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lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not.
I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now.
Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up.
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On June 15 2012 00:38 hfxRos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 00:33 Krohm wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. Inferno isn't too hard that's the thing. See a pack of Elites with an annoying combination of affixes. You either.. A - Run past them B - Die a handful of times until you eventually beat them through a war of attrition. C - Kite, kite, kite, kite, and kite. (Sometimes mixed with solution B) That's not hard. It's annoying. It still amazes me that people think that's good game design. Boss fights are actually a lot better in terms of design. If this is a situation you are encountering a lot, you're either undergeared for the content you're doing, or playing a pure glass cannon build. I've been slowly working my way through Inferno, and when this happens to me, I turn around, farm more, get better gear, and come back and do the content smoothly. Sometimes I get affixes that are "dumb" (Invulnerable Minions, Molten, Fire Chains, Teleport on a ranged mob playing my Barbarian), but it's always manageable with good positioning and proper use of cooldowns. As far as bosses being "better design", I will have to disagree. Every boss is laughably easy because all of the damage is very easy to avoid as long as you have half decent reaction time and mouse accuracy.
No, some are just stupid and unbeatable. Stuff that slaughters ranged characters: mortar + horde, invuln minions, fast. 1st case: try kiting when 2000 fireballs are shooting at you. Make a mistake and die. 2nd case: your attacks are simply blocked by the clusterfuck of minions chasing you. 3rd case: Can't kite when the mobs move faster than you.
All ranged characters are glass cannons to a certain extent. They don't have the plethora of damage reduction passives that the monk and barb have.
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On June 15 2012 00:40 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 22:52 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. I just cleared the game with my second char in roughly 60 hours, no exploits, no farming etc, and that was with a melee class. I honestly don't get the hype that Inferno is unbeatable, the last two acts are pretty challenging I'll admit, but come on... aka your ranged hero paid for your melee hero to progress and then you claimed melee is fine? :D lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves. not to say melee is underpowered now, but those first few days of abusive demon hunters and mages really fucked things up.
I made the unforunate mistake of going with a Monk first. I got brickwalled by Act 2. So I made a DH and breezed through it, A3 being a problem but it's playable to a degree. So I was able to pay for better gear for my monk and my barb.
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Maybe I'm just terrible at the ranged playstyle, but when my Barbarian got stuck in Act 3 for a while, I decided to make a Demon Hunter. After dying to everything that looked at me funny when I got to Hell (I had maybe 1 or 2 deaths total on my Barb pre-inferno), I went back to my Barbarian, changed my build, practiced good positioning (like isolating elites/minions in doorways, using corners to minimize the number of things that can hit me, things like that), and slowly I got to the point where I could progress.
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On June 15 2012 00:50 hfxRos wrote:
After dying to everything that looked at me funny
There's yer problem chief. Things off screen can't look at you =P
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On June 15 2012 01:01 WirelessWaffle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 00:50 hfxRos wrote:
After dying to everything that looked at me funny There's yer problem chief. Things off screen can't look at you =P
Wait, those arrows I randomly shoot HIT things? I thought they just magically transformed into gold and items after disappearing offscreen. Damn, now I'm all confused.
I thought the only mobs were the bosses and the occasional pack of invulnerable minion, extra health, jailer, mortar Burrowing leapers. Or extra health, reflection, plagued, jailer phasebeasts. Or fast, desecrator, waller, illusionist lickers.
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Does Mantra of Conviction work on allies? It doesn't work on my friend's barb at all ._.
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On June 15 2012 01:06 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 01:01 WirelessWaffle wrote:On June 15 2012 00:50 hfxRos wrote:
After dying to everything that looked at me funny There's yer problem chief. Things off screen can't look at you =P Wait, those arrows I randomly shoot HIT things? I thought they just magically transformed into gold and items after disappearing offscreen. Damn, now I'm all confused. I thought the only mobs were the bosses and the occasional pack of invulnerable minion, extra health, jailer, mortar Burrowing leapers. Or extra health, reflection, plagued, jailer phasebeasts. Or fast, desecrator, waller, illusionist lickers.
Oh god don't even get me started on those terrible affixes lmao.
I remember when I first got into inferno on my monk I came across a pack that had Jailer/Waller/Vortex/Plague I was just getting thrown all over the place and trapped. Many laughs of disbelief were had.
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On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:Show nested quote +
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up.
show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2.
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On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2.
Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help".
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On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help".
Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual.
Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so.
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On June 15 2012 01:50 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help". Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual. Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so.
In other words, the game is being played the way it was designed?
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On June 15 2012 01:50 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help". Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual. Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so.
What's the rush? Are you racing to get first inferno diablo or something?
