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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On August 07 2011 05:43 Saeglopur wrote: It might be a little extreme but it's very fair. As an old "banana grower", I look forward to buying an item that costs 9 dollars but will probably take me 5 hours to find. I also fail to see how me buying items for real money would affect anyone else's enjoyment of the game. I'm not a highschooler anymore and no longer have time to spend ~500 hours on D3 like I did on D2. I, for one, am glad Blizzard is offering a safe and legitimate alternative to the grind. The RMAH should've been implemented a long time ago. Imagine a duper putting up 100 D3 "SoJ"s up in the AH. He'll surely be caught and have his funds frozen. The same is true for botters/other hackers who constantly run into the fear of having his account caught. The black market will be crippled and scamming will be reduced drastically. Every upcoming MMO should have some version of a RMAH within 2 years. Kudos to Blizzard for leading the charge once again. Not every MMO developer has the monetary behemoth that is Activision to back them up when shit hits the fan. | ||
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Saeglopur
Canada177 Posts
On August 07 2011 05:53 NotSorry wrote: I don't get where people get this idea that the black market is just going to disappear or even slow down you do realize that a hundred thousand chinese playing the game for less than .10 an hour or completely for free as a prison sentence are going to be able to undercut any legit players and that's not even getting into massive botting organizations that are for sure to run rampant. The Black market will thrive just as well if not even more so by having "legit" methods of dumping their items/gold now. I think our definitions of black market are different. In fact, there was no white market for D2 or WoW since gold selling/item selling is prohibited. An example of black market for d3 would be d2jsp. Anything sold via BNet is not business done through the black market. I'm sure you will see less d3 trading on d2jsp or other shady sites because RMAH is introduced. The market will sort itself out. Real world economics of supply&demand will apply to the RMAH. There's nothing wrong with the chinese who play for 0.10 an hour. Blaming them would be like calling Korean SC2 pros undercutting "legit" foreign players because they play for less money and play for longer times. As long as they are not botting/hacking, they are on equal footing to the average gamer. I do think botting will be a huge concern. Hopefully Blizzard can use the extra income from RMAH to purchase better banhammers | ||
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Saeglopur
Canada177 Posts
On August 07 2011 05:56 a176 wrote: Not every MMO developer has the monetary behemoth that is Activision to back them up when shit hits the fan. What would be an example of shit hitting the fan? As far as I know, the MMO developer merely acts as the market regulator and does not inject any assets to stimulate the system/economy. You don't need billions in the bank to do that. | ||
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cha0
Canada514 Posts
Edit: Source: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/events/diablo3-announcement/index.html#summary | ||
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peeeky
Canada631 Posts
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Moliere
51 Posts
TF2 has an interesting item system where you can randomly find/be given items in the game just by playing. It's something like every thirty minutes/hour of play you get a random piece of loot. Now, if there is a specific item/weapon that you want, you can go to the online store and buy it with real money. Items range anywhere from .49 to 9.99 (I believe). The first time I saw this, I was floored. "Pay money for items? Outrageous!" But as time went on, the idea seemed less and less offensive to me. And I mean, think about it, some of the items are 0.49, how many times in your life have you spent 50 cents on absolute triviality? I compare it to a .99 cent in the apple app store, what's a dollar here or there? I may be frugal, but not THAT much. Anyway, in TF2, if you don't want to spend any money on the game, you don't have to. Just keep playing and you'll be rewarded with a random item every so often. There is no requirement to spend real cash... UNLESS you are one of those people that has to have the shinies and can't wait for it to drop. And the crazy thing is, in D3 the player will be making the money from selling the item (and Blizz with the nominal fees) whereas in TF2, all the money goes to the developer. I know people love to rip on big business, blizzard/activision and all other capitalistic iterations, but this new system is something we dealt with in D2, now it's just controlled by Blizz. I realize that the tin-foil hat wearers are concerned because of this fact - but I'd rather trust my money with a company like Blizz than a thirdparty wesbite or something similar. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 07 2011 06:28 Saeglopur wrote: I think our definitions of black market are different. In fact, there was no white market for D2 or WoW since gold selling/item selling is prohibited. An example of black market for d3 would be d2jsp. Anything sold via BNet is not business done through the black market. I'm sure you will see less d3 trading on d2jsp or other shady sites because RMAH is introduced. The market will sort itself out. Real world economics of supply&demand will apply to the RMAH. There's nothing wrong with the chinese who play for 0.10 an hour. Blaming them would be like calling Korean SC2 pros undercutting "legit" foreign players because they play for less money and play for longer times. As long as they are not botting/hacking, they are on equal footing to the average gamer. I do think botting will be a huge concern. Hopefully Blizzard can use the extra income from RMAH to purchase better banhammers The whole thing does raise some interesting concerns and thoughts though. It would likely be in the best interest of any large farming operation to form their own site where they can cut out Blizzard's fees and offer lower prices but still make an more profit* than on the RMAH. So effectively you might still end up with a black market situation. Now the interesting thing to me is would this be against the ToS? Can Blizzard both allow RMTs and deny anyone else from cutting them out of the RMTs? Sure maybe they can try to in their ToS, but if anyone really challenged it would it hold up? How would the public opinion swing if Blizzard came out against 3rd party sites when they have their own RMAH? *This depends largely on the fees and what option's Blizzard has for cashing out. | ||
