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On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace
How about you try Hell or Inferno, before you complain this game is easy. As far as I know, Diablo 2 was ridiculously easy as well, especially with an 8-player team. Everything above lv80 with somewhat decent gear roflstomped everything in Hell.
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On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions.
I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams.
In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it, just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea or the water ( living all her life in the aquarium, in the water ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? or What's a water ? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think, bent only by my perspective.
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Am I missing something hidden with reflective/vampiric design, is there some kind of dispell or something? On inferno it's retarded, when rare boss plus minions have that with over 2mil HP. It's so much hp to burn through that I can kill myself 2 times over, and that's taking no damage myself.... I can do it only when they are not fast with large space to separate some mobs and kill them in smaller parts with healing. Horde vampiric/reflective fast/teleport or anything that can shorten the distance to me quickly it's pretty much gg. I have to skip those and run for checkpoint or reload the map...
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective.
It's taking a lot of effort to understand your post, are you using google translate?
Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean.
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On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. It's taking a lot of effort to understand your post, are you using google translate?
No I'm not using google translate, but I'm a little drunk now so that probably might be the reason 
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On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. It's taking a lot of effort to understand your post, are you using google translate? Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean.
I actually think that's what he was going for, but like you said, his English is pretty much incomprehensible... Anyway, I think he was actually defending his post saying it's just his subjective opinion and that he's aware he only knows a little bit about the game.
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
If you're aware you only know a little bit about the game, don't go out and tell everyone 'I think they made this game to be easy'. You can say 'atm the beginning is very easy' but that's completely different from 'lol this made this game sooo casual and they've completely changed their game making mentality etc'.
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Some guys in the barbarian discussion thread were saying that Blizzard was patching D3 to give barbarians (and monks? both melee classes?) the "taking 30% less damage" buff that they should have gotten at release.
( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338323¤tpage=15#293 )
Is there a source for this? Or any proof that this occurred (or will occur)? Or any more information on this? I can't find evidence of this anywhere 
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On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean.
Well, I guess that's your opinion and that's your example, isn't it ? But it in my opinion as I could see it it works just perfectly fine  and in my example I ask the fish about the water she's already in - which means she's giving me an inside opinion of her being inside of something that she can't and probably didn't even see or observe in her life.
So yeah I didn't even see the whole world yet and that's what in my opinion makes my answer an objective value - in a sense I'm not amazed by it yet, but I touched it.
But if I'd need a objective opinion about the game from you I'd ask you for an opinion about the game after a few years since now - not when you actually do that now, wouldn't I ?
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On May 23 2012 22:11 Firebolt145 wrote:
If you're aware you only know a little bit about the game, don't go out and tell everyone 'I think they made this game to be easy'. You can say 'atm the beginning is very easy' but that's completely different from 'lol this made this game sooo casual and they've completely changed their game making mentality etc'.
Well, those are the "masses" for you. They see 1% of the game and decide that they're worthy to pass judgments. Many pages ago, do you remember the discussion about metacritic scores? These guys are just the second wave of whiners.
What I don't understand is if they hate the game so much, why do they keep playing it? Yes, the money spent is wasted, but just suck it up. I did the same for Shogun 2: Total War. The game is a joke compared to previous games in the Total War series.
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On May 23 2012 22:17 krzych113 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean. Well, I guess that's your opinion and that's your example, isn't it ? But it in my opinion as I could see it it works just perfectly fine and in my example I ask the fish about the water she's already in - which means she's giving me an inside opinion of her being inside of something that she can't and probably didn't even see or observe - before because she can't. So yeah I didn't even see the whole world yet and that's what in my opinion makes my answer an objective value. But if I'd need a objective opinion about the game from you I'd ask you for an opinion about the game after a few years since now - not when you actually do that now, wouldn't I ?
What the fuck is an "objective opinion"? There's no such thing. If you want objective information about the game, you're reviewing things like performance, controls, and interface. Difficulty, story, and gameplay all have large subjective elements to them, which is why you should always find a reviewer you trust, play demos, or try to get into betas.
