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Sunstuff
Romania50 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On September 10 2011 02:33 NotSorry wrote: It is official at least 3 known hacker communities have gotten into the beta and are currently racing towards the first working bots. I hope they crack it soon  Hacker communities push the boundaries of games. | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On September 09 2011 23:37 Bosu wrote: There are a TON of stories like this. On my server our guild was #1 horde side. A guy in our guild lost his virginity to the guild leaders wife of the #2 horde guild. Broke up their marriage,family (they had kids), and the guild. Another girl who had a boyfriend that played too cheated on him with a couple guys online before he figured it out. Lots of people hooked up. WoW players are sluts. nope not wow players this is whats happening in real life. Things like this have nothing to do with videogame or w/e | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:25 papaz wrote: I hope they crack it soon Hacker communities push the boundaries of games.how exactly do bots/hacks help in any way in a game like diablo? | ||
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CROrens
Croatia1005 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:37 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: how exactly do bots/hacks help in any way in a game like diablo? well i think its dumb on their part to do it cause it's just a beta...just giving blizz more time to fix their shit | ||
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Rybka
United States836 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:59 CROrens wrote: diablo 2 is old and blizz doesnt give a rats ass about bots or hacks there, but be sure they wont allow foul play on a brand new game. expect ban waves and itll go away, same as with WoW and SC2 There were MASSIVE ban waves in D2. I mean, we're talking 350,000+ cd keys in some cases. No joke. It helped, but it didn't stop things for long, and today you still can't host an open game without bots and spammers constantly coming in and harassing you. My hope is that the server-side program requirements, the same reason why you can't play D3 without a Bnet connection, are what will prevent botting and duping. | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:25 papaz wrote: I hope they crack it soon Hacker communities push the boundaries of games.as much as i have to admitted that they're pretty good @hacking but your comment is the most stupid one i've seen on any forums since internet has been implement. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:12 DystopiaX wrote: well i think its dumb on their part to do it cause it's just a beta...just giving blizz more time to fix their shit Obviously you aren't going to release working bots for a beta, but you can use the beta to get the coding in place and test them which allows for a very quick release once the game comes out. Also the first set of bots will probably sell for 1k+ each and won't be public releases but for people running item/gold stores. Side note: Wow and SC2 are great examples of how little blizzard is doing to stop hackers, 24-72hour bans is a fucking joke. You can bot/hack wow for 6years and not even get one of those. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
why did they decided to team up with the cheaters? just to ban them? Farmers and boter bring bliz money now! They will not ban there best customers... In the past bliz makes money if they ban(people buyed the game again) Now they loose money ( people are not selling items) The strange thing is: Official game: - only online - you can cheat items but you have to pay for each one Download: -Offline mode -you can have the item you want for free. Do they think they will make more money with the item shop than they loose by selling the game? | ||
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bOOgyWC
Germany153 Posts
Hmmm, well........at least i can hope to play with the guys that i enjoyed playing Diablo II HC in Europe | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:22 bOOgyWC wrote: Yeah i doubt that blizz will do anything about it....hmm, i just realized that - an hour ago i would have sided with the "new game = no hacks" side......but i just remembered a friend of mine has 2 Accounts running 24/7 in WoW for Goldfarming and selling that for real money....and he is doing that for .... several years at least...never been banned. still running that shit to the day. Hmmm, well........at least i can hope to play with the guys that i enjoyed playing Diablo II HC in Europe They might make inferno hard enough to give bots a hard time though. | ||
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vlf
Portugal170 Posts
tl,dr: I have very little faith in Blizzard being able to create a cheat-free environment. