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Ewli
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden326 Posts
May 23 2012 15:01 GMT
#9681
They nerfed my Smoke screen : ((((((
Twitter - @Ewli <3 EG <3 Liquid
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 23 2012 15:06 GMT
#9682
He targets under you. He'll launch a bunch at you, and because you're running around like a headless chicken you can't actually see when he is casting it. Your best bet is to get more hp =S
well i don't think i can tank it no matter how much hp i get so i'll go for the maximal dps route and hope to get lucky. got him down to 10% a few times with raw dps.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 23 2012 15:06 GMT
#9683
On May 24 2012 00:01 Ewli wrote:
They nerfed my Smoke screen : ((((((


I believe the correct word is "fixed". If they wanted DH to be able to trade off having nearly no disc all the time for permanent invincibility, they wouldn't have put it on a button.

Anyone who didn't expect this was lying to themselves.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 23 2012 15:12 GMT
#9684
On May 23 2012 23:54 LaNague wrote:
please, can you stop arguing semantics right at a time where blizzard completely changes the classes unannounced without patchnotes? :D




also, they specificely said that they nerfed boon to make it unusable, its the only "patchnote" they have given us.


Source on that ? :/

I don't feel any change to Boon at all while playing. I just can't spam it as often as before because you make a lot less spirit.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 15:14:35
May 23 2012 15:13 GMT
#9685
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5271780011#1

Source.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5271780011?page=2#34
Ewli
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden326 Posts
May 23 2012 15:13 GMT
#9686
On May 24 2012 00:06 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:01 Ewli wrote:
They nerfed my Smoke screen : ((((((


I believe the correct word is "fixed". If they wanted DH to be able to trade off having nearly no disc all the time for permanent invincibility, they wouldn't have put it on a button.

Anyone who didn't expect this was lying to themselves.


I knew they were going to do this, but it is still nerfing the ability. From 2(3) with same cd as duration to 1(2) with 2.25 sec cd
Twitter - @Ewli <3 EG <3 Liquid
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 23 2012 15:15 GMT
#9687
wow.. so.. what mantra to use now ?
Everything else is shit. :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 23 2012 15:16 GMT
#9688
On May 24 2012 00:13 Ewli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:06 JingleHell wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:01 Ewli wrote:
They nerfed my Smoke screen : ((((((


I believe the correct word is "fixed". If they wanted DH to be able to trade off having nearly no disc all the time for permanent invincibility, they wouldn't have put it on a button.

Anyone who didn't expect this was lying to themselves.


I knew they were going to do this, but it is still nerfing the ability. From 2(3) with same cd as duration to 1(2) with 2.25 sec cd


Well, yes it's a "nerf", in a way, but it's more a "fix" because they're preventing a "creative use of mechanics".

I consider that to being closer to a bugfix than a nerf, personally. A nerf is when it's a tweak, rather than an "oh shit we broke it".
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
May 23 2012 15:19 GMT
#9689
another unannounced change is many yellow chests have been replaced with just normal chests
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
May 23 2012 15:21 GMT
#9690
On May 24 2012 00:06 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:01 Ewli wrote:
They nerfed my Smoke screen : ((((((
If they wanted DH to be able to trade off having nearly no disc all the time for permanent invincibility, they wouldn't have put it on a button..

Can you please explain to me how I missed the fact that I could play with permanent invincibility? I mean the permanent part, I must have skipped some text or post by Blizzard.
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
May 23 2012 15:26 GMT
#9691
On May 24 2012 00:19 NotSorry wrote:
another unannounced change is many yellow chests have been replaced with just normal chests


This one was kind of stupid to begin with and a good fix. There are several places (especially act 2) where you can go from a waypoint/checkpoint to a nearby cellar/dungeon with a yellow chest and easily farm.

The problem is that those guys already exploited the hell out of this when it was available.

