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lol it's ok barbs I went down to 1100 recently from 1500 too.. it probably had more to do to the fact that I trolled quite a bit.. it's funny how mad people get at you just for the champion you select. :D
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So i just bought amumu and i am trying to jungle with it, its shithard though. I think partially because I am level 8 and have very few mastery points/runes. Any tips/anything from anyone?
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I play jungle amumu, but I have no idea how I would fare without runes and masteries. I'd suggest you play laning amumu until you've got some runes.
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On September 23 2010 17:20 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 08:27 ghen wrote:http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=39737Yohachhin's jungle tier list Tier 1: Olaf, Rammus, Udyr, Amumu, Akali, Warwick, Nunu Tier 2: Shaco, Fiddlesticks, Xin Zhao, Sona, Gragas, Nasus, Master Yi, Tryndamere, Shen Tier 3: Mordekaiser, Malphite, Sion, Pantheon, Cho'gath, Kayle, Karthus, Poppy, Ezreal, Jax, Singed, Morgana Tier 4: Mundo, Evelyn, Heimerdinger, Janna, Twitch, Urgot, Miss Fortune, Vladimir, Kog'maw, Kennen, Annie Not viable for jungling: Garen, Ryze, Blitzcrank, Corki, Anivia, Galio, Zilean, Veigar, Tristana, Teemo, Nidalee, Katarina, Kassadin, Gangplank, Ashe, Taric, Soraka, Malzahar + Show Spoiler +T1: These champions have to jungle...they can jungle really fast due to their attacks, but they also have alot of survivability and abilities to gank. With the buffs on the map they can simply do everything, spam, farm, push. With smite they can easily kill the dragon early and farm it often. T2: Same as T1 but mostly these champions have a little bit less survivability or damage or gankability. All around recommended for jungling. T3: These champion proved to do good in jungling, but aren't really recommended, just if a single lane really is needed. They have the needed abilities but they need a little bit more skill to be jungled. T4: These champions have the ability to jungle, not as well as the T1-T3 champs but mostly they will suceed, these champions lack of killing the dragon but are still able to kill the golems and lizards alot of times. These champions aren't able to reach level 6 as fast as other champions but still they are able to keep up with the double lane. + Show Spoiler +Smite is welcome in most cases and therefore it is recommended to use it.
Here is the jungler summoner spells tier list (as secondary spell):
1:
Exhaust, Ghost
2:
Flash, Ignite
3:
Ralley, Heal
depending on endgame people may use teleport/clarity
start to discuse guys
also ADDED: this list is mostly my opinion about jungling, some champions are better at laning which gives them lesser points...champions who really can jungle and do it better than laning like warwick and udyr are positioned high therefore...
people use some champ frequently for the jungle which makes him put higher...
these are points which i count in...as for example why olaf isnt tier 1 is just becouse 5 champions at tier one are good each other but olaf is just 1% worser than the others which makes him put down...still he is "leading" tier 2 which makes his role as "big daddy" of the common jungler...
i like to hear other opinions...but mostly this reflects my opinion + viability and competivity...