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On June 15 2012 01:55 darkcloud8282 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 01:50 Heh_ wrote:On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help". Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual. Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so. What's the rush? Are you racing to get first inferno diablo or something?
There's no rush. However, someone claimed that you could progress really quickly without exploiting. I'll quote it here:
On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:Show nested quote +
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up.
Edit: From the way he posted, he might still be stuck in Hell difficulty.... which explains everything.
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On June 15 2012 00:40 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 22:52 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. I just cleared the game with my second char in roughly 60 hours, no exploits, no farming etc, and that was with a melee class. I honestly don't get the hype that Inferno is unbeatable, the last two acts are pretty challenging I'll admit, but come on... aka your ranged hero paid for your melee hero to progress and then you claimed melee is fine? :D lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves. not to say melee is underpowered now, but those first few days of abusive demon hunters and mages really fucked things up.
Wrong, I had roughly 200k in the bank when I started playing my monk, and I didn't pay more than roughly 1,5 million for all gear I needed to solo Inferno, something that's easily doable while you're progressing, with no need to stop progressing. Don't come and say that's because I was "carried" by abusing the fact that I had another character.
The whole idea that Act II was "a brick wall" is nothing more than superstition, I just breezed through it. (Belial took an hour and a half admittedly, but that's all) Act III & IV were pretty hard at times, but only because of certain heavy hitting ranged mobs, that you eventually learned to dodge. Other than that it was pretty smooth, except for some unkillable rare/champion packs of course, but that goes for every class so...
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On June 15 2012 01:57 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 01:55 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:50 Heh_ wrote:On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help". Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual. Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so. What's the rush? Are you racing to get first inferno diablo or something? There's no rush. However, someone claimed that you could progress really quickly without exploiting. I'll quote it here: Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. Edit: From the way he posted, he might still be stuck in Hell difficulty.... which explains everything.
sick burn there.
On June 15 2012 02:09 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 00:40 turdburgler wrote:On June 14 2012 22:52 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. I just cleared the game with my second char in roughly 60 hours, no exploits, no farming etc, and that was with a melee class. I honestly don't get the hype that Inferno is unbeatable, the last two acts are pretty challenging I'll admit, but come on... aka your ranged hero paid for your melee hero to progress and then you claimed melee is fine? :D lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves. not to say melee is underpowered now, but those first few days of abusive demon hunters and mages really fucked things up. Wrong, I had roughly 200k in the bank when I started playing my monk, and I didn't pay more than roughly 1,5 million for all gear I needed to solo Inferno, something that's easily doable while you're progressing, with no need to stop progressing. Don't come and say that's because I was "carried" by abusing the fact that I had another character.
1.5 million gold pays for like 1 item of half decent quality. you 'found' all the rest of your gear in 80 hours of play time to kill diablo? sounds so unbelievable.
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On June 15 2012 02:09 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 00:40 turdburgler wrote:On June 14 2012 22:52 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. I just cleared the game with my second char in roughly 60 hours, no exploits, no farming etc, and that was with a melee class. I honestly don't get the hype that Inferno is unbeatable, the last two acts are pretty challenging I'll admit, but come on... aka your ranged hero paid for your melee hero to progress and then you claimed melee is fine? :D lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves. not to say melee is underpowered now, but those first few days of abusive demon hunters and mages really fucked things up. Wrong, I had roughly 200k in the bank when I started playing my monk, and I didn't pay more than roughly 1,5 million for all gear I needed to solo Inferno, something that's easily doable while you're progressing, with no need to stop progressing. Don't come and say that's because I was "carried" by abusing the fact that I had another character.
How many elites/champions did you skip? =P If it's that easy for a melee i guess i should play one... my WD has to avoid tons of them to progress.
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On June 15 2012 02:11 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 01:57 Heh_ wrote:On June 15 2012 01:55 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:50 Heh_ wrote:On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help". Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual. Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so. What's the rush? Are you racing to get first inferno diablo or something? There's no rush. However, someone claimed that you could progress really quickly without exploiting. I'll quote it here: On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. Edit: From the way he posted, he might still be stuck in Hell difficulty.... which explains everything. sick burn there. Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 02:09 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 15 2012 00:40 turdburgler wrote:On June 14 2012 22:52 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. I just cleared the game with my second char in roughly 60 hours, no exploits, no farming etc, and that was with a melee class. I honestly don't get the hype that Inferno is unbeatable, the last two acts are pretty challenging I'll admit, but come on... aka your ranged hero paid for your melee hero to progress and then you claimed melee is fine? :D lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves. not to say melee is underpowered now, but those first few days of abusive demon hunters and mages really fucked things up. Wrong, I had roughly 200k in the bank when I started playing my monk, and I didn't pay more than roughly 1,5 million for all gear I needed to solo Inferno, something that's easily doable while you're progressing, with no need to stop progressing. Don't come and say that's because I was "carried" by abusing the fact that I had another character. 1.5 million gold pays for like 1 item of half decent quality. you 'found' all the rest of your gear in 80 hours of play time to kill diablo? sounds so unbelievable.
