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Trok67
Profile Joined May 2010
France384 Posts
June 24 2010 04:53 GMT
#1941
I am a big fan of Veigar and was waiting for a big buff to play him again. I am not sure if it will be enough and if it will really change something but we'll see

I have a little doubt about the :
# Adjusted the way bonus ability power is granted.
They are not really very clear about that.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 24 2010 04:59 GMT
#1942
I got enough points to buy warwick! woohoo
so tommorrow i get to play him for the first time lol
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
June 24 2010 05:44 GMT
#1943
On June 24 2010 07:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 03:53 Southlight wrote:
Kennen is just monstrous in laning, regardless of what sort composition, to be honest. If the player's good he can dominate a 1v2 lane by actually out-damaging the opponent (unless they have Soraka, but most 1v2s get shafted by Soraka). He's also a very strong 2v2 laner because he brings a lot of damage and CC. As said, the problem is that he's like Fiddle, except without the teleport from out of the blue. Everyone knows he's coming, and has ample time to deal with him, and he takes ~3-4 seconds for his damage/CC to start sinking in. You just can't catch people by surprise with a Kennen.

Fiddle's problem is that when he falls behind it's really hard to come back into the game without serious team support. Kennen can at least push lanes really fast and get away with it.

Do you guys remember about 1-2 months ago when I said "Kennen is great, he's got Fiddle's ult with no channel and a stun at the end" and everyone flamed me for it?

Or when I was like "Yi is viable again" and everyone was like "stfu noob"?
as Brees mentioned, those two statements are still wrong. dunno what you're bringing it back up for. yi isn't shit tier anymore but isn't a truly "viable" character anymore (i dodge most yi's unless i know who they are). kennen... isn't fiddle. he really isn't.

to gtrsrs: i actually don't know shit about how to build tanks. gotta ask someone else for that information. i've seen good shens built a variety of ways (randuins rushing, sunfire stacking, aegis/normal build) but shen is one of the few tanks that can get a shitload of kills and still really tank. it's not surprising to see a good shen go 10-0 or some crazy record. i like good shens .

On June 24 2010 11:09 sleeepy wrote:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=143928
- ashe volley doesn't slow anymore? hawkshot still seems like a low priority situational skill
- AP ezreal is totally changed now
- garen bug sounds hilarious, wish they'd just kept it in lol
- GP buff is meh but then again he's not as bad as most people think
- they still won't fix janna ult wtf, stop worrying about particles
- kayle will still be broken, 4 damage difference and slight heal nerf won't fix her
- we can now stop asking the ridiculous "who had cleanse again" question

regardless, overall good patch imo
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
June 24 2010 06:45 GMT
#1944
On June 24 2010 13:59 travis wrote:
I got enough points to buy warwick! woohoo
so tommorrow i get to play him for the first time lol

Best points you'll ever spend in your life =).
eaT_Mi_Lquid
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-24 06:57:40
June 24 2010 06:54 GMT
#1945
On June whatever time: redtooth wrote:
how can you be more mobile then a jungler? it's not about movespeed bro. it's about map control and kennen's waaaay inferior in that department since he's gotta lane. and can you really say kennen is a better ganker then a fiddle with double buff, silence-the-flash-raper, and FEAR? or the lvl 6 crucifix-into-CAWCAWCAWCAW?


As the word suggest, "mobility" is for sure related to move speed. By your definition, every Jungler is mobile, but that only applies to laning phase ... . In my previous post, i said that Kennen's strong point is mid-game, where laning phase is over and people gank/roam, and at this stage movement speed is crucial for mobility. I guess we are talking about different things...

