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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 24 2010 07:26 spinesheath wrote: I recently laned with Ashe + Kayle against Sion + Garen. We pretty much kept them by their tower and on low health the whole time. Not sure anymore but I think we even scored a kill. I was kinda sloppy with my lasthitting though, I don't get to zone people very often as Ashe so I kinda mess up there. So, was this supposed to happen? That Sion even said that I was playing badly, lol. 3150+ IP now, I need some tanky/CC champs before I am trying ranked (Ashe all the time won't cut it I guess), but I can't decide... I suck at jungling though - or at least I did the few times I tried... You're probably a better player than I am--hence the edit in the word unranked lol. I actually haven't done it as Sion/Garen or Morg/Garen--just told by a friend who plays ranked that they are of comparable lane strength (though, having once actually scored a kill 1v2 against a Garen/Sion lane as Taric, personal experience tells me that might be wrong). From my experience with Taric/Garen, the ridiculous burst the pair can put out, coupled with their general lane stayability and resistance to harrassment, it's damn strong against pretty much every lane we faced. The only setup I can think of that we weren't actually beating in laning was a Shen/Ashe lane, and that was largely because my friend playing Garen didn't know that Shen was a tank at the time, and fed twice trying to push kills that really weren't going to happen. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:44 Southlight wrote: I'm not saying it's imba, as I don't really care which side I end up on, but it's significantly more difficult to regain baron control on purple team and a lot easier to safely attack into a baroning team if you're blue. That, too, is an indisputable fact thanks to map layout. That's why I haven't noticed then - for some reason level 18-19-20 people never, ever want to baron. I don't understand it. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:44 Southlight wrote: attacking into baron has such a variety of situations that it's stupid to even debate about "advantages or disadvantages". amumu, nidalee, morgana, katarina, any AoE with flash or walljumper all benefit from purple side and purple side is easier to escape into for all walljumping heroes. if you're caught baroning on blue side, you cant really walljump/flash to purple side and expect to live. blue has a better attack angle and better brush placement.I'm not saying it's imba, as I don't really care which side I end up on, but it's significantly more difficult to regain baron control on purple team and a lot easier to safely attack into a baroning team if you're blue. That, too, is an indisputable fact thanks to map layout. revised FACT: blue/purple are balanced enough so that the differences are minuscule compared to differences in skill | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:51 BrownBear wrote: That's why I haven't noticed then - for some reason level 18-19-20 people never, ever want to baron. I don't understand it. Level 18-19-20 also very frequently don't jungle or dragon. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:55 Southlight wrote: That statement I'll agree with red, which is why I said I don't actually care. But you can't deny there're differences, and thus certain hero comps favour one side over the other, IMO. Ranged AoE (Morg/Mal/Veig) are fabulous baron steal/control for purple because you can damage the other team blind for free. Meanwhile if you're baroning and you're purple and you get caught it's harder to run to safety. Attacking into baron from purp lines you up because of that ramp... but you can sit certain ranged heroes (like Ez) at the corner and fight from safety while being able to tele down to chase. etc. etc. Galio flashes from behind baron PENTAKILL | ||
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Knix
United States67 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:55 Southlight wrote: That statement I'll agree with red, which is why I said I don't actually care. But you can't deny there're differences, and thus certain hero comps favour one side over the other, IMO. Ranged AoE (Morg/Mal/Veig) are fabulous baron steal/control for purple because you can damage the other team blind for free. Meanwhile if you're baroning and you're purple and you get caught it's harder to run to safety. Attacking into baron from purp lines you up because of that ramp... but you can sit certain ranged heroes (like Ez) at the corner and fight from safety while being able to tele down to chase. etc. etc. You aren't reading... Purple doesn't have to control or attack baron, with the ranged carries now safely doing a shitton of dmg they can just steal it or do it from behind. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On September 24 2010 07:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I find olaf hard to jungle with, I think i'm just doing it wrong. Every time I get under 1/4 hp I start freaking out but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to jungle at like 1/10 hp the whole way. Can anyone help me out with some advice? Yeah me too hahaha. :[ Damn invisi twitches.. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:51 redtooth wrote: revised FACT: blue/purple are balanced enough so that the differences are minuscule compared to differences in skill ill agree with this | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Did she get nerfed? | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
are there screen shots or something of the actual wards that shows how to get the most effectiveness out of them? | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
"we were doing baron and you ganked us, fuck purple team man" if you lost a game it was 99.8% because of skill, not because of blue/purple. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:18 Senx wrote: Toss up between Anivia and Kassadin for my hero purchase atm :D Anivias spotlight video was just too ridicilous to ignore. Did she get nerfed? Not sure but she's still a really strong caster Imo, really underrated. And she's hella fun. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:21 Frolossus wrote: what are the best places to place wards? are there screen shots or something of the actual wards that shows how to get the most effectiveness out of them? There are a few around, check some of the top guides on leaguecraft, a couple of them have a good map. Bear in mind that with towers falling the teams shift their control across the map and wards should be moved accordingly. Still in general ward dragon first, then blue's path from golem to river (on first recall if you're top), then their blue/red depending on their team(starting around lv 6), then the area of ground next to your opponent's wraiths(early-midgame), then the triangular brush spot on your top/bot lane if you're fearing ganks. You can also ward one of the side brushes of mid lane if you're worried about ganks if you have 90g left from your first recall. Then when the first mid tower falls ward the small brush next to wraiths towards the new defending tower, after that just keep contolling the areas where you fear ganks may come from as well as baron and dragon, keeping in mind that as a general rule what you want to see. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:18 Senx wrote: Toss up between Anivia and Kassadin for my hero purchase atm :D Anivias spotlight video was just too ridicilous to ignore. Did she get nerfed? She didn't get nerfed but most people won't let you get that close to use your skillshots. That said, she is strong but difficult to use. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:38 Phrost wrote: She didn't get nerfed but most people won't let you get that close to use your skillshots. That said, she is strong but difficult to use. generally speaking to properly land her Q you want to use your W or R first | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Sona didn't do so great but we completely zoned Galio/Vlad! | ||
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