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Uhh.. before the expansion energy was the MAIN STAT to both sorcs and necros, due to serious mana cost of spells. And melee/ranged guys gained SERIOUS damage bonuses from str/dex due to far lower total ED amount, hence all stats being relevant. Remember, D2 had excellent balance before the expansion, it was the rebalance and new gimmick additions that messed up the stat, skill and item balance, in addition to terrible end game content of baal runs instead of deep and interactive CS and river runs of pre expansion.
I was referring to D2X. People who talk about classic generally say so specifically, since there exists a very small, very 'hardcore' group of people who play Classic still (generally Hardcore Classic actually). And be it hell cowing, baal runs, CS, or bloody foothills, end game content was never about PvE, it was just grind grind grind. Baal runs were the best imo due to highest level item drops, but they were all pretty ... grinding. Saying grinding CS is better than Baal is kind of ridiculous.
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am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
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On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
Nah I completely agree, I don't understand how it matters what other people are doing, you don't have to play with, talk to or even associate with them in any way at all. You can just go through the game by yourself or with m8s. It only affects you if you allow it to.
I think it's really childish to be detered by the fact someone else will have better gear than you because they bought it, just play it and get the best gear you can and enjoy the game.
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On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
The real money auction house surely won't effect the gold auction house......right?
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On August 07 2011 11:51 howerpower wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. The real money auction house surely won't effect the gold auction house......right?
If i want to gear up my character, I'll eventually save up enough gold and buy some items on the AH.. or trade with my friends. It doesn't effect me. And also.. if im playing... ill be finding items of great value as well, and be able to put them on the AH.
I mean really. I swear there are alot of nerds foaming from the mouth about this. It's absurd
in all honesty.. its one of the best things to happen in the diablo series... and its already there in D2 in blackmarket form.
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On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
If the game was purely single player pve then yes this would be the case, however there is pvp arenas and a ladder in which you are interacting with other players competitively and if you aren't buying items you'll fall quickly behind the crowd, now if you don't want to be competitive at all and play it as a single player game then you can do that as well.
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On August 06 2011 21:34 Belial88 wrote:
iCanada, even the PvE scene and trading scene was amazing in HC. Leveling up with 7 other people in Arcane sanc or bloody hills was always fun, the best pvp I've ever played in a game, since how loot drops extremely, extremely rarely, but could be traded so easily. Wow sucked ass because of dragon points, how only certain bosses would drop gear, they always dropped awesome gear, but not every class could use it, it couldn't be sold but has to be used, binding, and you needed 40+ people to kill bosses anyways. Wow loot system was so fucking stupid, but diablo had the best loot system ever.
Eh, I think HC trading was about the same as SC trading, personally. Maybe the only difference was being able to take the Ear of someone infamous and get some serious coin for it. Most of the HC I played was in D2 classic, and I remember being able to sell level 90 ears for insane prices. One time the Din at the top of the ladder at the time tried to duel my BvB... his ear brought me 8 SoJ I believe. Although, I would say that in general HC gear was a) worth more than SC gear, and b) more easily parted with. I suppose I did better financially in HC than SC, different crowd. And Different Items were highly valued. A shaftstop could get you a lot, and I used to make tons off of the RW Smoke (Nef-Lum, cheap but +FHR, +200% Armor, and 50 all resistances) in particular.
I dunno about a big difference in PvE either, although I will say that the people who knew the game best seemed to play HC. Which, makes a ton of sense when you think about it. It was quite common for HC players to do runs of act 3 because even though it is typically "boring" or whatever, it has some of the best experience in the game. Since most never ran it, it never had any of the experience nerfs most other areas of the game have... every level gains equal points in those marshes, whereas things like Baal and Chaos you ought to be a certain level first.
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On August 07 2011 13:21 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. If the game was purely single player pve then yes this would be the case, however there is pvp arenas and a ladder in which you are interacting with other players competitively and if you aren't buying items you'll fall quickly behind the crowd, now if you don't want to be competitive at all and play it as a single player game then you can do that as well.
The pvp is the least focused part of the game, and is just there for fun. Also while I think lesser geared people will be able to outskill people who bought gear and are bad (you can in every other situation like this in other games) if you can't beat them you'll just get matched with lesser threats thanks to matchmaking.
More importantly the people who actually want to brag about being good will be doign hardcore anyways.
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On August 07 2011 13:21 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. If the game was purely single player pve then yes this would be the case, however there is pvp arenas and a ladder in which you are interacting with other players competitively and if you aren't buying items you'll fall quickly behind the crowd, now if you don't want to be competitive at all and play it as a single player game then you can do that as well.
And if Blizzard didn't have a store, then this would still happen. The only difference is that it is legitimate rather than done in back-alley forums. People would do it either way; at least the game developers are making money from it.
My problem is that they're still charging full-price for the game. They should at least reduce the price, since they're going to get far more than the sticker price from in-game sales. Even if they don't go the TF2 route, they could at least cut the price down to $30 or so.
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On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
**Warning Long read**
You get to play a video game for fun, it in no way effects what you do , and You can make money if you find an uber item like an SoJ teir quality ... man so many upset over this. I say who cares they can spend their hard earned money while I profit from them. The simple ease of this will destroy D2jsp and other 3rd party sites where it was a gamble to even get your money(I should know I lose probably over 3,000$ or more from those websites because I got scammed) I used to make a lot of money off those websites now i can "LEGALLY"sell items and not lose money because some guy chose to not pay me.