And yeah, Fiddle's dmg. output is higher, but his ganking ability is reliant on bushes/surprise effect. With Kennen you can pull ganks much easier. Every competent team who plays vs jungle fiddle will have some wards at the river, which makes it for Fiddle even harder to pull off his Ult than with Kennen etc.. Therefore whether Kennen or Fiddle is better for ganking, is up to your taste. It depends on your style and skill. Both are viable gankers though.

also your opinion's invalid because you're puff


Hehe, your opinion is invalid because I don't even know your in-game nick.
League of Legends: Puffelipuff
nennx
Profile Joined April 2010
United States310 Posts
June 24 2010 07:02 GMT
#1946
On June 24 2010 11:58 oberon wrote:

Show nested quote +
Ashe
Frost Shot no longer stacks with Volley
Enchanted Crystal Arrow
* Fixed a bug where it was slowing for too long at ranks 2 and 3
* Fixed a bug where it was stunning for more than the maximum stun duration
* Increased the distance required to get a maximum duration stun



So, about Ashe. No longer playable?



With the change to her E, she'll be more playable than ever
Sup
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
June 24 2010 07:08 GMT
#1947
On June 24 2010 14:44 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 07:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On June 24 2010 03:53 Southlight wrote:
Kennen is just monstrous in laning, regardless of what sort composition, to be honest. If the player's good he can dominate a 1v2 lane by actually out-damaging the opponent (unless they have Soraka, but most 1v2s get shafted by Soraka). He's also a very strong 2v2 laner because he brings a lot of damage and CC. As said, the problem is that he's like Fiddle, except without the teleport from out of the blue. Everyone knows he's coming, and has ample time to deal with him, and he takes ~3-4 seconds for his damage/CC to start sinking in. You just can't catch people by surprise with a Kennen.

Fiddle's problem is that when he falls behind it's really hard to come back into the game without serious team support. Kennen can at least push lanes really fast and get away with it.

Do you guys remember about 1-2 months ago when I said "Kennen is great, he's got Fiddle's ult with no channel and a stun at the end" and everyone flamed me for it?

Or when I was like "Yi is viable again" and everyone was like "stfu noob"?
as Brees mentioned, those two statements are still wrong. dunno what you're bringing it back up for. yi isn't shit tier anymore but isn't a truly "viable" character anymore (i dodge most yi's unless i know who they are). kennen... isn't fiddle. he really isn't.

to gtrsrs: i actually don't know shit about how to build tanks. gotta ask someone else for that information. i've seen good shens built a variety of ways (randuins rushing, sunfire stacking, aegis/normal build) but shen is one of the few tanks that can get a shitload of kills and still really tank. it's not surprising to see a good shen go 10-0 or some crazy record. i like good shens .

Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 11:09 sleeepy wrote:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=143928
- ashe volley doesn't slow anymore? hawkshot still seems like a low priority situational skill
- AP ezreal is totally changed now
- garen bug sounds hilarious, wish they'd just kept it in lol
- GP buff is meh but then again he's not as bad as most people think
- they still won't fix janna ult wtf, stop worrying about particles
- kayle will still be broken, 4 damage difference and slight heal nerf won't fix her
- we can now stop asking the ridiculous "who had cleanse again" question

regardless, overall good patch imo



Lets get something clear, before this patch, if you are using ashe and you Q them, it will apply Q's appropriate slow, then if you volley them right after, it would apply Q's level of slow AGAIN, this means that at ashe is basically able to slow you by 60% by frost shot+ volley.

What this patch did was to make volley not stack with Q, this means that if you Q shot them, they will be slowed, if you volley them, they wont be more slowed, but if they didnt have Q slow them, volley will still slow them. Overall, it seems to me that this is actually a buff in disguise, in exchange for 2 arrows and 30% slow, what you get is

1) Higher volley damage=more harassment
2) an mobile clairvoyance which is huge in terms of an anti-gank, and ganking, its a moving sight ward
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 24 2010 07:16 GMT
#1948
On June 24 2010 16:08 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 14:44 redtooth wrote:
On June 24 2010 07:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On June 24 2010 03:53 Southlight wrote:
Kennen is just monstrous in laning, regardless of what sort composition, to be honest. If the player's good he can dominate a 1v2 lane by actually out-damaging the opponent (unless they have Soraka, but most 1v2s get shafted by Soraka). He's also a very strong 2v2 laner because he brings a lot of damage and CC. As said, the problem is that he's like Fiddle, except without the teleport from out of the blue. Everyone knows he's coming, and has ample time to deal with him, and he takes ~3-4 seconds for his damage/CC to start sinking in. You just can't catch people by surprise with a Kennen.

