• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:36
CEST 09:36
KST 16:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 227ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon415.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch Data needed
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7331 users

League of Legends [New forum, check OP!] - Page 990

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 988 989 990 991 992 1431 Next
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 23 2010 21:06 GMT
#19781
Garen
Singed
Mordekaiser
Amumu

I dunno, some guy who does damage just by being there
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
September 23 2010 21:10 GMT
#19782
On September 24 2010 06:04 r.Evo wrote:
TL I NEED HALP

My connection is rather gay at the moment (400ms ping, some lagspikes from time to time) towards lol.

Which char plays fine under those conditions? I loved kassa so far but he is just godhorribleawefull when lag gets an issue. Riftwalk OH COOL IT LAGGED IM DEAD. Suggestions, please. Preferebly not that expensive in terms of IP, but feel free to suggest more expensive ones, too.

Gameplaywise I loved vlad/kassa/MF so far and I hated ashe/blitz, if that helps.

lagplank!
You can't milk those!
Knix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States67 Posts
September 23 2010 21:16 GMT
#19783
I'm about to buy my first hero, and I have enough for a 3150 hero. Should I get Olaf Garen or Xin Zhao?
I want someone who can either tank/jungle since I hear that's what is mostly lacking in games. Keep in mind I don't have any runes.
Drewbie: "Here I realize 'oh shit, I can't kill him' so I double expand."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 23 2010 21:17 GMT
#19784
all three of those are at the top of the "beefy dps/dps tank" category right now so take your pick
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 21:30:05
September 23 2010 21:29 GMT
#19785
Olaf for jungle

Garen for early game fun times

Xin for charge + ult = job finished everything else is icing on the cake

edit: or save and just play the freebies and see who you like.
FADC
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
September 23 2010 21:36 GMT
#19786
On September 24 2010 06:16 Knix wrote:
I'm about to buy my first hero, and I have enough for a 3150 hero. Should I get Olaf Garen or Xin Zhao?
I want someone who can either tank/jungle since I hear that's what is mostly lacking in games. Keep in mind I don't have any runes.


No love for Malphite
SUNSFANNED
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 21:54:58
September 23 2010 21:54 GMT
#19787
Garen duo-queuing with a friend who plays Taric/Sion/Morgana/etc. is awesome for leveling through unranked. Nothing like winning because both opponents in your lane ragequit when you owned the lane too hard.
Moderator
Knix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States67 Posts
September 23 2010 22:03 GMT
#19788
On September 24 2010 06:36 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:16 Knix wrote:
I'm about to buy my first hero, and I have enough for a 3150 hero. Should I get Olaf Garen or Xin Zhao?
I want someone who can either tank/jungle since I hear that's what is mostly lacking in games. Keep in mind I don't have any runes.


No love for Malphite


I played Malphite like a billion months ago when I used to play, he was one of the first I tried and went like 25-0 with him, but I didn't really like him that much
Drewbie: "Here I realize 'oh shit, I can't kill him' so I double expand."
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 23 2010 22:04 GMT
#19789
On September 24 2010 06:16 Knix wrote:
I'm about to buy my first hero, and I have enough for a 3150 hero. Should I get Olaf Garen or Xin Zhao?
I want someone who can either tank/jungle since I hear that's what is mostly lacking in games. Keep in mind I don't have any runes.


Olaf is the only one of those that can really jungle. Garen is def. the best tank of the three, mainly cuz his main build involves stacking sunfire capes.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 22:05:52
September 23 2010 22:05 GMT
#19790
Xin can jungle just fine. Should he? probably not, but that doesn't mean he can't do it mad easy.

EDIT: and I still maintain that sunfire Garen is worse than Sunfire -> GA -> FoN Garen 95% of the time.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 23 2010 22:06 GMT
#19791
I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 23 2010 22:12 GMT
#19792
On September 24 2010 07:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice?


i keep him around 75% health (except at first blue, and first small golem, which are always scary as fuck), it jungles a bit slower but it's safer just in case
but yeah if you want jungle speed don't bother healing rofl

i go
Blue
wolves
wraiths
smallems
cross river steal their blue or wolves or both

bp and buy madred's
red
gank like fucking mad

movespeed quints
mres/level blues
armor yellows
apen reds
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
September 23 2010 22:13 GMT
#19793
On September 24 2010 07:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice?

