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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 19 2012 13:57 GMT
#12381
http://www.diablofans.com/blizz-tracker/topic/227302-patch-103-now-live/
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
deducter
Profile Joined May 2011
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 14:07:40
June 19 2012 14:07 GMT
#12382
On June 19 2012 20:34 Medrea wrote:

Rares per time = What you are shooting for. Everything has an effect here. Time spent salvaging in town. Managing bank alts. Browsing the AH between runs. Its all a drop in your magic per hour.


I always run with passive MF as a Wizard, I can stack up to about 230, with perhaps only 15-20 mil worth of gear, a cheap set for starting out. I've been spending some time refining methods for item hunting, but this is harder to do by myself, and there is very little discussion about this, usually people only bother posting about how their wizard has 120k dps or about MF swapping, which is pointless if it doesn't increase your rare/hour.

Still, 80 rares/hour is impressive with what, 200 passive MF? Even doing Act 1 with 215 passive MF, I don't tend to get more than about 2-2.5 bag full of rares in an hour, which is about 60. In Act 2 I can manage perhaps 40 rares/hour. I assume your rate is from Act 3.

On June 19 2012 22:56 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 21:37 Medrea wrote:
I didnt expect people to throw enormous amounts of money at this game. On garbage items to boot. I think its surprising pretty much everyone. As for the metrics, thats exactly how D2 worked at high levels. At all times. For all time.



I have to agree with this. I sold a Natalya's helm that I wasn't using for $100 because it only had 15% and didn't have a socket. Legendaries and set items sell even if their stats aren't very good. I've sold a lot of cheap $5-$20 crap, too. And a 17% IAS amulet yesterday for $120.


It amazes me, who are these people paying money for crap? For instance, I have a 770 armor 80 str 200 vita 80 all resist pants, do you think that could sell on the RMAH? This is considered a good, okay, or crap item on the RMAH? I've noticed many of the good items have moved to the RMAH and the GAH has become more or less worthless unless you have 50 mil+ to spend on items.

I suspect the RMAH will slack off once in a while, which is exactly why Blizzard will do stuff like buff the legendaries. I'm pretty sure Blizzard intentionally designed many legendaries to be crap so they could be improved in a patch and encourage more RMAH trading with patches.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 14:12:59
June 19 2012 14:11 GMT
#12383
Nearly all the good items are on the GAH or on BST forums. Not many are willing to put an godly item up for $250 with a $1 + 15% cut when you can sell it for hundreds of millions and than sell the gold for $5 / mil if one wanted to.
LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 14:23:17
June 19 2012 14:18 GMT
#12384
Among the changes that we weren't already aware of:

    Demon Hunter
          Active Skills
          Bug Fixes
                Elemental Arrow
                Skill Rune – Nether Tentacles
                Tentacles will now only hit each target once

    Magic Find will no longer be considered when looting objects in the environment such as chests, barrels, vases, pots, and corpses

    Weapon racks will no longer drop weapons 100% of the time

    Destructible objects no longer have a chance to drop items, and will only have a small chance to drop gold when destroyed

    Players wearing +Life on Kill items should no longer receive a benefit from this affix when "killing" friendly monsters (e.g. when a witch doctor re-summons a Spider Queen while another Spider Queen is still active)

    Colossal Golgor base damage has been reduced
    Herald of Pestilence tentacle attack damage has been reduced
    Soul Ripper and Soul Lasher damage has been reduced and both monsters will now run away less often

    Bloodclan Warriors no longer knockback when buffed and attack slightly slower

    Leaders of Invulnerable Minions packs have had their health pools reduced

I don't think this was common knowledge, but leaders of Invulnerable Minion packs used to also automatically get Extra Health (about +33% max life). The damage reductions to several mobs and bosses stacked on top of the general Inferno act II-IV damage reduction should be interesting to see.

EDIT: I'm quite pleased with the changes overall. Golgors, Heralds, Soul Rippers, and Bloodclan Warriors were all problem monsters from a Barbarian perspective so it's nice to see them addressed. That monster fleeing frequency and distance was also addressed was expected but also helpful.
deducter
Profile Joined May 2011
United States80 Posts
June 19 2012 14:20 GMT
#12385
On June 19 2012 23:11 skyR wrote:
Nearly all the good items are on the GAH or on BST forums. Not many are willing to put an godly item up for $250 with a $1 + 15% cut when you can sell it for hundreds of millions and than sell the gold for $5 / mil if one wanted to.


Anything worth buying on the GAH is going to be expensive. I am not familiar with the RMAH so I'd appreciate any insights into that. However, I doubt anyone is selling their gold for $5/mil. Last night the spam rate was $3/mil, and this will keep dropping, although I don't know where the floor is. I think it'll be somewhere betwen $0.5-$0.05/mil, given the worthlessness of gold.
Sky_
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada116 Posts
June 19 2012 14:21 GMT
#12386
Wow, they nerfed nether tentacles...
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 19 2012 14:22 GMT
#12387
On June 19 2012 23:21 Sky_ wrote:
Wow, they nerfed nether tentacles...

yeah, extremely. probably not the best skill now, right? maybe back to ball lightning or something.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 14:24:26
June 19 2012 14:23 GMT
#12388
On June 19 2012 23:21 Sky_ wrote:
Wow, they nerfed nether tentacles...

Bout time too. DH was so broken.