No, I just browsed AH for everything I could find that was underpriced, you'll be surprised how easy it was. Essentially I looked for gear with >50 all res, >30 cold res (my OwE), and >75-100 dex/vit, and I could find stuff like that for every slot immediately between 50 and 200 k. Weapons were a little harder, but I just went for max LoH and ignored the damage, yielding two mere 600 dps fist weapons, but >1500 LoH overall.
All-in-all, this cost me around 1.700.000 I believe.
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On June 15 2012 01:50 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help". Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual. Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so.
just look at the hardcore AH, you cannot physically buy a 1 hander on EU at the moment about 900 dps, they just dont exist. so i dont think there are many, if any people farming act3 comfortably enough to sell off items they find. thats how the normal AH would look if people havent derped into act3 day 2. sure there would be maybe a few outlier items from the truly hardcore farmers but at the moment you can pick up a 900 dps 1 hander softcore for <500k.
that should give you a decent idea of how the game has been affected by the early day broken specs. i havent seen anything to change my opinion on this. maybe people are confused about what constitutes an act3 drop or their in denial or something but you simply cannot do act3-4 in gear of equal quality to sub 800 dps weapons.
On June 15 2012 02:15 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 02:11 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 01:57 Heh_ wrote:On June 15 2012 01:55 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:50 Heh_ wrote:On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help". Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual. Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so. What's the rush? Are you racing to get first inferno diablo or something? There's no rush. However, someone claimed that you could progress really quickly without exploiting. I'll quote it here: On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. Edit: From the way he posted, he might still be stuck in Hell difficulty.... which explains everything. sick burn there. On June 15 2012 02:09 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 15 2012 00:40 turdburgler wrote:On June 14 2012 22:52 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. I just cleared the game with my second char in roughly 60 hours, no exploits, no farming etc, and that was with a melee class. I honestly don't get the hype that Inferno is unbeatable, the last two acts are pretty challenging I'll admit, but come on... aka your ranged hero paid for your melee hero to progress and then you claimed melee is fine? :D lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves. not to say melee is underpowered now, but those first few days of abusive demon hunters and mages really fucked things up. Wrong, I had roughly 200k in the bank when I started playing my monk, and I didn't pay more than roughly 1,5 million for all gear I needed to solo Inferno, something that's easily doable while you're progressing, with no need to stop progressing. Don't come and say that's because I was "carried" by abusing the fact that I had another character. 1.5 million gold pays for like 1 item of half decent quality. you 'found' all the rest of your gear in 80 hours of play time to kill diablo? sounds so unbelievable. No, I just browsed AH for everything I could find that was underpriced, you'll be surprised how easy it was. Essentially I looked for gear with >50 all res, >30 cold res (my OwE), and >75-100 dex/vit, and I could find stuff like that for every slot immediately between 50 and 200 k. Weapons were a little harder, but I just went for max LoH and ignored the damage, yielding two mere 600 dps fist weapons, but >1500 LoH overall. All-in-all, this cost me around 1.700.000 I believe.
check the hardcore ah right now, monk weapons with >300 life on hit. of the 10 or so total above 600 dps, they are all in the millions of gold for an item that is super rare act1, rare act2 or common in act3.
you would not of been able to pick up these bargains in softcore if people werent mindlessly farming act3 on other classes. just proves my point. im impressed you cleared the game so cheaply on a monk i really am, but the fact is the deals were only possible because of other peoples farming that they shouldnt be able to do.
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On June 15 2012 02:12 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 02:09 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 15 2012 00:40 turdburgler wrote:On June 14 2012 22:52 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. I just cleared the game with my second char in roughly 60 hours, no exploits, no farming etc, and that was with a melee class. I honestly don't get the hype that Inferno is unbeatable, the last two acts are pretty challenging I'll admit, but come on... aka your ranged hero paid for your melee hero to progress and then you claimed melee is fine? :D lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves. not to say melee is underpowered now, but those first few days of abusive demon hunters and mages really fucked things up. Wrong, I had roughly 200k in the bank when I started playing my monk, and I didn't pay more than roughly 1,5 million for all gear I needed to solo Inferno, something that's easily doable while you're progressing, with no need to stop progressing. Don't come and say that's because I was "carried" by abusing the fact that I had another character. How many elites/champions did you skip? =P If it's that easy for a melee i guess i should play one... my WD has to avoid tons of them to progress.
