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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 23 2010 21:06 GMT
#19781
Garen
Singed
Mordekaiser
Amumu

I dunno, some guy who does damage just by being there
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StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
September 23 2010 21:10 GMT
#19782
On September 24 2010 06:04 r.Evo wrote:
TL I NEED HALP

My connection is rather gay at the moment (400ms ping, some lagspikes from time to time) towards lol.

Which char plays fine under those conditions? I loved kassa so far but he is just godhorribleawefull when lag gets an issue. Riftwalk OH COOL IT LAGGED IM DEAD. Suggestions, please. Preferebly not that expensive in terms of IP, but feel free to suggest more expensive ones, too.

Gameplaywise I loved vlad/kassa/MF so far and I hated ashe/blitz, if that helps.

lagplank!
You can't milk those!
Knix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States67 Posts
September 23 2010 21:16 GMT
#19783
I'm about to buy my first hero, and I have enough for a 3150 hero. Should I get Olaf Garen or Xin Zhao?
I want someone who can either tank/jungle since I hear that's what is mostly lacking in games. Keep in mind I don't have any runes.
Drewbie: "Here I realize 'oh shit, I can't kill him' so I double expand."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 23 2010 21:17 GMT
#19784
all three of those are at the top of the "beefy dps/dps tank" category right now so take your pick
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 21:30:05
September 23 2010 21:29 GMT
#19785
Olaf for jungle

Garen for early game fun times

Xin for charge + ult = job finished everything else is icing on the cake

edit: or save and just play the freebies and see who you like.
FADC
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
September 23 2010 21:36 GMT
#19786
On September 24 2010 06:16 Knix wrote:
I'm about to buy my first hero, and I have enough for a 3150 hero. Should I get Olaf Garen or Xin Zhao?
I want someone who can either tank/jungle since I hear that's what is mostly lacking in games. Keep in mind I don't have any runes.


No love for Malphite
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 21:54:58
September 23 2010 21:54 GMT
#19787
Garen duo-queuing with a friend who plays Taric/Sion/Morgana/etc. is awesome for leveling through unranked. Nothing like winning because both opponents in your lane ragequit when you owned the lane too hard.
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Knix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States67 Posts
September 23 2010 22:03 GMT
#19788
On September 24 2010 06:36 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:16 Knix wrote:
I'm about to buy my first hero, and I have enough for a 3150 hero. Should I get Olaf Garen or Xin Zhao?
I want someone who can either tank/jungle since I hear that's what is mostly lacking in games. Keep in mind I don't have any runes.


No love for Malphite


I played Malphite like a billion months ago when I used to play, he was one of the first I tried and went like 25-0 with him, but I didn't really like him that much
Drewbie: "Here I realize 'oh shit, I can't kill him' so I double expand."
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
September 23 2010 22:04 GMT
#19789
On September 24 2010 06:16 Knix wrote:
I'm about to buy my first hero, and I have enough for a 3150 hero. Should I get Olaf Garen or Xin Zhao?
I want someone who can either tank/jungle since I hear that's what is mostly lacking in games. Keep in mind I don't have any runes.


Olaf is the only one of those that can really jungle. Garen is def. the best tank of the three, mainly cuz his main build involves stacking sunfire capes.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 22:05:52
September 23 2010 22:05 GMT
#19790
Xin can jungle just fine. Should he? probably not, but that doesn't mean he can't do it mad easy.

EDIT: and I still maintain that sunfire Garen is worse than Sunfire -> GA -> FoN Garen 95% of the time.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 23 2010 22:06 GMT
#19791
I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 23 2010 22:12 GMT
#19792
On September 24 2010 07:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice?


i keep him around 75% health (except at first blue, and first small golem, which are always scary as fuck), it jungles a bit slower but it's safer just in case
but yeah if you want jungle speed don't bother healing rofl

i go
Blue
wolves
wraiths
smallems
cross river steal their blue or wolves or both

bp and buy madred's
red
gank like fucking mad

movespeed quints
mres/level blues
armor yellows
apen reds
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
September 23 2010 22:13 GMT
#19793
On September 24 2010 07:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice?