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ReasoN-
Germany145 Posts
On August 07 2011 06:39 cha0 wrote: Beta announced! Well sort of. Blizz just released info about the beta, what will be in beta and for everyone to make sure their system requirements and beta-opt in is set up correctly! Hurrah source ? | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Well he's right... but about 4 days behind the curve. | ||
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ReasoN-
Germany145 Posts
On August 07 2011 06:58 DannyJ wrote: Well he's right... but about 4 days behind the curve. oh wow :D thought blizzard just released aditional stuff  | ||
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cha0
Canada514 Posts
On August 07 2011 06:58 DannyJ wrote: Well he's right... but about 4 days behind the curve. Sorry, I didn't know it was posted before, just got the e-mail this morning and didn't see any links to the blizz site. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On August 07 2011 06:45 Logo wrote: The whole thing does raise some interesting concerns and thoughts though. It would likely be in the best interest of any large farming operation to form their own site where they can cut out Blizzard's fees and offer lower prices but still make an more profit* than on the RMAH. So effectively you might still end up with a black market situation. Now the interesting thing to me is would this be against the ToS? Can Blizzard both allow RMTs and deny anyone else from cutting them out of the RMTs? Sure maybe they can try to in their ToS, but if anyone really challenged it would it hold up? How would the public opinion swing if Blizzard came out against 3rd party sites when they have their own RMAH? *This depends largely on the fees and what option's Blizzard has for cashing out. That's highly unlikely. If you were hypothetically a person who wanted to pay for items... which would you go to, a third party site that could scam you or the easy to use, trusted RMAH where you and your information remains completely anonymous to the seller? | ||
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CherubDown
United States171 Posts
On August 07 2011 07:14 Slaughter wrote: I just got that email too today. I saw it on my phone and all I could read at 1st was "Blizz Insider Diablo 3 beta" and I was excited because I thought maybe I gotten an invite.....Nope lol. Yup. That happened to me. I was like... Fuck. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On August 07 2011 07:18 Ocedic wrote: That's highly unlikely. If you were hypothetically a person who wanted to pay for items... which would you go to, a third party site that could scam you or the easy to use, trusted RMAH where you and your information remains completely anonymous to the seller? Personally I would go to the 3rd party site as the prices would be lower | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On August 07 2011 07:18 Ocedic wrote: That's highly unlikely. If you were hypothetically a person who wanted to pay for items... which would you go to, a third party site that could scam you or the easy to use, trusted RMAH where you and your information remains completely anonymous to the seller? To the guy just before you. Blizzard's fees are supposed to be small. Blizzard cannot stop all the paypal sites, websites, foreign farming sites all at once. D2jsp will probably still have a role, but a minimized role in trading not only because it supported D2LOD, but because it is also a community website. I would also use the RMAH trading system, but not for anonymity, but for a secure trade. If his item doesn't reach me, my gold or cash doesn't reach him. | ||
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
On August 07 2011 06:39 cha0 wrote: Beta announced! Well sort of. Blizz just released info about the beta, what will be in beta and for everyone to make sure their system requirements and beta-opt in is set up correctly! Hurrah Edit: Source: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/events/diablo3-announcement/index.html#summary yeaa that has been there for like a week now. other hot news: Spice girls split up! | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On August 07 2011 08:04 Tiazi wrote: yeaa that has been there for like a week now. other hot news: Spice girls split up! Kurt Cobain shot himself! | ||
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Saeglopur
Canada177 Posts
Unlike with D2 and WoW, gold sellers will now become direct business competitors with Blizzard. This is no longer an integrity issue, but a "YOU ARE FUCKING WITH MY MOTHERFUCKING MONEY" problem. I expect Blizz to act swiftly and strictly against any third party sites because their actions are now of more importance to the one thing that counts - profit. It might sound like I have blizzard's balls in my mouth but I am genuinely excited to see how this turns out. Of course, everything is only speculation at this point. However, I really believe this new business model will be beneficial to both gamers and developers. Yes, the shady sites and botters will still (and always) be around but their lives just got tougher with D3. | ||
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