Fiddle's problem is that when he falls behind it's really hard to come back into the game without serious team support. Kennen can at least push lanes really fast and get away with it.

Do you guys remember about 1-2 months ago when I said "Kennen is great, he's got Fiddle's ult with no channel and a stun at the end" and everyone flamed me for it?

Or when I was like "Yi is viable again" and everyone was like "stfu noob"?
as Brees mentioned, those two statements are still wrong. dunno what you're bringing it back up for. yi isn't shit tier anymore but isn't a truly "viable" character anymore (i dodge most yi's unless i know who they are). kennen... isn't fiddle. he really isn't.

to gtrsrs: i actually don't know shit about how to build tanks. gotta ask someone else for that information. i've seen good shens built a variety of ways (randuins rushing, sunfire stacking, aegis/normal build) but shen is one of the few tanks that can get a shitload of kills and still really tank. it's not surprising to see a good shen go 10-0 or some crazy record. i like good shens .

On June 24 2010 11:09 sleeepy wrote:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=143928
- ashe volley doesn't slow anymore? hawkshot still seems like a low priority situational skill
- AP ezreal is totally changed now
- garen bug sounds hilarious, wish they'd just kept it in lol
- GP buff is meh but then again he's not as bad as most people think
- they still won't fix janna ult wtf, stop worrying about particles
- kayle will still be broken, 4 damage difference and slight heal nerf won't fix her
- we can now stop asking the ridiculous "who had cleanse again" question

regardless, overall good patch imo



Lets get something clear, before this patch, if you are using ashe and you Q them, it will apply Q's appropriate slow, then if you volley them right after, it would apply Q's level of slow AGAIN, this means that at ashe is basically able to slow you by 60% by frost shot+ volley.

What this patch did was to make volley not stack with Q, this means that if you Q shot them, they will be slowed, if you volley them, they wont be more slowed, but if they didnt have Q slow them, volley will still slow them. Overall, it seems to me that this is actually a buff in disguise, in exchange for 2 arrows and 30% slow, what you get is

1) Higher volley damage=more harassment
2) an mobile clairvoyance which is huge in terms of an anti-gank, and ganking, its a moving sight ward

dun know what ever anyone said, im just gona WE and stay mid until lv12... sight from E make 99% reported child missing situation will be avoidable.... >:D late game heavy DPS ashes =)
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
June 24 2010 07:19 GMT
#1949
how far does the hawk go. would be kind of cool if it was controllable with alt?
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 24 2010 07:26 GMT
#1950
worst night of lol in a long time for me

\gives up
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 24 2010 07:32 GMT
#1951
Servers shut down, I don't get my daily bonus :/
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 24 2010 07:51 GMT
#1952
On June 24 2010 14:44 redtooth wrote:
to gtrsrs: i actually don't know shit about how to build tanks. gotta ask someone else for that information. i've seen good shens built a variety of ways (randuins rushing, sunfire stacking, aegis/normal build) but shen is one of the few tanks that can get a shitload of kills and still really tank. it's not surprising to see a good shen go 10-0 or some crazy record. i like good shens .


alrighty
i'm going to have to say i'm the best shen i've ever seen so maybe we can play some day
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 24 2010 07:52 GMT
#1953
On June 24 2010 11:58 oberon wrote:

Show nested quote +
Ashe
Frost Shot no longer stacks with Volley
Enchanted Crystal Arrow
* Fixed a bug where it was slowing for too long at ranks 2 and 3
* Fixed a bug where it was stunning for more than the maximum stun duration
* Increased the distance required to get a maximum duration stun



So, about Ashe. No longer playable?



