my experience its just the same stuff... loot is still really bad and the game feels like one unrewarding piece of crap still :D You can put so much time in it without being able to improve your character and that makes me wonder if all is worthwile or not. Will give it another week
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 01 2012 05:47 GMT
#13962
On September 01 2012 06:49 Flummie wrote:
I don't know how long 1.04 will last. In my experience its just the same stuff... loot is still really bad and the game feels like one unrewarding piece of crap still :D You can put so much time in it without being able to improve your character and that makes me wonder if all is worthwile or not. Will give it another week

Loot is slightly improved and with Paragon you will be getting more of it faster the higher you level it. game is fine, it's just not for everyone.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Monkeyballs25
Profile Joined October 2010
531 Posts
September 01 2012 11:37 GMT
#13963
I had a slightly horrifying moment when I finally started researching AH prices(I'm two paragon levels into Inferno, just hit 60), and realised how worthless all the stuff I've collected is.

Guess I just have to farm gold and xp and hope for that one in a million drop. Trouble is apart from legendaries and high dps weapons, I'm not even that sure what the threshold for a worthwhile item is.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 01 2012 13:49 GMT
#13964
On September 01 2012 14:47 Obvious.660 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 06:49 Flummie wrote:
I don't know how long 1.04 will last. In my experience its just the same stuff... loot is still really bad and the game feels like one unrewarding piece of crap still :D You can put so much time in it without being able to improve your character and that makes me wonder if all is worthwile or not. Will give it another week

Loot is slightly improved and with Paragon you will be getting more of it faster the higher you level it. game is fine, it's just not for everyone.

"Paragon" and "faster" have no place being in the same sentence.

And your last sentence could apply to everything. "E.T. is fine, it's just not for everyone".
Average means I'm better than half of you.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 01 2012 19:53 GMT
#13965
On September 01 2012 22:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 14:47 Obvious.660 wrote:
On September 01 2012 06:49 Flummie wrote:
I don't know how long 1.04 will last. In my experience its just the same stuff... loot is still really bad and the game feels like one unrewarding piece of crap still :D You can put so much time in it without being able to improve your character and that makes me wonder if all is worthwile or not. Will give it another week

Loot is slightly improved and with Paragon you will be getting more of it faster the higher you level it. game is fine, it's just not for everyone.

"Paragon" and "faster" have no place being in the same sentence.

And your last sentence could apply to everything. "E.T. is fine, it's just not for everyone".

Your first rebuttal is incorrect. Paragon is a passive buff to relevant stats, namely 3 main-stat, gold find, and magic find, correct? The higher your Paragon level, the faster your primary objective is completed: killing demons and undead stuff to find cool things, with a higher chance of obtaining those cool things each time you gain a Paragon level. It's very straightforward, really.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 19:57:19
September 01 2012 19:56 GMT
#13966
On September 02 2012 04:53 Obvious.660 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 22:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 01 2012 14:47 Obvious.660 wrote:
On September 01 2012 06:49 Flummie wrote:
I don't know how long 1.04 will last. In my experience its just the same stuff... loot is still really bad and the game feels like one unrewarding piece of crap still :D You can put so much time in it without being able to improve your character and that makes me wonder if all is worthwile or not. Will give it another week

Loot is slightly improved and with Paragon you will be getting more of it faster the higher you level it. game is fine, it's just not for everyone.

"Paragon" and "faster" have no place being in the same sentence.

And your last sentence could apply to everything. "E.T. is fine, it's just not for everyone".

Your first rebuttal is incorrect. Paragon is a passive buff to relevant stats, namely 3 main-stat, gold find, and magic find, correct? The higher your Paragon level, the faster your primary objective is completed: killing demons and undead stuff to find cool things, with a higher chance of obtaining those cool things each time you gain a Paragon level. It's very straightforward, really.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying that paragon levels don't equal faster/better MF and I'm 99.99% sure he merely meant that Paragon levels are slow as fuck to get. Meaning it takes forever to get paragon levels, not that Paragon levels will slow down your MF runs etc. -.-

Edit: Also I nearly spit my beer out all over my keyboard after reading your name XD Ohh the irony....
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 01 2012 20:10 GMT
#13967
On September 02 2012 04:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 04:53 Obvious.660 wrote:
On September 01 2012 22:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 01 2012 14:47 Obvious.660 wrote:
On September 01 2012 06:49 Flummie wrote:
I don't know how long 1.04 will last. In my experience its just the same stuff... loot is still really bad and the game feels like one unrewarding piece of crap still :D You can put so much time in it without being able to improve your character and that makes me wonder if all is worthwile or not. Will give it another week

Loot is slightly improved and with Paragon you will be getting more of it faster the higher you level it. game is fine, it's just not for everyone.

"Paragon" and "faster" have no place being in the same sentence.

And your last sentence could apply to everything. "E.T. is fine, it's just not for everyone".