Jungle with camera centered on hero and place duct tape/sticky note over HP bar so you can't see.
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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 23 2010 22:13 GMT
#19794
On September 24 2010 07:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice?


Dont do that when that have karthus.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
September 23 2010 22:16 GMT
#19795
I start with W on jungle olaf is that the reason i don't have a clue what you're all talking about O.o
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 22:19:08
September 23 2010 22:17 GMT
#19796
On September 24 2010 07:16 Pakje wrote:
I start with W on jungle olaf is that the reason i don't have a clue what you're all talking about O.o



This is pretty much how I run jungle olaf when I do it:
standard jungle opener
cloth+5pots
1/15/14 Is what I usually run
armpen red
arm yellow
cdr blue
movespeed quints because when you attack people they shall know the fear of never being able to run away!

I start at blue taking W as the first skill. I smite at the second use of W and not the first because using smite while W is up gives you HP from the svamp and I often feel I am at to high hp to justify it at the first W.
level 2 = Q
Q the wolves before you attack them (remember to use W)
go go go wraiths and take a second point in W
now repeat what you did at golem with smite at second use of W. Also remember to spam the Axe (usefull for killing of the mini lizards and you can hit both 1 of them and the great lizard with axe)
kill the small golems or not is up to you, but I usually try and gank almost right after the lizard.
Use Pots as you see fit. I usually have 2 left before I do small golems or gank.
Remember to gank after small golems if you decide to do them before the gank.

go back->buy madreds and boots 1 (think you should be able to afford this depending on the gank) and pick up a pot or two if you feel unsafe, also a ward to place at dragon is nice
from here you have a couple of choices:
1. try and gank somewhere again.
2. redo jungle and look for the enemy jungler trying to do dragon.
3. Dragon
4. um... rape the opposing teams jungle I guess?

washed
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 23 2010 22:26 GMT
#19797
Can any of these really jungle without runes/masteries? Garen and Xin are great on lane, those certainly are the safer bet. But at low levels nobody interrupts your jungling, so as long as you can do it somehow you should be more or less fine. Speed isn't that important either on low levels, and ganks should be fairly successful.

On September 24 2010 06:54 TheYango wrote:
Garen duo-queuing with a friend who plays Taric/Sion/Morgana/etc. is awesome for leveling through unranked. Nothing like winning because both opponents in your lane ragequit when you owned the lane too hard.


I recently laned with Ashe + Kayle against Sion + Garen. We pretty much kept them by their tower and on low health the whole time. Not sure anymore but I think we even scored a kill. I was kinda sloppy with my lasthitting though, I don't get to zone people very often as Ashe so I kinda mess up there.
So, was this supposed to happen? That Sion even said that I was playing badly, lol.

3150+ IP now, I need some tanky/CC champs before I am trying ranked (Ashe all the time won't cut it I guess), but I can't decide... I suck at jungling though - or at least I did the few times I tried...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
September 23 2010 22:32 GMT
#19798
On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:
I'm not sure if people saw this but,

Show nested quote +
- Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.


I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo.

Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny.

First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it.

As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed.

Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 14:59:23
September 23 2010 22:34 GMT
#19799
note: I'm not a better player than Brees, but his guide is old and I don't think he'd stand by it today. I've played around 100 games with Nasus and have a vague idea of what I'm doing - sometimes I even carry.

Nasus, for the man with refined taste v1.5 (the mid-high elo edition)
+ Show Spoiler +
Pre-game setup
arpen / mp5 plvl / mp5 plvl* / movespeed
0/9/21 <- http://tinyurl.com/3ykcvcf **
cleanse / ghost

*I've considered swapping out the mp5 blues for mres plvl, because you don't always need that much mana regen. I stick with a full mp5 setup because: one, you can't assume you'll have blue buff control, and two, you can buy ingame items to cover things like mres without setting yourself back. Buying mp5 is a waste. An oom Nasus is a useless Nasus. Movespeed quints are best quints. HP quints don't help much.

**Not negotiable. Perseverance sucks, Dodge sucks. Trust me.

sidenote: LoCicero runs flat armor yellows and quints. I'm guessing it's to make him unharrassable in early laning, as that's Nasus' weakest point. I like my ms and mp5 too much to try it out just yet.