What the hell, they buffed her, how can you even begin to think she got unplayable all of a sudden?
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-24 08:09:34
June 24 2010 07:52 GMT
#1954
On June 24 2010 13:59 travis wrote:
I got enough points to buy warwick! woohoo
so tommorrow i get to play him for the first time lol


Have fun!
Just dont get meni pendant (mana regen whatevr its called) first like the nub I ran into last night. WW ult on an enemy ww that just ulted on ur teammate is soo much fun :D

Incidentally theres a suburb called Warwick Farm here. Nvr found that funny till now..
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-24 07:56:48
June 24 2010 07:54 GMT
#1955
On June 24 2010 16:26 Mogwai wrote:
worst night of lol in a long time for me

\gives up


http://www.lolbase.net/matches/view/US25621098

Salvaged my night, barely >_o

Edit:
By barely, I mean 35 minutes into the game

"I haven't teamfought with Twitch in over 15 minutes" -Amumu
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
June 24 2010 08:01 GMT
#1956
On June 24 2010 14:44 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 07:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On June 24 2010 03:53 Southlight wrote:
Kennen is just monstrous in laning, regardless of what sort composition, to be honest. If the player's good he can dominate a 1v2 lane by actually out-damaging the opponent (unless they have Soraka, but most 1v2s get shafted by Soraka). He's also a very strong 2v2 laner because he brings a lot of damage and CC. As said, the problem is that he's like Fiddle, except without the teleport from out of the blue. Everyone knows he's coming, and has ample time to deal with him, and he takes ~3-4 seconds for his damage/CC to start sinking in. You just can't catch people by surprise with a Kennen.

Fiddle's problem is that when he falls behind it's really hard to come back into the game without serious team support. Kennen can at least push lanes really fast and get away with it.

Do you guys remember about 1-2 months ago when I said "Kennen is great, he's got Fiddle's ult with no channel and a stun at the end" and everyone flamed me for it?

Or when I was like "Yi is viable again" and everyone was like "stfu noob"?
as Brees mentioned, those two statements are still wrong. dunno what you're bringing it back up for. yi isn't shit tier anymore but isn't a truly "viable" character anymore (i dodge most yi's unless i know who they are). kennen... isn't fiddle. he really isn't.

I was just poking fun, you don't have to tryhard vs me in all your posts rofl.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51694 Posts
June 24 2010 08:04 GMT
#1957
why server down again? new patch?
Commentator
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
June 24 2010 08:10 GMT
#1958
yes putting in the new patch, get ready for kogmaw every game.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-24 08:23:41
June 24 2010 08:23 GMT
#1959
An enlightened post on the topic of the Veigar rework:

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bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
June 24 2010 08:27 GMT
#1960
On June 24 2010 11:49 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 10:36 Southlight wrote:
On June 24 2010 09:26 HazMat wrote:
On June 24 2010 09:20 Repok wrote:
you should be fear + dark wind not drain.

umm.... i'm jungling, of course im going drain.


Even with jungle you're supposed to not level drain. At most you get level 2, but you should really make do without.


This isn't 100% true. If your 1v2 is doing well, and your opponents don't seem interested in stopping you, you can go drain, do golem (level 2 -> crow), do small camp, do other side small camp (level 3 -> drain), lizard, enemy golem, then go around killing small camps/wraiths until you hit L5, taking L3 drain and L1 fear on the way. With L3 drain you can slowly but easily solo dragon, jungle to six, back to buy, then go ganking.

The major decision points are the second and third levels of drain. The more often your opponents go MIA, and the more trouble your 1v2 lane is having, the less likely each subsequent point is a good idea. Still, if this goes well (i.e. open tome, get dragon at L5, back to buy mejai, score double-gank with storm for 4 stacks) it can almost win the game on its own. I haven't counted, but I'd say I end up with level 1 drain 1/2 of the time, level 2 drain 1/3 of the time, and level 3 drain 1/6 of the time, approximately.


No, leveling drain is worthless. Half of Fiddle's utility comes from silence and fear; the other half being massive AoE. Even with level 3 drain, it takes a fckton long time to solo dragon and if your opponents aren't catching you doing it then they're baddies. If you're doing it quicker because teammates help then clearly you didn't need to level drain to begin with. I don't know how you'd play fiddle with a level 2 dark wind/ level 1 fear at level 7. (If you're committed to doing solo dragon, and you have 2+ mejai stacks, just buy a blue pot)
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