Ball lightning is still damn good.
coopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States144 Posts
June 19 2012 14:23 GMT
#12389
nether tent nerfed - time to go dual 1 hander mass crit/crit dmg build gg
deducter
Profile Joined May 2011
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 14:24:38
June 19 2012 14:24 GMT
#12390
Siegebreaker

General
Overall damage has been reduced
No longer vulnerable to Confuse and Charm effects
Will now drop a health globe every 25% health mark (i.e. at 75%, 50%, and 25% health)
Now enrages after 4 minutes
In Inferno difficulty, Siegebreaker will now gain the Reflects Damage affix

That last one is not going to be friendly to the DH with 20k hp and 150k dps. Although now that champions give 1 extra rare at 5 NV, I think boss runs will be a thing of the past for efficient item hunting.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
June 19 2012 14:24 GMT
#12391
so we still can't cancel our auctions anytime ? damn.

glad they didn't really nerf wizards, besides the general aspd nerf. Wondering how the improved pathing will work, i got pretty good at getting mobs stuck Sad they didn't just remove invuln minions because unless i can get them stuck there's no way i can ever kill them :/
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
June 19 2012 14:24 GMT
#12392
Can you guys explain how big a nerf this is for DHs? Never played the class but was watching streams where people roflstomp bosses in under 10 seconds.
#1 Grubby Fan.
coopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States144 Posts
June 19 2012 14:25 GMT
#12393
On June 19 2012 23:24 Derrida wrote:
Can you guys explain how big a nerf this is for DHs? Never played the class but was watching streams where people roflstomp bosses in under 10 seconds.


its the diference between one spell that crit for 100-200k with gear hitting once and hitting 3-5 times on the same target..

its massive lol
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 14:31:06
June 19 2012 14:26 GMT
#12394
On June 19 2012 23:24 Derrida wrote:
Can you guys explain how big a nerf this is for DHs? Never played the class but was watching streams where people roflstomp bosses in under 10 seconds.

that will be over. i dunno how often nether tentacle hit bosses liked azmodan, but it seemed like 4-5 times to me... plus the IAS nerf will be a huge DPS loss for many

but... doesn't ball lighning to multi hitting too? maybe not as bad as nether tentacles but i had that feeling. plus it has more AoE, so it isn't really terrible except for you'll die to reflect pretty badly now.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 19 2012 14:32 GMT
#12395
On June 19 2012 23:26 HolydaKing wrote:
but... doesn't ball lighning to multi hitting too? maybe not as bad as nether tentacles but i had that feeling. plus it has more AoE, so it isn't really terrible except for you'll die to reflect pretty badly now.

It does, but for less damage per hit. ~half the 165% I think? It's still amazing AoE.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 19 2012 14:38 GMT
#12396
On June 19 2012 23:24 deducter wrote:
Siegebreaker

General
Overall damage has been reduced
No longer vulnerable to Confuse and Charm effects
Will now drop a health globe every 25% health mark (i.e. at 75%, 50%, and 25% health)
Now enrages after 4 minutes
In Inferno difficulty, Siegebreaker will now gain the Reflects Damage affix

That last one is not going to be friendly to the DH with 20k hp and 150k dps. Although now that champions give 1 extra rare at 5 NV, I think boss runs will be a thing of the past for efficient item hunting.

What??? Time to farm Inferno Whimsy all the way....
=Þ
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 19 2012 14:41 GMT
#12397
Pony land got nerfed so hard, not even sure why you bother wasting your time in that place now lol...
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 14:46:30
June 19 2012 14:41 GMT
#12398
That reflect dmg + enrage timer on Siegebreaker will mean I can no longer do it on my wizard probably. Not sure how long my kills take, but I know that if I have to wait for potion cooldowns to simply survive dpsing him, it's gonna take longer than 4 minutes.
e: and since I was not in the first wave of people to farm the shit out of the game, gold is a struggle to get, so my gear is not full of int/vit/all/res +extra dps stat or life regen

Guess it's now just farming the fields and bridge for packs instead.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 19 2012 14:42 GMT
#12399
On June 19 2012 23:26 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 23:24 Derrida wrote:
Can you guys explain how big a nerf this is for DHs? Never played the class but was watching streams where people roflstomp bosses in under 10 seconds.

that will be over. i dunno how often nether tentacle hit bosses liked azmodan, but it seemed like 4-5 times to me... plus the IAS nerf will be a huge DPS loss for many

but... doesn't ball lighning to multi hitting too? maybe not as bad as nether tentacles but i had that feeling. plus it has more AoE, so it isn't really terrible except for you'll die to reflect pretty badly now.


I'm pretty sure ball lightning hits less often and has a roughly 50% damage reduction from the listed damage. I was thinking they would nerf nether tentacle multi hitting against large targets but didn't think they'd remove it completely. Ball lightning is more reliable against small, fast moving targets. Sometimes, pre-patch, I wouldn't even hit fallen that are right in front of me with nether tentacles.

I'm surprised that the list of monsters nerfed doesn't include phase beasts and terror demons. I thought they were going to reduce monster hp as well? That didn't go through?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 19 2012 14:43 GMT
#12400
I think you're all forgetting that boss guarantee rare is being lowered and that dmg output / hp is also being lowered. If you can farm Siegebreaker, chances are pretty good that you are capable of farming Spider > Az or you can just go elite hunting.
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