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So I'm not sure about daggers and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of them for sale. I imagine they should be okay as 1handers though because of the high aspd, though can I ask for a price check on 780 dps dagger with arcane dmg bonus and +66 int 53 vit? There were 0 daggers above 600 dps with at least 50 of each so I'm kind of lost
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On May 23 2012 22:21 Shikyo wrote:
So I'm not sure about daggers and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of them for sale. I imagine they should be okay as 1handers though because of the high aspd, though can I ask for a price check on 780 dps dagger with arcane dmg bonus and +66 int 53 vit? There were 0 daggers above 600 dps with at least 50 of each so I'm kind of lost
Yeah I have this thing with using 2 1h-xbows with Crit damage and a socket so I can green gem to more crit damage, to the point I got 300% crit damage in Hell and 40ish% chance to crit, but now there isn't level 60 1h-xbows with decent dps and both these things to buy T_T. We'll have to wait I guess, 2handed bow and quiver with lots of aspd until then(so it attacks as fast as dual wielding 2 1h-xbows D: )
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On May 23 2012 22:20 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:17 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean. Well, I guess that's your opinion and that's your example, isn't it ? But it in my opinion as I could see it it works just perfectly fine and in my example I ask the fish about the water she's already in - which means she's giving me an inside opinion of her being inside of something that she can't and probably didn't even see or observe - before because she can't. So yeah I didn't even see the whole world yet and that's what in my opinion makes my answer an objective value. But if I'd need a objective opinion about the game from you I'd ask you for an opinion about the game after a few years since now - not when you actually do that now, wouldn't I ? What the fuck is an "objective opinion"? There's no such thing. If you want objective information about the game, you're reviewing things like performance, controls, and interface. Difficulty, story, and gameplay all have large subjective elements to them, which is why you should always find a reviewer you trust, play demos, or try to get into betas.
An objective opinion ( in my opinion ) is the most objective opinion as possible opinion. Which means if I'd ask for it I'd ask a person who barely touched something or touched something for a long time and stopped ( for at least a month I think ) - and that's when I'd ask anyone for an opinion, yes, about the Difficulty, story, and gameplay and all of those subjective elements, because in the moment you're with them everyday, they probably could be hell subjective.
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On May 23 2012 22:33 krzych113 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:20 JingleHell wrote:On May 23 2012 22:17 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean. Well, I guess that's your opinion and that's your example, isn't it ? But it in my opinion as I could see it it works just perfectly fine and in my example I ask the fish about the water she's already in - which means she's giving me an inside opinion of her being inside of something that she can't and probably didn't even see or observe - before because she can't. So yeah I didn't even see the whole world yet and that's what in my opinion makes my answer an objective value. But if I'd need a objective opinion about the game from you I'd ask you for an opinion about the game after a few years since now - not when you actually do that now, wouldn't I ? What the fuck is an "objective opinion"? There's no such thing. If you want objective information about the game, you're reviewing things like performance, controls, and interface. Difficulty, story, and gameplay all have large subjective elements to them, which is why you should always find a reviewer you trust, play demos, or try to get into betas. An objective opinion ( in my opinion ) is the most objective opinion as possible opinion. Which means if I'd ask for it I'd ask a person who barely touched something or touched something for a long time and stopped playing it ( for at least a month I think ) - and that's when I'd ask anyone for an opinion, yes, about the Difficulty, story, and gameplay and all of those subjective elements, because in the moment you're with them everyday, they probably could be hell subjective.
Quitting the game implies they disliked it. So you ask for someone who dislikes the game for their outdated opinion and think of that as objective? I really cannot tell how serious you are.
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On May 23 2012 21:56 Jochan wrote:
Am I missing something hidden with reflective/vampiric design, is there some kind of dispell or something? On inferno it's retarded, when rare boss plus minions have that with over 2mil HP. It's so much hp to burn through that I can kill myself 2 times over, and that's taking no damage myself.... I can do it only when they are not fast with large space to separate some mobs and kill them in smaller parts with healing. Horde vampiric/reflective fast/teleport or anything that can shorten the distance to me quickly it's pretty much gg. I have to skip those and run for checkpoint or reload the map...
what class are you? you can avoid the reflective damage using smoke screen or similar spells.