Sure PvP wont be balanced but they have said time and time again that they don't give a shit about PvP... And frankly only 10-15% of the Diablo 2 community enjoyed PvP and most that did were just greifers who enjoyed smashing other characters that were 30-50 levels under them... Just remember if you are equally geared or close to it , SKILL comes into part but if the person vastly out gears you.. you die even with out this RMAH , or the Gold auction house this would be the case. hence why Blizzard does not care about balance for it.
Hardcore in Diablo 2 was amazing(aside from the battle.net disconnects that murdered you at lvl 80+ ahh good times) webpages like d2jsp very rarely had the best items for HC mode any way and when they did they cost you almost 30x what the ladder did if you guys think webpages like d2jsp will crop of for Hardcore mode you are probably right but it will be a ban able offense as well as the simple fact if you internet goes out, or some other crazy thing like you kitty cat knocks your modem over you will be dead and the 50$ in real money you spent is gone(bad luck effects us all)
The gold auction house will be sufficient enough for this mode, I do not foresee another d2jsp site to actually become something playing off of this mode.
Botting, Maphacks, and out right cheating will not be any thing near what it was like in Diablo 2. In D2 you could run 3-4 Bot accounts on one PC and farm everything in the game without even thinking twice(any one with google could do it) Diablo 3 will be much harder to do such things in, Will they happen? Yes, but to what extent. I dare say that it wont be ANYTHING near the level of the D2 mess. As of right now Starcraft 2 has a Maphack/Drop hack which ruins ladder gaming but guess how many people you actually run into with those? probably 1 in 2000+ games and the next day they are banned(or a few days later) I think that proves that blizzard is actively trying to prevent these things with their new Bnet.
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On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you.
Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one.
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On August 07 2011 16:14 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you. Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one.
Yes it does. That's a very, very poor argument and analogy.
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On August 07 2011 16:28 JustTray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 16:14 Dfgj wrote:On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you. Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one. Yes it does. That's a very, very poor argument and analogy.
How exactly does it affect you? The only time them having greater gear comes into play with YOU is if they are in your game, making them kill things faster (only good for you), or them being in pvp, where in just a few games they will be placed where they belong matchmaking wise despite their gear.
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On August 07 2011 16:28 JustTray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 16:14 Dfgj wrote:On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you. Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one. Yes it does. That's a very, very poor argument and analogy.
How? Because of the economy? But you can just buy your items for cheap from them. You should be happy they make things more accessible.
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On August 07 2011 16:14 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you. Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one.
It did not affect me in Diablo 2, why would it effect me in Diablo 3?
PvP is the only situation this will hurt me and if they want to cheat in PvP more power to the noob. also cheating in diablo 3 will come with possible jail time(IE: botting and selling on the RMAH = fraud)
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On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
On August 07 2011 16:43 Nazarid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 16:14 Dfgj wrote:On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you. Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one. It did not affect me in Diablo 2, why would it effect me in Diablo 3? PvP is the only situation this will hurt me and if they want to cheat in PvP more power to the noob. also cheating in diablo 3 will come with possible jail time(IE: botting and selling on the RMAH = fraud)
Truer words were never spoken in this god-forsaken thread of whine.
The only time I cared about people cheating in D2 was when my lv 55 sorc got TPPKed in the sewers of Lut Golein. That's literally the only single time. I cared for about a whole 1 minute I think.
Some people here think that they are competing against hackers in RPGs. Think again.
In SC2 you are competing against people in matches. You have rewards for winning. Portraits, points, leagues. It matters.
In D2 you are competing WITH people. NOT AGAINST. The only thing you are getting from "winning" in an RPG is a bigger e-peen.
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infernal mode eh? that sounds interesting. :-D
ahh cant wait for gamescom hopefully get some info!
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On August 07 2011 16:43 Nazarid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 16:14 Dfgj wrote:On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you. Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one. It did not affect me in Diablo 2, why would it effect me in Diablo 3? PvP is the only situation this will hurt me and if they want to cheat in PvP more power to the noob. also cheating in diablo 3 will come with possible jail time(IE: botting and selling on the RMAH = fraud)
Seems like you dont really care about much of anything then, I myself can't really play with blinders on.
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On August 07 2011 13:21 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. If the game was purely single player pve then yes this would be the case, however there is pvp arenas and a ladder in which you are interacting with other players competitively and if you aren't buying items you'll fall quickly behind the crowd, now if you don't want to be competitive at all and play it as a single player game then you can do that as well. There isn't really a ladder based on what they've said lately. There's a "find game" type of matchmaking, and you have a hidden rating, but there's no way to know that rating. As you PvP more you get a "pvp level," but that's time-based, not skill-based.
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On August 07 2011 18:02 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 16:43 Nazarid wrote:On August 07 2011 16:14 Dfgj wrote:On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote:
am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money?
I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character. Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you. Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one. It did not affect me in Diablo 2, why would it effect me in Diablo 3? PvP is the only situation this will hurt me and if they want to cheat in PvP more power to the noob. also cheating in diablo 3 will come with possible jail time(IE: botting and selling on the RMAH = fraud) Seems like you dont really care about much of anything then, I myself can't really play with blinders on.
I honestly don't see why this pisses you off.
The only reason that comes to my mind is you being used to being the elitist 'best of the best' in games like Diablo, and now that someone who has money and a life can be on the same tier as you. However, I am inclined to give people a chance before concluding they are angry tools without lives...
That begs the question, why the hell DOES this bother you so much? Yeah they can buy items, or POWER if you want to phrase it like that, but they cannot buy anything you yourself can't get just by playing the game yourself. hell, you could even sell your own ingame gold for E-money/funds to your credit card and buy everything off the RMAH without spending a cent of your own money in the first place.
... I just want to understand.
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