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On September 24 2010 02:54 pyro19 wrote:
Okay , based on your comments , i Deleted the whole client from my computer and am now downloading it from the the LOL official server.
And no , i never knew the game was free , so yeah bear with me.
Anyways thanks for the help.
you'll want to do some heavy virus scanning even if you deleted the client
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On September 24 2010 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
DPS annie is completely viable at the 840 level
triforce->madred's BRs->zerkers->rageblade->phage
our fiddle had manamune and no boots
miss fortune had frozen heart
mordekaiser was just an absolute mess of random items
pretty great play down here at the bottom
Dude I told you that you would be loved with AD annie 
Also nice having a wiki page, will make it a lot easier for me to find stuff that I want when I want it and not after 3 hours of page searching 
thank southlight for once again being awesome (that goes with most of the Liquidparty people actually)
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So any additional input on Kassadin being viable at non-shitty levels?  Ive been following a guide that builds Tear of goddess, Rod of ages, Mercury boots and Haunting Guise then w/e AP boosting item.
But he said that I should get Archangel's Staff after the core items but I really dont have power issues at that point so I dont think thats the most clever choice (?)
Ive found that I cant really mess with melee dps or tanks too much pre lvl 6. Im more of a caster killer, however it feels like i'm often the one engaging a grp fight with my teleport on top of a squishy caster, it usually baits the other to get out of position for my teammates to blow em up, is this a viable strat at all or should i play more passive once i get opposed better players?
Is there any point in building more defense items for more health / armor past rod of ages/boots so I can be even more aggressive?
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On September 24 2010 03:09 Senx wrote:So any additional input on Kassadin being viable at non-shitty levels?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129727¤tpage=373#7460
As I mentioned some days ago I've been more reluctant to use Kassadin due to the rebirth of ranged DPS (they crush him as the game goes on) but I still run Shield -> Cata -> Soulstealer -> etc. opening in solo and Ring -> Cata -> Soul -> Veil in side-lane.
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On September 24 2010 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
DPS annie is completely viable at the 840 level
triforce->madred's BRs->zerkers->rageblade->phage
our fiddle had manamune and no boots
miss fortune had frozen heart
mordekaiser was just an absolute mess of random items
pretty great play down here at the bottom
While you're down there...
Please play AP Trynd. with spirit visage you can heal yourself to full after your ult and laugh at the enemy team. His AP ratios are actually amazing (1.5 for heal and 1.0 for spinning slash)
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So anyone have any information at all about kassadin? I swear I read the entire thread and didn't find a thing. I guess no one really plays him ever.
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On September 24 2010 03:23 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
DPS annie is completely viable at the 840 level
triforce->madred's BRs->zerkers->rageblade->phage
our fiddle had manamune and no boots
miss fortune had frozen heart
mordekaiser was just an absolute mess of random items
pretty great play down here at the bottom While you're down there... Please play AP Trynd. with spirit visage you can heal yourself to full after your ult and laugh at the enemy team. His AP ratios are actually amazing (1.5 for heal and 1.0 for spinning slash)
WITH LICHBANE! :D:D:D
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On September 24 2010 03:23 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
DPS annie is completely viable at the 840 level
triforce->madred's BRs->zerkers->rageblade->phage
our fiddle had manamune and no boots
miss fortune had frozen heart
mordekaiser was just an absolute mess of random items
pretty great play down here at the bottom While you're down there... Please play AP Trynd. with spirit visage you can heal yourself to full after your ult and laugh at the enemy team. His AP ratios are actually amazing (1.5 for heal and 1.0 for spinning slash)
You clearly need Triforce for AP Trynd, no other item gives AP and Crit. You probably should stack Triforces because of this. Getting AP and Crit on seperate items is NOT an option!
You can even skip boots because of the MSpd bonus.
Triple Trinity Tryndamere. 3T. Awesome.
A related (literally) comment:
Queen Ashe looks really bad ingame. Especially when she's moving. (no I didn't buy that skin)
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I can't believe I didn't do this this morning  Now the servers all laggy.. I'm sure it will get worse.
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On September 24 2010 03:31 spinesheath wrote:
A related (literally) comment:
Queen Ashe looks really bad ingame. Especially when she's moving. (no I didn't buy that skin)
I played against her last night but I don't remember her looking terrible... however she was dying in like 3 hits so it was hard to tell o/
Metal Mordekaiser looks like Tryndamere from the front though, what with his bare chest.
The giveaway won't work on any accounts that already got the keys before.
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I think the site went down.
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On September 24 2010 03:40 Bhaalgorn wrote:
I think the site went down.
I can load it up fine, it shows 0 keys remaining, but they said that is what you see if you already have gotten your key.
