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On September 24 2010 07:34 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:I'm not sure if people saw this but, - Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.
I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo. Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny. First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it. As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed. Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position. hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage.
Hi my name is not HSGG or bigfatjiji or elementz, but purple is OP. And yes they said so too.
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On September 24 2010 07:35 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 07:34 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:I'm not sure if people saw this but, - Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.
I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo. Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny. First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it. As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed. Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position. hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage. Hi my name is not HSGG or bigfatjiji or elementz, but purple is OP. And yes they said so too.
No, seriously, blue has an advantage. We know this because riot has parsed the data and blue wins more. That's the definition of an advantage. What hotshot or elementz says is not. Pretty simple.
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I decided to go with Garen, can someone give me a quick break-down of skill priority and item wish list? Thanks, love you TL.
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R > E > W=Q (depends on other team)
boots + pot (+ ward)
sunfire sunfire sunfire sunfire sunfire sunfire sunfire sunfire.
(oh and FoN is good too, GA isn't bad either)
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where the hell can i watch hsgg playing nowdays?Becoz http://thesodclan.com/clg_video.htm seems offline to me like 99% times i try.
Any1 pointing me the right direction is much appreciated!
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On September 24 2010 07:41 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 07:35 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 07:34 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:I'm not sure if people saw this but, - Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.
I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo. Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny. First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it. As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed. Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position. hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage. Hi my name is not HSGG or bigfatjiji or elementz, but purple is OP. And yes they said so too. No, seriously, blue has an advantage. We know this because riot has parsed the data and blue wins more. That's the definition of an advantage. What hotshot or elementz says is not. Pretty simple.
Is it possible that perhaps that the blue advantage doesn't apply to very high level games in which purple in fact has the advantage?
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On September 24 2010 08:00 pokerface wrote:where the hell can i watch hsgg playing nowdays?Becoz http://thesodclan.com/clg_video.htm seems offline to me like 99% times i try. Any1 pointing me the right direction is much appreciated!
http://clgaming.net/index.php?page=livestream
EDIT: Sorry lol. Only looked at links and didn't know it was same. I've not had any issues watching but I've heard a lot of people in the chat say they can't watch. Apologies.
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On September 24 2010 08:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 07:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:35 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 07:34 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:I'm not sure if people saw this but, - Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.
I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo. Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny. First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it. As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed. Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position. hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage. Hi my name is not HSGG or bigfatjiji or elementz, but purple is OP. And yes they said so too. No, seriously, blue has an advantage. We know this because riot has parsed the data and blue wins more. That's the definition of an advantage. What hotshot or elementz says is not. Pretty simple. Is it possible that perhaps that the blue advantage doesn't apply to very high level games in which purple in fact has the advantage?
Yeah this is what my experience tells me. The high level players are probably correct but it's very possible that they're correct only for their skill level.
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This is exactly the same stream i just linked,but thx anyway!
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On September 24 2010 08:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 07:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:35 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 07:34 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:I'm not sure if people saw this but, - Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.
I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo. Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny. First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it. As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed. Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position. hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage. Hi my name is not HSGG or bigfatjiji or elementz, but purple is OP. And yes they said so too. No, seriously, blue has an advantage. We know this because riot has parsed the data and blue wins more. That's the definition of an advantage. What hotshot or elementz says is not. Pretty simple. Is it possible that perhaps that the blue advantage doesn't apply to very high level games in which purple in fact has the advantage?
Since the heavy attention switch to baron, which is taken at any possible opportunity and the loss of interest in baron alongside the lower value of the laning phase (people will try to win lanes by getting a higher cs count rather than taking the tower and trying to end the game by pushing a side lane) is something which derives from the newer playing trend the answer is yes.
And the switch from 4 beefy characters+1 op ranged dps to more support heavy/ranged dps teams also contributed to switching the focus of the game on baron. Basically riot collected data from too many games and they included data from before the latest metagame trend.
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On September 24 2010 08:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 07:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:35 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 07:34 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:I'm not sure if people saw this but, - Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.
I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo. Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny. First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it. As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed. Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position. hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage. Hi my name is not HSGG or bigfatjiji or elementz, but purple is OP. And yes they said so too. No, seriously, blue has an advantage. We know this because riot has parsed the data and blue wins more. That's the definition of an advantage. What hotshot or elementz says is not. Pretty simple. Is it possible that perhaps that the blue advantage doesn't apply to very high level games in which purple in fact has the advantage?
Aside from the fact we didn't specify that, yeah it's possible but there's no reason to think so. It's not like we have any reason to think they discarded high level five mans or whatever.
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On September 24 2010 08:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 08:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On September 24 2010 07:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:35 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 07:34 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:I'm not sure if people saw this but, - Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.
I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo. Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny. First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it. As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed. Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position. hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage. Hi my name is not HSGG or bigfatjiji or elementz, but purple is OP. And yes they said so too. No, seriously, blue has an advantage. We know this because riot has parsed the data and blue wins more. That's the definition of an advantage. What hotshot or elementz says is not. Pretty simple. Is it possible that perhaps that the blue advantage doesn't apply to very high level games in which purple in fact has the advantage? Yeah this is what my experience tells me. The high level players are probably correct but it's very possible that they're correct only for their skill level.
But the thing is that doing simple stuff such as grabbing dragon on every respawn and getting baron whenever it's available wins games even with a feeding team at low ELOs, I wouldn't consider the 2 playstyles as being 2 separate worlds, I would just say that if we played like the high ELOs purple side definitely turns out to be the team with the big advantage.
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I find "coming back" as well as controlling baron significantly harder as purple team because it's so hard to properly ward the baron area. Contrary to popular belief the quick ward over the wall is not very useful, especially when it comes to baron because you really want to ward the grass.
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So how do we know that matchmaking isn't biased toward blue team?
I bet whatever system they use makes it so the teams are close, but close doesn't mean equal. Maybe something in the way the teams are picked favors blue more often than purple.
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FUN FACTS WITH REDTOOTH:
FACT: blue/purple are balanced.
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On September 24 2010 08:26 Southlight wrote:
I find "coming back" as well as controlling baron significantly harder as purple team because it's so hard to properly ward the baron area. Contrary to popular belief the quick ward over the wall is not very useful, especially when it comes to baron because you really want to ward the grass.
Purple's biggest advantage when it comes to baron is that they can just steal it from blue and it's extremely easy for them to do so, also purple can effectively fight inside the baron area while they keep their ranged dps upstairs. A mostly ranged purple team with say shen can easily do the baron from behind too.
And again, if blue sends a ranged dps behind baron while they do it he'll just get raped.
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Purple wards baron.
Blue buys oracle and clears it.
Purple is fawked.
Purple can drop a ward over baron but you never, ever gain baron control.
Blue can lose their ward but have multiple easy paths to the baron that are relatively safe.
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On September 24 2010 08:32 redtooth wrote:
FUN FACTS WITH REDTOOTH:
FACT: blue/purple are balanced.
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On September 24 2010 08:41 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 08:32 redtooth wrote:
FUN FACTS WITH REDTOOTH:
FACT: blue/purple are balanced.
If there are any imbalances, I haven't noticed them yet. Of course, I've only played ~100 games so far.
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