Well, I did skip a decent amount of the ridiculous ones (Soul Rippers and whatknot) as well as the impossible combos of course, other than that I could mostly manage with some decent micro. Also worth pointing out that nuking while Serenity is up and then running away while it's on cooldown is a way to get past certain packs that you otherwise wouldn't be able to.
Protip btw: Enchantress' Charm is pretty imba when you've got heavy hitting enemies in your way :s
On June 15 2012 02:16 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 02:15 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 15 2012 02:11 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 01:57 Heh_ wrote:On June 15 2012 01:55 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:50 Heh_ wrote:On June 15 2012 01:48 darkcloud8282 wrote:On June 15 2012 01:38 turdburgler wrote:On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. show me your auction house tab, how many of those items just purely wouldnt exist if people hadnt bullshitted their way into act3 on day2. Look at the HC. People are progressing just fine without all this chest farming/exploiting. It's possible to progress through the game just fine without "massive help". Not really. They're just taking longer to get to the good farming spots, which might have been nerfed before they even reach it. If they do, then it's business as usual. Yes you can proceed just fine without help, but it'll take a lot more time to do so. What's the rush? Are you racing to get first inferno diablo or something? There's no rush. However, someone claimed that you could progress really quickly without exploiting. I'll quote it here: On June 15 2012 00:43 hfxRos wrote:
lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves.
I had hoped teamliquid would be better than this, I guess not. I'm playing a Barbarian. I'm almost done act 3, and I haven't had a "ton" of time to play, working full time. The Barbarian is my only non-hardcore character above level 50. I'm ahead of all my friends. I have zero doubt whatsoever that if I was unemployed or a student with tons of time to play, I would be done Inferno by now. Don't spew bullshit with nothing to back it up. Edit: From the way he posted, he might still be stuck in Hell difficulty.... which explains everything. sick burn there. On June 15 2012 02:09 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 15 2012 00:40 turdburgler wrote:On June 14 2012 22:52 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 14 2012 22:48 Nizaris wrote:
look another whine about how inferno is too hard, not skill based, couldn't exploit so i can't progress.
you're just bad admit it. i never exploited the chest, or bought gold, and i'm in act4. I just cleared the game with my second char in roughly 60 hours, no exploits, no farming etc, and that was with a melee class. I honestly don't get the hype that Inferno is unbeatable, the last two acts are pretty challenging I'll admit, but come on... aka your ranged hero paid for your melee hero to progress and then you claimed melee is fine? :D lol. ive said it before, not a single person in the game right now playing a barb or monk in act 4 got there in anything resembling solo, they have all consistently been helped massively by friends or have a ranged farming hero themselves. not to say melee is underpowered now, but those first few days of abusive demon hunters and mages really fucked things up. Wrong, I had roughly 200k in the bank when I started playing my monk, and I didn't pay more than roughly 1,5 million for all gear I needed to solo Inferno, something that's easily doable while you're progressing, with no need to stop progressing. Don't come and say that's because I was "carried" by abusing the fact that I had another character. 1.5 million gold pays for like 1 item of half decent quality. you 'found' all the rest of your gear in 80 hours of play time to kill diablo? sounds so unbelievable. No, I just browsed AH for everything I could find that was underpriced, you'll be surprised how easy it was. Essentially I looked for gear with >50 all res, >30 cold res (my OwE), and >75-100 dex/vit, and I could find stuff like that for every slot immediately between 50 and 200 k. Weapons were a little harder, but I just went for max LoH and ignored the damage, yielding two mere 600 dps fist weapons, but >1500 LoH overall. All-in-all, this cost me around 1.700.000 I believe. check the hardcore ah right now, monk weapons with >300 life on hit. of the 10 or so total above 600 dps, they are all in the millions of gold for an item that is super rare act1, rare act2 or common in act3. you would not of been able to pick up these bargains in softcore if people werent mindlessly farming act3 on other classes. just proves my point. im impressed you cleared the game so cheaply on a monk i really am, but the fact is the deals were only possible because of other peoples farming that they shouldnt be able to do.
Well, I can't argue with how the AH economy works, I'll give ya' that, but my point is that you don't need to create one char just to boost another, the AH fixes that issue for you, albeit that is from other chars to begin with, so I guess it's a matter of perspective.
In case you're wondering:
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Played about 2 hrs since the kill, so 'bout 64 hours total, compared to the 120 hrs it took my Wizard :o (although I cleared everything with her)
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