On May 23 2012 22:37 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:33 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:20 JingleHell wrote:On May 23 2012 22:17 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean. Well, I guess that's your opinion and that's your example, isn't it ? But it in my opinion as I could see it it works just perfectly fine and in my example I ask the fish about the water she's already in - which means she's giving me an inside opinion of her being inside of something that she can't and probably didn't even see or observe - before because she can't. So yeah I didn't even see the whole world yet and that's what in my opinion makes my answer an objective value. But if I'd need a objective opinion about the game from you I'd ask you for an opinion about the game after a few years since now - not when you actually do that now, wouldn't I ? What the fuck is an "objective opinion"? There's no such thing. If you want objective information about the game, you're reviewing things like performance, controls, and interface. Difficulty, story, and gameplay all have large subjective elements to them, which is why you should always find a reviewer you trust, play demos, or try to get into betas. An objective opinion ( in my opinion ) is the most objective opinion as possible opinion. Which means if I'd ask for it I'd ask a person who barely touched something or touched something for a long time and stopped playing it ( for at least a month I think ) - and that's when I'd ask anyone for an opinion, yes, about the Difficulty, story, and gameplay and all of those subjective elements, because in the moment you're with them everyday, they probably could be hell subjective. Quitting the game implies they disliked it. So you ask for someone who dislikes the game for their outdated opinion and think of that as objective? I really cannot tell how serious you are.
quitting something implies you were heavily invested in it, not that you no longer like it. if i quit running because i break my leg its not because i hate the earth for hurting me its because i can no longer do what i did before.
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Does reflect damage elite affix deal a % of damage or a flat ammount?
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On May 23 2012 22:39 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:56 Jochan wrote:
Am I missing something hidden with reflective/vampiric design, is there some kind of dispell or something? On inferno it's retarded, when rare boss plus minions have that with over 2mil HP. It's so much hp to burn through that I can kill myself 2 times over, and that's taking no damage myself.... I can do it only when they are not fast with large space to separate some mobs and kill them in smaller parts with healing. Horde vampiric/reflective fast/teleport or anything that can shorten the distance to me quickly it's pretty much gg. I have to skip those and run for checkpoint or reload the map... what class are you? you can avoid the reflective damage using smoke screen or similar spells. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:37 Shikyo wrote:On May 23 2012 22:33 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:20 JingleHell wrote:On May 23 2012 22:17 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean. Well, I guess that's your opinion and that's your example, isn't it ? But it in my opinion as I could see it it works just perfectly fine and in my example I ask the fish about the water she's already in - which means she's giving me an inside opinion of her being inside of something that she can't and probably didn't even see or observe - before because she can't. So yeah I didn't even see the whole world yet and that's what in my opinion makes my answer an objective value. But if I'd need a objective opinion about the game from you I'd ask you for an opinion about the game after a few years since now - not when you actually do that now, wouldn't I ? What the fuck is an "objective opinion"? There's no such thing. If you want objective information about the game, you're reviewing things like performance, controls, and interface. Difficulty, story, and gameplay all have large subjective elements to them, which is why you should always find a reviewer you trust, play demos, or try to get into betas. An objective opinion ( in my opinion ) is the most objective opinion as possible opinion. Which means if I'd ask for it I'd ask a person who barely touched something or touched something for a long time and stopped playing it ( for at least a month I think ) - and that's when I'd ask anyone for an opinion, yes, about the Difficulty, story, and gameplay and all of those subjective elements, because in the moment you're with them everyday, they probably could be hell subjective. Quitting the game implies they disliked it. So you ask for someone who dislikes the game for their outdated opinion and think of that as objective? I really cannot tell how serious you are. quitting something implies you were heavily invested in it, not that you no longer like it. if i quit running because i break my leg its not because i hate the earth for hurting me its because i can no longer do what i did before.
Oh I see, so he seeks people who quit the game because they broke their arm?
On May 23 2012 22:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Does reflect damage elite affix deal a % of damage or a flat ammount?
It's a % of damage, AoEing an illusion mob 1-hits me and I have about 35k life whereas just 1 hit is like 1/10th of my hp so I'd say it's around 10%
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On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it, just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea or the water ( living all her life in the aquarium, in the water ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? or What's a water ? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think, bent only by my perspective.