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On September 23 2010 13:05 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 12:21 HazMat wrote:On September 23 2010 12:13 SCC-Faust wrote:On September 23 2010 12:11 Jazriel wrote:On September 23 2010 11:04 HazMat wrote:I hate skimming this thread and people giving out awful advice. Please don't give out advice if you're not very good At least be lvl 30 T_T edit: Like the guy above me, please don't listen to his flash/clairvoyance Ashe build that he posted earlier. If you can point out a flaw with Flash and Clairvoyance on Ashe when she's filling the role of pseudo-carry/DPS support please do so. Until then don't say I'm wrong. Ashe is a flexible hero where every build is reliant on team composition and match-up. Ashes used to get clair but now she has hawkshot. It seems redundant and waste of a summoner spell. This is exactly what I''m talking about, ashes NEVER got clairvoyance. Jazriel, I'll tell you why it's bad tommorow unless some other good player explains it. It's hard for me to type on my iPod. I'm glad you read so much into things. Pre-season 1 I've seen a lot of Ashe go ghost+cleanse. (Pre cleanse nerf) However, I said Ashes used to get clair. I didn't say always, I didn't say mostly. I was responding to what was relevant. It happened. Maybe you never saw an Ashe with clair, but I have seen a handful. As you probably know, being a top ELO player, Ashe is the most played champion pre-season 1. Statistically she boasts around 5% usage. I'm sure there is a portion of that which attributes from people who just came from the tutorial and wanted to try Ashe, but how many of you actually mained Ashe first because she was in the tutorial? Not anybody I know of. My point is there was variety. There have been good Ashe with ghost+cleanse, and there have been bad Ashe with ghost+cleanse. Likewise with clair. If you didn't see any good Ashe with clair, you didn't play enough. So obviously you aren't talking about ALL Ashes. Maybe you have this preconceived notion that all Ashes who had clair were bad. And, additionally, you want to criticize me for saying something that is true, indirectly call me a bad player without knowing anything about me, then tell someone you'll explain something that is seemingly simple tomorrow incase no one that you deem a "good player" answers it. If you need a "good player" to explain something so simple, why ghost/flash is the optimal decision for most carries now, and why someone who basically has a built in clair to not get clair, then I guess we are all pretty much great players here. Hopefully you'll make a new rendition of what a good player is because I met the qualification for the last one, but clearly I don't meet the qualification to speak about Ashe and clair. Excited to see an update so everyone here can conform so we don't look too dumb on this thread! Would hate to upset you.
I give up.
I was just trying to help and then Jazriel gets banned and you get mad.
Not cool guys.
But no, I have not seen a good Ashe that went clair.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 24 2010 03:51 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 13:05 SCC-Faust wrote:On September 23 2010 12:21 HazMat wrote:On September 23 2010 12:13 SCC-Faust wrote:On September 23 2010 12:11 Jazriel wrote:On September 23 2010 11:04 HazMat wrote:I hate skimming this thread and people giving out awful advice. Please don't give out advice if you're not very good At least be lvl 30 T_T edit: Like the guy above me, please don't listen to his flash/clairvoyance Ashe build that he posted earlier. If you can point out a flaw with Flash and Clairvoyance on Ashe when she's filling the role of pseudo-carry/DPS support please do so. Until then don't say I'm wrong. Ashe is a flexible hero where every build is reliant on team composition and match-up. Ashes used to get clair but now she has hawkshot. It seems redundant and waste of a summoner spell. This is exactly what I''m talking about, ashes NEVER got clairvoyance. Jazriel, I'll tell you why it's bad tommorow unless some other good player explains it. It's hard for me to type on my iPod. I'm glad you read so much into things. Pre-season 1 I've seen a lot of Ashe go ghost+cleanse. (Pre cleanse nerf) However, I said Ashes used to get clair. I didn't say always, I didn't say mostly. I was responding to what was relevant. It happened. Maybe you never saw an Ashe with clair, but I have seen a handful. As you probably know, being a top ELO player, Ashe is the most played champion pre-season 1. Statistically she boasts around 5% usage. I'm sure there is a portion of that which attributes from people who just came from the tutorial and wanted to try Ashe, but how many of you actually mained Ashe first because she was in the tutorial? Not anybody I know of. My point is there was variety. There have been good Ashe with ghost+cleanse, and there have been bad Ashe with ghost+cleanse. Likewise with clair. If you didn't see any good Ashe with clair, you didn't play enough. So obviously you aren't talking about ALL Ashes. Maybe you have this preconceived notion that all Ashes who had clair were bad. And, additionally, you want to criticize me for saying something that is true, indirectly call me a bad player without knowing anything about me, then tell someone you'll explain something that is seemingly simple tomorrow incase no one that you deem a "good player" answers it. If you need a "good player" to explain something so simple, why ghost/flash is the optimal decision for most carries now, and why someone who basically has a built in clair to not get clair, then I guess we are all pretty much great players here. Hopefully you'll make a new rendition of what a good player is because I met the qualification for the last one, but clearly I don't meet the qualification to speak about Ashe and clair. Excited to see an update so everyone here can conform so we don't look too dumb on this thread! Would hate to upset you. I give up. I was just trying to help and then Jazriel gets banned and you get mad. Not cool guys.