this can be updated daily...weekly...we will see
Change log:
-Morgana moved down in tier 3
-Poppy moved down in tier 3
-Mordekaiser moved up to tier 3
-Nunu moved to tier 1
-Olaf moved to top of tier 1
-Twitch moved to tier 4
-Ashe moved to not viable Taric not viable? I thought he was ok-ish, especially since his ganks aren't too bad with that 5 hour stun. Sure he's better on a lane, but not viable? Game over by time you finish your first cycle
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On September 23 2010 19:16 mikku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 17:20 spinesheath wrote:On September 23 2010 08:27 ghen wrote:http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=39737Yohachhin's jungle tier list Tier 1: Olaf, Rammus, Udyr, Amumu, Akali, Warwick, Nunu Tier 2: Shaco, Fiddlesticks, Xin Zhao, Sona, Gragas, Nasus, Master Yi, Tryndamere, Shen Tier 3: Mordekaiser, Malphite, Sion, Pantheon, Cho'gath, Kayle, Karthus, Poppy, Ezreal, Jax, Singed, Morgana Tier 4: Mundo, Evelyn, Heimerdinger, Janna, Twitch, Urgot, Miss Fortune, Vladimir, Kog'maw, Kennen, Annie Not viable for jungling: Garen, Ryze, Blitzcrank, Corki, Anivia, Galio, Zilean, Veigar, Tristana, Teemo, Nidalee, Katarina, Kassadin, Gangplank, Ashe, Taric, Soraka, Malzahar + Show Spoiler +T1: These champions have to jungle...they can jungle really fast due to their attacks, but they also have alot of survivability and abilities to gank. With the buffs on the map they can simply do everything, spam, farm, push. With smite they can easily kill the dragon early and farm it often. T2: Same as T1 but mostly these champions have a little bit less survivability or damage or gankability. All around recommended for jungling. T3: These champion proved to do good in jungling, but aren't really recommended, just if a single lane really is needed. They have the needed abilities but they need a little bit more skill to be jungled. T4: These champions have the ability to jungle, not as well as the T1-T3 champs but mostly they will suceed, these champions lack of killing the dragon but are still able to kill the golems and lizards alot of times. These champions aren't able to reach level 6 as fast as other champions but still they are able to keep up with the double lane. + Show Spoiler +Smite is welcome in most cases and therefore it is recommended to use it.
Here is the jungler summoner spells tier list (as secondary spell):
1:
Exhaust, Ghost
2:
Flash, Ignite
3:
Ralley, Heal
depending on endgame people may use teleport/clarity
start to discuse guys
also ADDED: this list is mostly my opinion about jungling, some champions are better at laning which gives them lesser points...champions who really can jungle and do it better than laning like warwick and udyr are positioned high therefore...
people use some champ frequently for the jungle which makes him put higher...
these are points which i count in...as for example why olaf isnt tier 1 is just becouse 5 champions at tier one are good each other but olaf is just 1% worser than the others which makes him put down...still he is "leading" tier 2 which makes his role as "big daddy" of the common jungler...
i like to hear other opinions...but mostly this reflects my opinion + viability and competivity...
this can be updated daily...weekly...we will see
Change log:
-Morgana moved down in tier 3
-Poppy moved down in tier 3
-Mordekaiser moved up to tier 3
-Nunu moved to tier 1
-Olaf moved to top of tier 1
-Twitch moved to tier 4
-Ashe moved to not viable Taric not viable? I thought he was ok-ish, especially since his ganks aren't too bad with that 5 hour stun. Sure he's better on a lane, but not viable? Game over by time you finish your first cycle
Well I have never seen him jungle but I remember someone here said that he did somewhat decently. From that I would at least put him in T4, but of course I lack any supporting data :p
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On September 23 2010 19:19 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 19:16 mikku wrote:On September 23 2010 17:20 spinesheath wrote:On September 23 2010 08:27 ghen wrote:http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=39737Yohachhin's jungle tier list Tier 1: Olaf, Rammus, Udyr, Amumu, Akali, Warwick, Nunu Tier 2: Shaco, Fiddlesticks, Xin Zhao, Sona, Gragas, Nasus, Master Yi, Tryndamere, Shen Tier 3: Mordekaiser, Malphite, Sion, Pantheon, Cho'gath, Kayle, Karthus, Poppy, Ezreal, Jax, Singed, Morgana Tier 4: Mundo, Evelyn, Heimerdinger, Janna, Twitch, Urgot, Miss Fortune, Vladimir, Kog'maw, Kennen, Annie Not viable for jungling: Garen, Ryze, Blitzcrank, Corki, Anivia, Galio, Zilean, Veigar, Tristana, Teemo, Nidalee, Katarina, Kassadin, Gangplank, Ashe, Taric, Soraka, Malzahar + Show Spoiler +T1: These champions have to jungle...they can jungle really fast due to their attacks, but they also have alot of survivability and abilities to gank. With the buffs on the map they can simply do everything, spam, farm, push. With smite they can easily kill the dragon early and farm it often. T2: Same as T1 but mostly these champions have a little bit less survivability or damage or gankability. All around recommended for jungling. T3: These champion proved to do good in jungling, but aren't really recommended, just if a single lane really is needed. They have the needed abilities but they need a little bit more skill to be jungled. T4: These champions have the ability to jungle, not as well as the T1-T3 champs but mostly they will suceed, these champions lack of killing the dragon but are still able to kill the golems and lizards alot of times. These champions aren't able to reach level 6 as fast as other champions but still they are able to keep up with the double lane. + Show Spoiler +Smite is welcome in most cases and therefore it is recommended to use it.