Your first rebuttal is incorrect. Paragon is a passive buff to relevant stats, namely 3 main-stat, gold find, and magic find, correct? The higher your Paragon level, the faster your primary objective is completed: killing demons and undead stuff to find cool things, with a higher chance of obtaining those cool things each time you gain a Paragon level. It's very straightforward, really.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying that paragon levels don't equal faster/better MF and I'm 99.99% sure he merely meant that Paragon levels are slow as fuck to get. Meaning it takes forever to get paragon levels, not that Paragon levels will slow down your MF runs etc. -.-

Edit: Also I nearly spit my beer out all over my keyboard after reading your name XD Ohh the irony....

Thank you :D
Yeah, I really wasn't sure how to read it, so I just said it a different way to cover my bases. I guess Paragon levels can feel like they take a while, but playing for fun with a friend passes the time pretty easily and gets you that XP righteous quick. I play relatively infrequently and am at level 6 or 7 with it. To boot, I even found a nice pair of shoulders for my monk alt! Just saying that the OP of the quote nest seemed like maybe this game wasn't for him/her if he/she hasn't found it fun since 1.0.3 or whatever changes ruined it (hell, maybe the game was ruined for him/her from the very start). Ergo, like I said before, this game isn't for everyone.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
September 01 2012 20:13 GMT
#13968
On September 02 2012 05:10 Obvious.660 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 04:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On September 02 2012 04:53 Obvious.660 wrote:
On September 01 2012 22:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 01 2012 14:47 Obvious.660 wrote:
On September 01 2012 06:49 Flummie wrote:
I don't know how long 1.04 will last. In my experience its just the same stuff... loot is still really bad and the game feels like one unrewarding piece of crap still :D You can put so much time in it without being able to improve your character and that makes me wonder if all is worthwile or not. Will give it another week

Loot is slightly improved and with Paragon you will be getting more of it faster the higher you level it. game is fine, it's just not for everyone.

"Paragon" and "faster" have no place being in the same sentence.

And your last sentence could apply to everything. "E.T. is fine, it's just not for everyone".

Your first rebuttal is incorrect. Paragon is a passive buff to relevant stats, namely 3 main-stat, gold find, and magic find, correct? The higher your Paragon level, the faster your primary objective is completed: killing demons and undead stuff to find cool things, with a higher chance of obtaining those cool things each time you gain a Paragon level. It's very straightforward, really.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying that paragon levels don't equal faster/better MF and I'm 99.99% sure he merely meant that Paragon levels are slow as fuck to get. Meaning it takes forever to get paragon levels, not that Paragon levels will slow down your MF runs etc. -.-

Edit: Also I nearly spit my beer out all over my keyboard after reading your name XD Ohh the irony....

Thank you :D
Yeah, I really wasn't sure how to read it, so I just said it a different way to cover my bases. I guess Paragon levels can feel like they take a while, but playing for fun with a friend passes the time pretty easily and gets you that XP righteous quick. I play relatively infrequently and am at level 6 or 7 with it. To boot, I even found a nice pair of shoulders for my monk alt! Just saying that the OP of the quote nest seemed like maybe this game wasn't for him/her if he/she hasn't found it fun since 1.0.3 or whatever changes ruined it (hell, maybe the game was ruined for him/her from the very start). Ergo, like I said before, this game isn't for everyone.

Haha no worries man! And yea I can see what you mean by the game might not be for him. I actually just started playing again after they added the paragon levels and buffed drops etc. I've been having fun the last couple of days, though I have to admit the grind is starting to get quite boring again to me... I've gone back to the point just before I stopped playing last time where I just login, check my auctions then log out T.T Which sucks I love the diablo series but this game just can't keep my interest so far... Ahh well, like you said, just not for everyone!
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#13969
I think it works out best when you don't force yourself to play. I have found playing with a friend and BSing on Skype is a good way to keep things fresh. You can add more friends, switch acts if you get bored of the scenery, play some hardcore mode now that the servers are relatively stable . Hardcore is really fun, if you haven't tried yet, give it a go. It's the same thing but more exciting!
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
September 01 2012 23:41 GMT
#13970
Are you fucking kidding me...... found a perfect chest armor for my wizard in the auction house, had a last minute bidding war, got logged out for some fucking reason, didn't get the item.
Fuck this game.
http://twitter.com/lechocopaw
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 02 2012 00:05 GMT
#13971
throw all your bankroll into it the next time.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 00:52:47
September 02 2012 00:48 GMT
#13972
K wtf lol. AH troubles. There was a solid pair of INT/AllRes Firewalkers going on sale with no buyout. Time left: 30mins. The current bid was ~19M. I figured, all right, I will just throw down 30M, knowing it's best to just put down what you'd pay at the max instead of trying to do little increments against other bidders over and over.

So when I put down 30M, the current bid put me in the lead, and bumped it up to 23M. I figured okay cool, hopefully I'll get them below 30M and get some of my money back. Sure enough, no one else bid til the auction closed. Was thinking...ok sweet, 30M was just my cap, but I won it at 23M, so I'll get 7M back. Nope! Charged me the full 30M even though the bid was only pushed up to 23M...lol.