Yeah I'm sorry. Next time someone insults me I'll just keep my mouth shut.
If you don't want people to get mad maybe you can try to not treat them like shit.
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I made a new email and new account, keys are all gone already.
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I didn't insult you. I just said you're wrong when you were wrong.
The reason to not get clairvoyance isn't because you have hawkshot, it's because you are a carry with no positioning skill so you need 2 escape summoners to survive a teamfight while outputting enough dmg.
You will NOT survive a garen/udyr/kassadin/akali/shaco or any other champ that can get to you because all you have is flash or ghost.
And the reason I picked Jazriel's build is because he made it seem like his build was good. I don't want some new player to read his post, think "OH this guy knows what he's doing" and pick flash/clairvoyance and max E because W doesn't scale with damage.
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On September 24 2010 03:55 SCC-Faust wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 24 2010 03:51 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 13:05 SCC-Faust wrote:On September 23 2010 12:21 HazMat wrote:On September 23 2010 12:13 SCC-Faust wrote:On September 23 2010 12:11 Jazriel wrote:On September 23 2010 11:04 HazMat wrote:I hate skimming this thread and people giving out awful advice. Please don't give out advice if you're not very good At least be lvl 30 T_T edit: Like the guy above me, please don't listen to his flash/clairvoyance Ashe build that he posted earlier. If you can point out a flaw with Flash and Clairvoyance on Ashe when she's filling the role of pseudo-carry/DPS support please do so. Until then don't say I'm wrong. Ashe is a flexible hero where every build is reliant on team composition and match-up. Ashes used to get clair but now she has hawkshot. It seems redundant and waste of a summoner spell. This is exactly what I''m talking about, ashes NEVER got clairvoyance. Jazriel, I'll tell you why it's bad tommorow unless some other good player explains it. It's hard for me to type on my iPod. I'm glad you read so much into things. Pre-season 1 I've seen a lot of Ashe go ghost+cleanse. (Pre cleanse nerf) However, I said Ashes used to get clair. I didn't say always, I didn't say mostly. I was responding to what was relevant. It happened. Maybe you never saw an Ashe with clair, but I have seen a handful. As you probably know, being a top ELO player, Ashe is the most played champion pre-season 1. Statistically she boasts around 5% usage. I'm sure there is a portion of that which attributes from people who just came from the tutorial and wanted to try Ashe, but how many of you actually mained Ashe first because she was in the tutorial? Not anybody I know of. My point is there was variety. There have been good Ashe with ghost+cleanse, and there have been bad Ashe with ghost+cleanse. Likewise with clair. If you didn't see any good Ashe with clair, you didn't play enough. So obviously you aren't talking about ALL Ashes. Maybe you have this preconceived notion that all Ashes who had clair were bad. And, additionally, you want to criticize me for saying something that is true, indirectly call me a bad player without knowing anything about me, then tell someone you'll explain something that is seemingly simple tomorrow incase no one that you deem a "good player" answers it. If you need a "good player" to explain something so simple, why ghost/flash is the optimal decision for most carries now, and why someone who basically has a built in clair to not get clair, then I guess we are all pretty much great players here. Hopefully you'll make a new rendition of what a good player is because I met the qualification for the last one, but clearly I don't meet the qualification to speak about Ashe and clair. Excited to see an update so everyone here can conform so we don't look too dumb on this thread! Would hate to upset you. I give up. I was just trying to help and then Jazriel gets banned and you get mad. Not cool guys. Yeah I'm sorry. Next time someone insults me I'll just keep my mouth shut. If you don't want people to get mad maybe you can try to not treat them like shit.
I agree with keeping mouth shut when somone insults you (or taking it to PM), but I also agree with Hazmat being on a higher tier of advice-giving than almost everyone in this thread. The reason he posts the way he does is every other page someone who's "mid-high Elo" makes horrible advice because it works at their Elo so they think it works always.
I'm not saying anything about you or Jazriel heck, i didn't even read either of your posts. Just trying to show a different point of view.
Whenever I give overarching advice that isn't just copy/pasted from someone I know is good I try to remember to disclaimer it that I'm ~1200 Elo so people that want to do better will not take it as bible for a character they haven't played yet.
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