Here is the jungler summoner spells tier list (as secondary spell):
1:
Exhaust, Ghost
2:
Flash, Ignite
3:
Ralley, Heal
depending on endgame people may use teleport/clarity
start to discuse guys
also ADDED: this list is mostly my opinion about jungling, some champions are better at laning which gives them lesser points...champions who really can jungle and do it better than laning like warwick and udyr are positioned high therefore...
people use some champ frequently for the jungle which makes him put higher...
these are points which i count in...as for example why olaf isnt tier 1 is just becouse 5 champions at tier one are good each other but olaf is just 1% worser than the others which makes him put down...still he is "leading" tier 2 which makes his role as "big daddy" of the common jungler...
i like to hear other opinions...but mostly this reflects my opinion + viability and competivity...
this can be updated daily...weekly...we will see
Change log:
-Morgana moved down in tier 3
-Poppy moved down in tier 3
-Mordekaiser moved up to tier 3
-Nunu moved to tier 1
-Olaf moved to top of tier 1
-Twitch moved to tier 4
-Ashe moved to not viable Taric not viable? I thought he was ok-ish, especially since his ganks aren't too bad with that 5 hour stun. Sure he's better on a lane, but not viable? Game over by time you finish your first cycle Well I have never seen him jungle but I remember someone here said that he did somewhat decently. From that I would at least put him in T4, but of course I lack any supporting data :p
iirc, he lands somewhere in the shen or eve speed of jungling (but doesnt have the mobility that these do). not to mention hes such a powerhouse in lane that more often than not you're gonna want to lane vs jungling. Only reason to jungle him is if you want a fairly fast dragon (person who posted had something like 4min or 4:20-30 min dragon?)
also, required reading imo, dunno if it has been posted already (probably has, its old, but could use 1st page status anyways), i thot it was great
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=71443
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On September 23 2010 18:30 Earll wrote:
So i just bought amumu and i am trying to jungle with it, its shithard though. I think partially because I am level 8 and have very few mastery points/runes. Any tips/anything from anyone?
Check the guide linked on the first page. You really need defensive masteries and basically chug health pots. Its definitely do or die. I don't think you will be able to jungle fast enough without the right setup to be worthwhile. Should be able to get away with laning him at ur lvl.
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On September 23 2010 20:01 Khul Sadukar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 18:30 Earll wrote:
So i just bought amumu and i am trying to jungle with it, its shithard though. I think partially because I am level 8 and have very few mastery points/runes. Any tips/anything from anyone? Check the guide linked on the first page. You really need defensive masteries and basically chug health pots. Its definitely do or die. I don't think you will be able to jungle fast enough without the right setup to be worthwhile. Should be able to get away with laning him at ur lvl.
ya kno what, this is something that has been bugging me for some time. Im gonna do some practice games right now and do jungle mummy with 0 masteries and 0 runes.
edit: T.T nvm, practice games require 4 ppl so i cant do it now. ill report back when ive got the chance.
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On September 23 2010 20:04 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 20:01 Khul Sadukar wrote:On September 23 2010 18:30 Earll wrote:
So i just bought amumu and i am trying to jungle with it, its shithard though. I think partially because I am level 8 and have very few mastery points/runes. Any tips/anything from anyone? Check the guide linked on the first page. You really need defensive masteries and basically chug health pots. Its definitely do or die. I don't think you will be able to jungle fast enough without the right setup to be worthwhile. Should be able to get away with laning him at ur lvl. ya kno what, this is something that has been bugging me for some time. Im gonna do some practice games right now and do jungle mummy with 0 masteries and 0 runes. edit: T.T nvm, practice games require 4 ppl so i cant do it now. ill report back when ive got the chance.
just join a random practice game playing against bots, can do whatever you want there people wont bother you xd
Also, does anyone know where the file thingy is that i can download that possibly might fix my ability to join liquidparty?