Skills
qweeer / r>e>q>w

There's a bit of flexibility here. E wrecks lanes, but you don't want to push towers until you get your first 3 items. Also avoid using E at all until it's at least lvl 3 - it eats a ton of mana and doesn't do a whole lot until then. Use your head, if you don't think you'll need a 4th or 5th level of Spirit Fire soon, get a 2nd or 3rd point for Siphon Strike.

Items
Doran's Shield + Health Pot
Heart of Gold***
Sheen
Merc Treads
Chain Mail and/or Negatron****
Triforce
Randuins
Banshees
~whatever*****

You want pure tank outside of Triforce. Nasus can be built DPS but it's simply an inferior setup. I can rack up the kills with nothing more than Sheen.

***No, Nasus doesn't need the gold from HoG. You get it first because gold is good, more gold is better, and Randuins is core. Seriously - you want the Randuins. Farmed Q + Triforce proc + a touch of CDR = you're slamming your staff for 700+ every few seconds. Q is undodgeable btw.

****Aegis used to be here but with more thought and feedback, I realized it's not cost effective unless your team is HIGHLY coordinated. Both chain and negatron build into better items (Randuins/Banshees), so I play greedy now. I've stopped buying GA since the nerf. Some people still use it, I don't think it's worthwhile spending 2600 gold to be revived at <25% health once every five minutes.

*****I never buy Frozen Mallet or Sunfire Cape. Ever. Frozen Mallet is expensive, you've already got 3 slows in W/Randuins/Triforce, and Nasus doesn't need that much HP. E/R/other items more than cover whatever Sunfire would give you.

General Gameplay
Ideally solo mid. Top will work too, but you want to be on hand to help with dragon. You shouldn't lose any 1v1 matchup. (Mogwai says his Pantheon can wreck a Nasus. I've never soloed against a good one so I have no say here.) 1v2's can be tricky if your opponents are smart, I've been avoiding them as I've moved up in elo. If all they do is push the lane then you will destroy them.

AFK farm until you get HoG+Sheen+Merc. Grab blue buff and push down towers like they're made of cardboard. Nasus can solo dragon at any point after he gets Sheen. Teamfights are as easy as ABC: Wither their DPS, drop a Spirit Fire, pop your ult, and QQQQQQQ until you've aced them. Your ult also serves for taking a fast baron.


Jungle
Just don't. Nasus is an awesome laner and a subpar jungler.


this guide is current as of whatever patch Lux dropped on.
it's my first day
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 23 2010 22:34 GMT
#19800
On September 24 2010 07:32 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 05:38 ProV1 wrote:
I'm not sure if people saw this but,

- Blue team on summoner's rift ONLY is considered as having an advantage, and will tend to be the weaker of the two teams now to even things out. This advantage is being rated at about 25 elo points. We reached this conclusion by using various statistical techniques on a very large set of games.


I always knew blue had a slight advantage in terms of the map, but now you know which side is the crap side to be on in terms of team elo.

Uhh this is retarded. Purple has so many advantages over blue it's not even funny.

First of all the supposed dragon and baron advantages blue has are completely turned in favor of purple: thanks to the return of lategame carries you will pull dragon out of his caveish area and fight him in the open, so that blue can not steal the kill. Purple will then be able to do baron from behind, or steal it for that matter, since if blue does dragon they have to leave 1 guy over the ledge who will be vulnerable to spotting and quick ganking. It is also still possible to hide a ward under baron, which gives purple spotting and the ability to smitesteal it.

As for river control, HSGG recently started warding blue's jungle opening into the river above golem, which gives him vision of the top river and isn't worth taking down unless you are nidalee/corki/can do it for free. The ward wars on dragon reward the purple team regardless of the outcome, since even if dragon's warded their ganker can come hide in the lane brushes once the lane is being slightly pushed.

Therefore after the slight advantage blue junglers may have in the extremely early game (which won't affect the game much since heavy counterjungling is no longer a deciding factor) throughout the rest of the game the purple team has tons and tons of stacking advantages. Basically blue sucks, purple can autowin games thanks to it position.


hi, my name is data. blue has an advantage.
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