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:15 skeldark wrote: for all the guys who believe in massive ban waves. why did they decided to team up with the cheaters? just to ban them? Farmers and boter bring bliz money now! They will not ban there best customers... In the past bliz makes money if they ban(people buyed the game again) Now they loose money ( people are not selling items) The strange thing is: Official game: - only online - you can cheat items but you have to pay for each one Download: -Offline mode -you can have the item you want for free. Do they think they will make more money with the item shop than they loose by selling the game? obviously botters are the only people that will be selling items on RMAH | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On September 10 2011 08:35 vlf wrote: Cheaters/botters are experts at exploiting, I don't think they'll be stopped. Speed hacks, teleport hacks, etc were all rampant in WoW. Paid staff even failed to deal with confirmed cheaters constantly on European servers. tl,dr: I have very little faith in Blizzard being able to create a cheat-free environment. As do I unfortunately. As others have said, you can MH and bot in Diablo 2 without getting banned. I've never done it but some people have been doing it non-stop for years. I can only hope Diablo 3 will not suffer the same idiotic community (impossible hope, I know) that did their best to lower the prestige of an awesome game. I plan on soloing until I finish Inferno. In fact, trading is not really going to matter to me. I don't want to risk getting a duped item and I don't want to help botters. I'm patient and I don't mind using my own stuff (and the blacksmith will be awesome for this, no need to bother anyway). I'm most eager to start collection gems. Lame, I know, but I'm such a hoarder. Will definitely get a few maxed ones in due time. And they will be mine only!  That's half the reason I want to play the game. | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
On September 10 2011 09:44 Kurr wrote: As do I unfortunately. As others have said, you can MH and bot in Diablo 2 without getting banned. I've never done it but some people have been doing it non-stop for years. I can only hope Diablo 3 will not suffer the same idiotic community (impossible hope, I know) that did their best to lower the prestige of an awesome game. I plan on soloing until I finish Inferno. In fact, trading is not really going to matter to me. I don't want to risk getting a duped item and I don't want to help botters. I'm patient and I don't mind using my own stuff (and the blacksmith will be awesome for this, no need to bother anyway). I'm most eager to start collection gems. Lame, I know, but I'm such a hoarder. Will definitely get a few maxed ones in due time. And they will be mine only! That's half the reason I want to play the game.Even in Diablo 2 people got caught. Massive banwaves hit periodically, but by that time it barely even mattered as the game was quite cheap. The problem is, getting caught does not effect the professionals. They are already making money no matter how many accounts they have to buy. Even the average botter had multiple CD-key's to increase the amount of runs/hour a person could do on a single computer. This is another reason why Blizzard uses a Delayed ban system. Because they do not ban instantly, private websites dedicated to cheating do not have time to warn individuals to stop using their hacks/bots/scripts/ etc. With other games, like games that use Punkbuster, bans happen and private websites see the bans and instantly take their hacks offline (most use authenticated launchers and downloaders to keep you updated). The script kiddies using the newest public cheat on the block get caught the most, and they arent even the ones that matter. It's the individuals who ruin the economy throwing multiple multiple truely endgame items onto the market. Who do it as a profession. The RMAH sounds like a great idea... I will probably be purchasing two accounts and level two characters at the same time for the sole purpose of dual boxing to get ahead in the RMAH game. But in the end, If I continue to play 16 hours a day on 2 characters I will never match someone who has 10 accounts running at once. You never see these people, they are the silent minority, and as such arent targeted nearly as often by Blizzard as rampant outbreaks of public cheats are the ones that people see, hear, and are affected by and with that are the ones that Blizzard spents it's time on. Bots are simple to make. And there are many ways to make simple bots completely undetectable to blizzard. I'm kind of sad that there are some non-randomized dungeons and encounters in Diablo 3, because if one thing kills bots best, it's randomness and unpredictability. As a result scripted encounters are going to be botted the most. The more complex a bot is, the more likely it is to be detected. Memory injection for the program to browse things like life values and monster locations is an example of a feature that would increase detection. Alternatively, Bots that use pixel detection are impossible to detect. The real botters, the people who hire programmers to produce a bot for them will never get caught. If the cheat is never released to the public there is very little chance it will get detected by Blizzard. These are the people who need to be banned. The average script kiddy / cheat forum go'er takes the punishment, while the few elite profit. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
I know it's probably not viable for Blizzard, but having a couple of competent people have their full time job be banning people would be awesome. Well, didn't affect my SC2 experience much because I barely played it but it definitely lowered the quality of BNet in WC3, Diablo 2 (massively here, can't even play an open game anymore without level restrictions and even there it's a crapshoot) and SC1. I just want to enjoy an online game with a better community. Just going in a trade game and having the people there be regular players that are just having fun instead of people that don't like the game but just want to make money. Guild Wars has so far been the closest game to that (especially in recent years with most idiots gone) but there's still the fair share of scammers and spammers. Still, I'd definitely take that community vs the one from Diablo 2. P.S : I'm terrified of what the Guild Wars 2 community will be like. It's going to be so fucking horrible, 10 times worse than Diablo 3 IMO. | ||
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