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On September 23 2010 19:56 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 19:19 spinesheath wrote:On September 23 2010 19:16 mikku wrote:On September 23 2010 17:20 spinesheath wrote:On September 23 2010 08:27 ghen wrote:http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=39737Yohachhin's jungle tier list Tier 1: Olaf, Rammus, Udyr, Amumu, Akali, Warwick, Nunu Tier 2: Shaco, Fiddlesticks, Xin Zhao, Sona, Gragas, Nasus, Master Yi, Tryndamere, Shen Tier 3: Mordekaiser, Malphite, Sion, Pantheon, Cho'gath, Kayle, Karthus, Poppy, Ezreal, Jax, Singed, Morgana Tier 4: Mundo, Evelyn, Heimerdinger, Janna, Twitch, Urgot, Miss Fortune, Vladimir, Kog'maw, Kennen, Annie Not viable for jungling: Garen, Ryze, Blitzcrank, Corki, Anivia, Galio, Zilean, Veigar, Tristana, Teemo, Nidalee, Katarina, Kassadin, Gangplank, Ashe, Taric, Soraka, Malzahar + Show Spoiler +T1: These champions have to jungle...they can jungle really fast due to their attacks, but they also have alot of survivability and abilities to gank. With the buffs on the map they can simply do everything, spam, farm, push. With smite they can easily kill the dragon early and farm it often. T2: Same as T1 but mostly these champions have a little bit less survivability or damage or gankability. All around recommended for jungling. T3: These champion proved to do good in jungling, but aren't really recommended, just if a single lane really is needed. They have the needed abilities but they need a little bit more skill to be jungled. T4: These champions have the ability to jungle, not as well as the T1-T3 champs but mostly they will suceed, these champions lack of killing the dragon but are still able to kill the golems and lizards alot of times. These champions aren't able to reach level 6 as fast as other champions but still they are able to keep up with the double lane. + Show Spoiler +Smite is welcome in most cases and therefore it is recommended to use it.
Here is the jungler summoner spells tier list (as secondary spell):
1:
Exhaust, Ghost
2:
Flash, Ignite
3:
Ralley, Heal
depending on endgame people may use teleport/clarity
start to discuse guys
also ADDED: this list is mostly my opinion about jungling, some champions are better at laning which gives them lesser points...champions who really can jungle and do it better than laning like warwick and udyr are positioned high therefore...
people use some champ frequently for the jungle which makes him put higher...
these are points which i count in...as for example why olaf isnt tier 1 is just becouse 5 champions at tier one are good each other but olaf is just 1% worser than the others which makes him put down...still he is "leading" tier 2 which makes his role as "big daddy" of the common jungler...
i like to hear other opinions...but mostly this reflects my opinion + viability and competivity...
this can be updated daily...weekly...we will see
Change log:
-Morgana moved down in tier 3
-Poppy moved down in tier 3
-Mordekaiser moved up to tier 3
-Nunu moved to tier 1
-Olaf moved to top of tier 1
-Twitch moved to tier 4
-Ashe moved to not viable Taric not viable? I thought he was ok-ish, especially since his ganks aren't too bad with that 5 hour stun. Sure he's better on a lane, but not viable? Game over by time you finish your first cycle Well I have never seen him jungle but I remember someone here said that he did somewhat decently. From that I would at least put him in T4, but of course I lack any supporting data :p iirc, he lands somewhere in the shen or eve speed of jungling (but doesnt have the mobility that these do). not to mention hes such a powerhouse in lane that more often than not you're gonna want to lane vs jungling. Only reason to jungle him is if you want a fairly fast dragon (person who posted had something like 4min or 4:20-30 min dragon?) also, required reading imo, dunno if it has been posted already (probably has, its old, but could use 1st page status anyways), i thot it was great http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=71443
You need some god **** CC. CC = Crowd Control. We're talking things that make the enemy hero sit down and shut up. Stuns, silence, slow, movement effects, knock-up, knock-around, pull, throw. If you walk into a teamfight and Kat is sitting there spinning out being a skank, you need someone to throw a stun on her ass to shut her up. Same goes for Nunu. Hell, if you can spot fiddle charging up his ult and land a grab on him with blitz, you can turn his triple kill into a face full of lightning fist. Go ahead and try playing a game without any CC. See how it feels. See how much you want some lube after. As a rule, I like to have at least two ways to stop channeling on any given team, four is better, five gives me a ******. The more the merrier, if you're coordinated with it. Landing three different stuns on the same carry at the same time however, is kind of a waste. But I digress: Get stuns. Get blinds, and ****ing silences, and all that good ****.