Jungle with camera centered on hero and place duct tape/sticky note over HP bar so you can't see.
Writer
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 23 2010 22:13 GMT
#19794
On September 24 2010 07:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice?


Dont do that when that have karthus.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
September 23 2010 22:16 GMT
#19795
I start with W on jungle olaf is that the reason i don't have a clue what you're all talking about O.o
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 22:19:08
September 23 2010 22:17 GMT
#19796
On September 24 2010 07:16 Pakje wrote:
I start with W on jungle olaf is that the reason i don't have a clue what you're all talking about O.o



This is pretty much how I run jungle olaf when I do it:
standard jungle opener
cloth+5pots
1/15/14 Is what I usually run
armpen red
arm yellow
cdr blue
movespeed quints because when you attack people they shall know the fear of never being able to run away!

I start at blue taking W as the first skill. I smite at the second use of W and not the first because using smite while W is up gives you HP from the svamp and I often feel I am at to high hp to justify it at the first W.
level 2 = Q
Q the wolves before you attack them (remember to use W)
go go go wraiths and take a second point in W
now repeat what you did at golem with smite at second use of W. Also remember to spam the Axe (usefull for killing of the mini lizards and you can hit both 1 of them and the great lizard with axe)
kill the small golems or not is up to you, but I usually try and gank almost right after the lizard.
Use Pots as you see fit. I usually have 2 left before I do small golems or gank.
Remember to gank after small golems if you decide to do them before the gank.

go back->buy madreds and boots 1 (think you should be able to afford this depending on the gank) and pick up a pot or two if you feel unsafe, also a ward to place at dragon is nice
from here you have a couple of choices:
1. try and gank somewhere again.
2. redo jungle and look for the enemy jungler trying to do dragon.
3. Dragon
4. um... rape the opposing teams jungle I guess?

washed
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 23 2010 22:26 GMT
#19797
Can any of these really jungle without runes/masteries? Garen and Xin are great on lane, those certainly are the safer bet. But at low levels nobody interrupts your jungling, so as long as you can do it somehow you should be more or less fine. Speed isn't that important either on low levels, and ganks should be fairly successful.

On September 24 2010 06:54 TheYango wrote:
Garen duo-queuing with a friend who plays Taric/Sion/Morgana/etc. is awesome for leveling through unranked. Nothing like winning because both opponents in your lane ragequit when you owned the lane too hard.


I recently laned with Ashe + Kayle against Sion + Garen. We pretty much kept them by their tower and on low health the whole time. Not sure anymore but I think we even scored a kill. I was kinda sloppy with my lasthitting though, I don't get to zone people very often as Ashe so I kinda mess up there.
So, was this supposed to happen? That Sion even said that I was playing badly, lol.

3150+ IP now, I need some tanky/CC champs before I am trying ranked (Ashe all the time won't cut it I guess), but I can't decide... I suck at jungling though - or at least I did the few times I tried...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
September 23 2010 22:32 GMT
#19798
On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:
I'm not sure if people saw this but,

Show nested quote +
- Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.


I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo.

Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny.

First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it.

As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed.

Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 14:59:23
September 23 2010 22:34 GMT
#19799
note: I'm not a better player than Brees, but his guide is old and I don't think he'd stand by it today. I've played around 100 games with Nasus and have a vague idea of what I'm doing - sometimes I even carry.

Nasus, for the man with refined taste v1.5 (the mid-high elo edition)
+ Show Spoiler +
Pre-game setup
arpen / mp5 plvl / mp5 plvl* / movespeed
0/9/21 <- http://tinyurl.com/3ykcvcf **
cleanse / ghost

*I've considered swapping out the mp5 blues for mres plvl, because you don't always need that much mana regen. I stick with a full mp5 setup because: one, you can't assume you'll have blue buff control, and two, you can buy ingame items to cover things like mres without setting yourself back. Buying mp5 is a waste. An oom Nasus is a useless Nasus. Movespeed quints are best quints. HP quints don't help much.