There are just SO MANY things in the game that never should have made it to release, especially with how much Blizz delayed the game "polish" it.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 15:37:56
May 23 2012 15:36 GMT
#9692
On May 24 2012 00:21 Jochan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:06 JingleHell wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:01 Ewli wrote:
They nerfed my Smoke screen : ((((((
If they wanted DH to be able to trade off having nearly no disc all the time for permanent invincibility, they wouldn't have put it on a button..

Can you please explain to me how I missed the fact that I could play with permanent invincibility? I mean the permanent part, I must have skipped some text or post by Blizzard.


I didn't do it myself, but people were essentially using something like disc on damage for multishot, disc on crit passive, preparation to get smokescreen essentially permanent. I don't know how much of that is hyperbole, because I pretty much stubbornly trucked on (and stayed awake), operating under the apparently correct assumption that this was doomed. But a whole lot of people called it permanent or essentially permanent.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
May 23 2012 15:57 GMT
#9693
On May 24 2012 00:36 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:21 Jochan wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:06 JingleHell wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:01 Ewli wrote:
They nerfed my Smoke screen : ((((((
If they wanted DH to be able to trade off having nearly no disc all the time for permanent invincibility, they wouldn't have put it on a button..

Can you please explain to me how I missed the fact that I could play with permanent invincibility? I mean the permanent part, I must have skipped some text or post by Blizzard.


I didn't do it myself, but people were essentially using something like disc on damage for multishot, disc on crit passive, preparation to get smokescreen essentially permanent. I don't know how much of that is hyperbole, because I pretty much stubbornly trucked on (and stayed awake), operating under the apparently correct assumption that this was doomed. But a whole lot of people called it permanent or essentially permanent.

First of all I am a DH, I didn't use this trick and I've played most of Act 1 inferno today completely oblivious to this change, that explains how I took hits from time to time when I was not supposed not, but that is not game breaking. What I hate is saying shit like that was permanent... Multishot with that costs 40 hatred and you need smoke screen on rare/elite packs or bosses, not on normal packs with lots and lots of mobs... When you fight 3-4 elite mobs, 40 hatred for 4 disc, and you can use it 2 times, so at most it may give you 1 more smoke screen, but then you are left with no disc and no hatred... There is no way you can pull it of for a permanent invincibility, not on rares/elites/boss fights and that's when you need it most.
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 23 2012 16:10 GMT
#9694
On May 24 2012 00:57 Jochan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:36 JingleHell wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:21 Jochan wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:06 JingleHell wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:01 Ewli wrote:
They nerfed my Smoke screen : ((((((
If they wanted DH to be able to trade off having nearly no disc all the time for permanent invincibility, they wouldn't have put it on a button..

Can you please explain to me how I missed the fact that I could play with permanent invincibility? I mean the permanent part, I must have skipped some text or post by Blizzard.


I didn't do it myself, but people were essentially using something like disc on damage for multishot, disc on crit passive, preparation to get smokescreen essentially permanent. I don't know how much of that is hyperbole, because I pretty much stubbornly trucked on (and stayed awake), operating under the apparently correct assumption that this was doomed. But a whole lot of people called it permanent or essentially permanent.

First of all I am a DH, I didn't use this trick and I've played most of Act 1 inferno today completely oblivious to this change, that explains how I took hits from time to time when I was not supposed not, but that is not game breaking. What I hate is saying shit like that was permanent... Multishot with that costs 40 hatred and you need smoke screen on rare/elite packs or bosses, not on normal packs with lots and lots of mobs... When you fight 3-4 elite mobs, 40 hatred for 4 disc, and you can use it 2 times, so at most it may give you 1 more smoke screen, but then you are left with no disc and no hatred... There is no way you can pull it of for a permanent invincibility, not on rares/elites/boss fights and that's when you need it most.