Had no idea it worked that way! It makes me reconsider outright putting up what I would at max pay since I could have just edged my bid up til I passed the previous high-bidder and stopped at 23M, saving me 7M

On September 01 2012 20:37 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
I had a slightly horrifying moment when I finally started researching AH prices(I'm two paragon levels into Inferno, just hit 60), and realised how worthless all the stuff I've collected is.

Guess I just have to farm gold and xp and hope for that one in a million drop. Trouble is apart from legendaries and high dps weapons, I'm not even that sure what the threshold for a worthwhile item is.


I'd say for armors/jewelry the threshold for a sure-seller is a piece with 3+ useful stats, moderate-to-highly rolled in value.

E.g. Ring: decent crit/crit dmg/main stat

-or-
Pants: Good All Res, 2 sockets, decent Vit/Main stat
dottycakes
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada548 Posts
September 02 2012 02:43 GMT
#13973
The AH works like how you originally thought it worked. Someone just bid at the last second to bump your bid up.
javy_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1677 Posts
September 02 2012 03:11 GMT
#13974
On September 02 2012 11:43 dottycakes wrote:
The AH works like how you originally thought it worked. Someone just bid at the last second to bump your bid up.


yup, this is why you don't put ur max bid and just afk because someone could spite you by bidding just under you.
♪~( ̄。 ̄)
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 03:56:20
September 02 2012 03:52 GMT
#13975
On September 02 2012 12:11 javy925 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 11:43 dottycakes wrote:
The AH works like how you originally thought it worked. Someone just bid at the last second to bump your bid up.


yup, this is why you don't put ur max bid and just afk because someone could spite you by bidding just under you.


But how do they know what's just under you? It only bumps the bid in set increments at a time, from what I've noticed. For example, let's say the bid was currently 19M. Let's say another person has a maximum bid in place for 22.7M. You decide the maximum you're willing to pay is 30M, so you enter that. The AH will then bump the current bid up to ~23M, placing you in the lead because 30M > 23M; your max is greater than his. But the other guy does not necessarily know your maximum bid -- he only knows that his maximum was surpassed. So how will he know to enter in 29.5M, thereby just barely losing on purpose (spitefully) and causing you to pay near your maximum bid?

Another thing I don't quite get is how it bumped the bid up to exactly 30M in my case (isn't there a minimum value the bid can increase each round?). Wouldn't it be more likely to have ended on, say 29.XX mil? Is there an exception to a minimum increase? Say he entered 29.99M as his final maximum bid -- would that enable the bid to then increase by only 10K (something normally not allowed), thereby allowing my 30M maximum to win the bid?

Maybe i'm just totally misunderstanding something here ha
Sylvr
Profile Joined May 2010
United States524 Posts
September 02 2012 03:52 GMT
#13976
On September 02 2012 12:11 javy925 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 11:43 dottycakes wrote:
The AH works like how you originally thought it worked. Someone just bid at the last second to bump your bid up.


yup, this is why you don't put ur max bid and just afk because someone could spite you by bidding just under you.


Er, they don't know what you max bid, so they can't drive it up just to spite you. For all they know, you're already at your max, which means that if they put in another bid, they might end up in the lead, and suddenly their "troll bid" just trolled themselves.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 02 2012 04:30 GMT
#13977
gentlemen, what should my next upgrade be?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/CoryG-1137/hero/415572
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
javy_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1677 Posts
September 02 2012 05:59 GMT
#13978
On September 02 2012 12:52 Sylvr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 12:11 javy925 wrote:
On September 02 2012 11:43 dottycakes wrote:
The AH works like how you originally thought it worked. Someone just bid at the last second to bump your bid up.


yup, this is why you don't put ur max bid and just afk because someone could spite you by bidding just under you.


Er, they don't know what you max bid, so they can't drive it up just to spite you. For all they know, you're already at your max, which means that if they put in another bid, they might end up in the lead, and suddenly their "troll bid" just trolled themselves.


yeah nvm, I forgot you can't see the newest bid without refreshing the page.
♪~( ̄。 ̄)
Resolve
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore679 Posts
September 02 2012 07:33 GMT
#13979
There are good reasons why you only put your real bid in the last few seconds of an auction.

First, buyers' willingness to pay goes up when there is only a limited time to make decisions. Imagine you were willing to pay 30M for those firewalkers but the bid when it's 10 seconds left goes up to 31M. You'd probably be like "ah heck it i'll just bid 32M and I might just win then I wouldn't have to think about this upgrade anymore" (since 2M is quite insignificant compared to the total bid).

Also, bidding at the last minute lets you win auctions you shouldn't. Not everyone bids at the last moment, but imagine someone else willing to pay 40M for those boots but figured he might save some gold so he bids 25M and leads the auction since you had not bid yet. Time passes and its 3s left (use a stopwatch), you go in with a bid of 30M, he panicks and tries to outbid you but guess what: Auction has Expired.
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
September 02 2012 07:37 GMT
#13980
On September 02 2012 13:30 UniversalSnip wrote:
gentlemen, what should my next upgrade be?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/CoryG-1137/hero/415572


Probably gloves they seem to be pretty doo
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