**Not negotiable. Perseverance sucks, Dodge sucks. Trust me.

sidenote: LoCicero runs flat armor yellows and quints. I'm guessing it's to make him unharrassable in early laning, as that's Nasus' weakest point. I like my ms and mp5 too much to try it out just yet.

Skills
qweeer / r>e>q>w

There's a bit of flexibility here. E wrecks lanes, but you don't want to push towers until you get your first 3 items. Also avoid using E at all until it's at least lvl 3 - it eats a ton of mana and doesn't do a whole lot until then. Use your head, if you don't think you'll need a 4th or 5th level of Spirit Fire soon, get a 2nd or 3rd point for Siphon Strike.

Items
Doran's Shield + Health Pot
Heart of Gold***
Sheen
Merc Treads
Chain Mail and/or Negatron****
Triforce
Randuins
Banshees
~whatever*****

You want pure tank outside of Triforce. Nasus can be built DPS but it's simply an inferior setup. I can rack up the kills with nothing more than Sheen.

***No, Nasus doesn't need the gold from HoG. You get it first because gold is good, more gold is better, and Randuins is core. Seriously - you want the Randuins. Farmed Q + Triforce proc + a touch of CDR = you're slamming your staff for 700+ every few seconds. Q is undodgeable btw.

****Aegis used to be here but with more thought and feedback, I realized it's not cost effective unless your team is HIGHLY coordinated. Both chain and negatron build into better items (Randuins/Banshees), so I play greedy now. I've stopped buying GA since the nerf. Some people still use it, I don't think it's worthwhile spending 2600 gold to be revived at <25% health once every five minutes.

*****I never buy Frozen Mallet or Sunfire Cape. Ever. Frozen Mallet is expensive, you've already got 3 slows in W/Randuins/Triforce, and Nasus doesn't need that much HP. E/R/other items more than cover whatever Sunfire would give you.

General Gameplay
Ideally solo mid. Top will work too, but you want to be on hand to help with dragon. You shouldn't lose any 1v1 matchup. (Mogwai says his Pantheon can wreck a Nasus. I've never soloed against a good one so I have no say here.) 1v2's can be tricky if your opponents are smart, I've been avoiding them as I've moved up in elo. If all they do is push the lane then you will destroy them.

AFK farm until you get HoG+Sheen+Merc. Grab blue buff and push down towers like they're made of cardboard. Nasus can solo dragon at any point after he gets Sheen. Teamfights are as easy as ABC: Wither their DPS, drop a Spirit Fire, pop your ult, and QQQQQQQ until you've aced them. Your ult also serves for taking a fast baron.


Jungle
Just don't. Nasus is an awesome laner and a subpar jungler.


this guide is current as of whatever patch Lux dropped on.
it's my first day
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 23 2010 22:34 GMT
#19800
On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:
I'm not sure if people saw this but,

- Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.


I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo.

Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny.

First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it.

As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed.

Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position.


hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Prev 1 988 989 990 991 992 1431 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 162
ProTech112
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 39796
GuemChi 1947
Shuttle 655
Leta 575
Mong 410
actioN 332
ggaemo 79
ZergMaN 71
Aegong 57
yabsab 46
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 29
Bale 22
GoRush 17
League of Legends
Doublelift4330
JimRising 637
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv592
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King123
Other Games
summit1g5830
Happy258
NeuroSwarm120
Sick21
Liquid`Ken13
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick24749
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota273
League of Legends
• Jankos1314
• Stunt455
• HappyZerGling84
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 24m
CrankTV Team League
3h 24m
OSC
9h 24m
Replay Cast
16h 24m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
CrankTV Team League
1d 3h
OSC
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Heroes Pulsing #3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.