I'm a DH too. I've never even tried to do it that way, and I'm almost done with A3 Hell. Like I said, I don't know how close to permanent it really was, I did clarify that it was based on the possibly exaggerated claims of others. And believe me, those exact words HAVE been used repeatedly.
XXXSmOke
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1333 Posts
May 23 2012 16:11 GMT
#9695
Im a bit confused.. There was an update? But I just launched D3 and im not being shown any patch notes or anything. Im looking on BNet and now seeing them. But thats kind of dumb, now if random patches hit youll just have to check the comm site first.
Emperor? Boxer disapproves. He's building bunkers at your mom's house even as you're reading this.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 23 2012 16:13 GMT
#9696
On May 24 2012 01:11 XXXSmOke wrote:
Im a bit confused.. There was an update? But I just launched D3 and im not being shown any patch notes or anything. Im looking on BNet and now seeing them. But thats kind of dumb, now if random patches hit youll just have to check the comm site first.


They already said they're trying to get this shit done and patch notes will catch up. Yes, it sucks, but then, most of what they're trying to un-break is stuff that most people already knew was severely broken. Severely broken stuff tends to be "use at your own risk".
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 16:17:49
May 23 2012 16:17 GMT
#9697
On May 24 2012 01:13 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:11 XXXSmOke wrote:
Im a bit confused.. There was an update? But I just launched D3 and im not being shown any patch notes or anything. Im looking on BNet and now seeing them. But thats kind of dumb, now if random patches hit youll just have to check the comm site first.


They already said they're trying to get this shit done and patch notes will catch up. Yes, it sucks, but then, most of what they're trying to un-break is stuff that most people already knew was severely broken. Severely broken stuff tends to be "use at your own risk".

I need one word to explain why ninja fixes(specially one that does not appear in the tooltip) are a SHIT move by blizz: Hardcore.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
nettleberry
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States201 Posts
May 23 2012 16:17 GMT
#9698
It wasn't a patch, it's was an WoW style hotfix where they change a bunch of things and don't tell anyone till later.
"Right?"
XXXSmOke
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1333 Posts
May 23 2012 16:18 GMT
#9699
On May 24 2012 01:13 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:11 XXXSmOke wrote:
Im a bit confused.. There was an update? But I just launched D3 and im not being shown any patch notes or anything. Im looking on BNet and now seeing them. But thats kind of dumb, now if random patches hit youll just have to check the comm site first.


They already said they're trying to get this shit done and patch notes will catch up. Yes, it sucks, but then, most of what they're trying to un-break is stuff that most people already knew was severely broken. Severely broken stuff tends to be "use at your own risk".



Yea, I actually 100% agree with the nerfs. As a DH I was using the Prep/SS build and it was way to powerful to be invulnerable for that long. Ofc alot of people are bitching, but it will work its way out, if they had fixed this earlier then we wouldnt have solo DH's beating inferno in 4 days.....
Emperor? Boxer disapproves. He's building bunkers at your mom's house even as you're reading this.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 23 2012 16:23 GMT
#9700
On May 24 2012 01:17 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:13 JingleHell wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:11 XXXSmOke wrote:
Im a bit confused.. There was an update? But I just launched D3 and im not being shown any patch notes or anything. Im looking on BNet and now seeing them. But thats kind of dumb, now if random patches hit youll just have to check the comm site first.


They already said they're trying to get this shit done and patch notes will catch up. Yes, it sucks, but then, most of what they're trying to un-break is stuff that most people already knew was severely broken. Severely broken stuff tends to be "use at your own risk".

I need one word to explain why ninja fixes(specially one that does not appear in the tooltip) are a SHIT move by blizz: Hardcore.


Like I said. "Use at your own risk". Hardcore increases the risk exponentially, so people should more seriously reconsider use of severely broken shit. Does it suck to lose a time investment? Yes, I used to play nethack, I know all about permadeath.

Don't want to risk a stealth hotfix of exploitative mechanics screwing you over? Don't abuse those mechanics.
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