No offense dude but this is one of the most ridiculous posts Ive ever read on internet in the last 10 years. And whats worse Im on your side on not liking the game.
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On May 23 2012 22:37 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:33 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:20 JingleHell wrote:On May 23 2012 22:17 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:03 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:53 krzych113 wrote:On May 23 2012 21:06 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 23 2012 20:54 krzych113 wrote:
My first impression was that I'd rather compare this game to tony hawk pro skater than to the original diablo. I feel like everything in this game was made in a sense "lets just to not make it to hard" so they won't discourage themselves playing so... we could probably sell more. Working in the opposite direction in my opinion though, but for a valuable player only ( which since it's a minority blizzard obviously doesn't care ). Like it was made for dummies.
My general conclusion after playing few first missions is that the level of a player in these days is falling down, dramatically like every single game that is made by blizzard these days would like to make you dumber than you are in the first place. But what I can see in a more general sense and what I'd share with anyone reading this is that any kind of entertaintment that is widely spread ( i.e.: TV, radio ) is making you a zombie taken into a sheep mode and I don't know too much of games like this even though I played BW and Diablo II for a long time before and I don't know how about you but the general impression of taking you into a non-thinking, nodding-to everything, non assertive, passive, pitful sheep mode stayed with me. Peace - Make the opinion that the game was made to be easy - Tell people you've made that conclusion after only playing the first few missions Lol. edit: I could be wrong about what you were trying to allude to but it was really hard to understand what you were saying. And since I feel I should be constructive rather than just laugh at you, have you actually tried the harder difficulties yet? Normal mode is piss easy, anyone can do it with their eyes closed, and everyone knows that. Nightmare requires some more involvement, Hell is where it starts getting difficult and Inferno is pretty fucking hard, sometimes borderline impossible. Play the game more before telling the world your baseless conclusions. I think I actually wouldn't be able to say to much real about the game if I'd start to play the game and be IN IT. I'm saying what I felt after the first touch and spending few hours watching the streams. In my opinion actually playing the game bents you in a way that making an opinion After spending A Lot of time with it just makes you subjective and what's more - hard to believe because of it. But if you doesn't believe go ahead and imagine asking an aquarium fish about the sea ( living all her life in the sea ). She can never answer you a question What's a sea? without being subjective. She can tell you what she feels about but she can never ever tell you what's a sea beacause she never ever seen it before. So actually I think playing the game and making the conclusion without even a month break would just make me subjective. What I'm telling you is only what I think bent only by my perspective. Your analogy doesn't work for me because I HAVE played many other games. Also, it doesn't even work for you because you've only tried a few levels of normal mode. That's like asking a fish that only has lived in a small aquarium 'how big is the world' yet he hasn't experienced the entire ocean. Well, I guess that's your opinion and that's your example, isn't it ? But it in my opinion as I could see it it works just perfectly fine and in my example I ask the fish about the water she's already in - which means she's giving me an inside opinion of her being inside of something that she can't and probably didn't even see or observe - before because she can't. So yeah I didn't even see the whole world yet and that's what in my opinion makes my answer an objective value. But if I'd need a objective opinion about the game from you I'd ask you for an opinion about the game after a few years since now - not when you actually do that now, wouldn't I ? What the fuck is an "objective opinion"? There's no such thing. If you want objective information about the game, you're reviewing things like performance, controls, and interface. Difficulty, story, and gameplay all have large subjective elements to them, which is why you should always find a reviewer you trust, play demos, or try to get into betas. An objective opinion ( in my opinion ) is the most objective opinion as possible opinion. Which means if I'd ask for it I'd ask a person who barely touched something or touched something for a long time and stopped playing it ( for at least a month I think ) - and that's when I'd ask anyone for an opinion, yes, about the Difficulty, story, and gameplay and all of those subjective elements, because in the moment you're with them everyday, they probably could be hell subjective. Quitting the game implies they disliked it. So you ask for someone who dislikes the game for their outdated opinion and think of that as objective? I really cannot tell how serious you are.
Did I say 'quitting' ? or did I say 'stopping' ? because since I think there's bit of a difference between 'quitting' and intentionally stopping doing something the rest of your post could be spotted just as 'off the subject', couldn't it? peace
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