EG: Sion, Teemo, Alistar, Blitzcrank, Teemo
Spot the oddity.
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Wait wait wait wait
Mundo is just as fast jungling as udyr, what is wrong with that list oO?
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Been saving up for malzahar for quite a while now, but having second thoughts after trying kassadar..any thoughts? :>
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Lol that post was interesting but he seems to heavily favour like 5 champs only lol.
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On September 23 2010 21:43 Senx wrote:
Been saving up for malzahar for quite a while now, but having second thoughts after trying kassadar..any thoughts? :>
i think u mixed up tassadar and kassdin there :D
i found malzahar fun for some games here and there, but i think the general thinking is that he isnt viable for ranked play^^
i actually never tried kassadin, i think i have to do that once :D
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On September 23 2010 21:50 audeo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 21:43 Senx wrote:
Been saving up for malzahar for quite a while now, but having second thoughts after trying kassadar..any thoughts? :> i think u mixed up tassadar and kassdin there :D i found malzahar fun for some games here and there, but i think the general thinking is that he isnt viable for ranked play^^ i actually never tried kassadin, i think i have to do that once :D
I just love being able to spam kassadins (sp) ult and teleport left and right, to engage, to escape, to catch up with ppl etc. He does seem more versitile than malzahar who seems more like a dps bot, and even so kassadin just eats squishies for breakfast :> His E spell is fucking nasty dps+slow once you get some AP
Im really just looking for that one caster type with a bit of CC and good dps, I enjoy those types of heroes the most 
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On September 23 2010 21:43 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Lol that post was interesting but he seems to heavily favour like 5 champs only lol.
it is a bit old, so the individual champ data may/may not be out of date, but a lot of the overarching ideas are solid. hes a funny poster in general tho, very amusing to read at the least 
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On September 23 2010 21:53 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 21:50 audeo wrote:On September 23 2010 21:43 Senx wrote:
Been saving up for malzahar for quite a while now, but having second thoughts after trying kassadar..any thoughts? :> i think u mixed up tassadar and kassdin there :D i found malzahar fun for some games here and there, but i think the general thinking is that he isnt viable for ranked play^^ i actually never tried kassadin, i think i have to do that once :D I just love being able to spam kassadins (sp) ult and teleport left and right, to engage, to escape, to catch up with ppl etc. He does seem more versitile than malzahar who seems more like a dps bot, and even so kassadin just eats squishies for breakfast :> His E spell is fucking nasty dps+slow once you get some AP Im really just looking for that one caster type with a bit of CC and good dps, I enjoy those types of heroes the most
lol, all casters = cc + burst dps dmg (via ap)
annie, fiddle, veigar, malz, anivia, kass, etc all fall under a pretty standard 'caster' setup, tho malz is the furthest off the beaten path imo (most casters will have more straight up burst and more reliable cc than he does). I dont play a lot of casters tho, so i wouldnt really be able to give you more than generalizations on how to play them. There are also some off 'casters' in the sense that they scale well off of ap and have good burst/cc, but dont fall under the 'caster' stereotype, being heroes like poppy and sion.
Surprisingly tho, of all the caster types, ive found veigar the most amusing to play, its quite easy to farm up that ap, and if any1 else on the enemy team is going ap, your ult shreds them like no other. I played a game where i could actually instakill a nidalee with one combo.
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On September 23 2010 22:56 craaaaack wrote:my guide to playing garen: + Show Spoiler +
You cant be doing much, QWER are on the other side of the keyboard
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