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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 15 2010 15:37 GMT
#18201
ehhhhhhh, w/e

so I played Corki a bunch on my smurf last night and holy fucking shit, he's pretty much the best character ever, it's crazy. so much damage......
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
September 15 2010 15:42 GMT
#18202
On September 16 2010 00:37 Mogwai wrote:
ehhhhhhh, w/e

so I played Corki a bunch on my smurf last night and holy fucking shit, he's pretty much the best character ever, it's crazy. so much damage......

hes hilarrious when you get farmed, and for midgame before you're really farmed as long as you have lizard you're still awesome
10% true damage ftw!
You can't milk those!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 15 2010 15:44 GMT
#18203
my build was so pro:

meki
boots
manamune
sheen
zerker greaves
trinity force
banshee's veil
Atma's Impaler
Infinity Edge
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 15 2010 15:45 GMT
#18204
On September 16 2010 00:22 Mogwai wrote:
you probably shouldn't do that because then people will see SmashGizmo isn't interested and they'll wanna be involved.

fixd
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 15 2010 15:45 GMT
#18205
On September 15 2010 23:21 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 22:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On September 15 2010 20:10 Scamp wrote:
On September 15 2010 19:32 HeavOnEarth wrote:
On September 15 2010 18:39 emucxg wrote:
What runes are best for jungle warwick?

no clue
i use attack speed quints/marks
cdr blue
flat armor ylw


That's pretty much the best build IMO. You can use dodge runes instead of armor if you want. There really aren't any good blue runes for him but you can also run attack speed on those if you choose. Nothing wrong with CDR though.

Flat CDR helps jungling a TON on WW and it really makes ganking better because your ult is up more often. I run cdr/lv on my warwick but that's because I don't have infinite IP.


The more I play with them, the more I'm thinking flat CDR runes are vastly overrated. This is all math.

Say, you do 100 damage per second with your abilities. First 5% CDR will give you roughly a 5% bonus in DPS, 5 extra damage. However, jumping from 35% to 40% CDR (which is also 5%) gives you about 13 extra damage. Totaling 40% CDR your DPS jumps from 100 to 166 (this is huge). The point is, the same bonus of 5% CDR is worth more than twice as much when you add it on top of CDR from other sources.

That is, small bonuses to CDR are ineffective. Each point of CDR is worth more the closer you are to the cap (and it would be worth infinity had you been able to reach 100% CDR). The thing is, flat CDR runes are the only source of CDR many champs will have in the beginning of the game. However, they will only kick in significantly when you get at least a CDR item or a blue buff. This is somewhat paradoxal, but flat CDR runes are almost as much an investment into late game as CDR/18 are. And CDR/18 do it better and for a smaller price. Imo, unless you hug blue and/or build a very early CDR item, flat CDRs are not worth it. If you're not planning to build CDR on your champ at all, they are almost useless. There are exceptions, ofc, but from the raw DPS standpoint, it is all true.

The point of this post is to warn people about buying flat CDR runes "just because they suit every champ", just like I did. They really don't, and they are the most expensive runes in the game just like dodge seals (which are imo, overrated as well). Taking CDR/18 is twice cheaper and they basically do the same thing.

Not that I'm against flat CDR on WW (he should be always wearing the blue) and people that get lots of CDR early (Ezreal with blue and Bruta), but imo unless you consistently hit at least 25% CDR before plvl runes reach flats, they are not that effective and almost certainly not worth the price.

But Warwick starts at blue buff, i wasn't suggesting them for anyone but WW, idk where this rant came from lol.

"whats the best runes on ww?"
"flat cdr blues"
"ESSAY ON FLAT CDR BEING BAD ON MANY CHAMPIONS"
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
September 15 2010 15:46 GMT
#18206
if smash isn't playing i'll play.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 15 2010 15:47 GMT
#18207
On September 16 2010 00:46 redtooth wrote:
if smash isn't playing i'll play.

so since the former is true should i put you down or not
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 15 2010 15:48 GMT
#18208
On September 16 2010 00:46 redtooth wrote:
if smash isn't playing i'll play.

if wrawrawrawra's playing, I'll play.

WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE!?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 15 2010 15:48 GMT
#18209
On September 16 2010 00:48 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 00:46 redtooth wrote:
if smash isn't playing i'll play.

if wrawrawrawra's playing, I'll play.

WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE!?

divide by zero
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 15:56:26
September 15 2010 15:51 GMT
#18210
yay i just used the rune combiner on all my old runes and got a bunch of random stuff, plus 2 movement speed quints and 1 dodge quint, so now i have 3 of each

edit: of also 1 armor pen quint lol
You can't milk those!
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
September 15 2010 15:56 GMT
#18211
2 MS quints from randoms? unfair all I ever got was crap
it's my first day
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
September 15 2010 15:57 GMT
#18212
On September 16 2010 00:56 myopia wrote:
2 MS quints from randoms? unfair all I ever got was crap

yea i know, i feel lucky

it was from ages ago when i accidently bought mana regen instead of mana regen per levels:'(
so i just dumped them all and got some nice quints so yay
You can't milk those!
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
September 15 2010 16:01 GMT
#18213
On September 16 2010 00:10 Caller wrote:
seriously guys i have only 19 entries right now

if you want me to run this thing i need like 40 people lol


I think it just needs some time, it's hard to keep up with this thread sometimes
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2671 Posts
September 15 2010 16:03 GMT
#18214
On September 16 2010 00:44 Mogwai wrote:
my build was so pro:

meki
boots
manamune
sheen
zerker greaves
trinity force
banshee's veil
Atma's Impaler
Infinity Edge


As an old Corki player, I used to do this:

meki, 2 pots,
Chalice
Beserkers Boots
Black Cleaver
Blood Thirster/Infinity Edge
Maybe another Blood Thirster, Banshees, that kind of thing.

I'm thinking now:
Meki 2 pots,
Manamune,
Beserkers
Black Cleaver
Sheen
Blood Thirster.

21/0/9 Runes
Cleanse/Flash
Crit Chance Marks, Crit Chance Seals, Mp/5 per Level Blues, Arp Quints.
Get one of each skill to start with (E can be helpful in early fights.) Max Q -> E -> W getting R when possible.
I played a heavy harass with the large amounts of mana. Farming is very easy with Q + R on last three creeps. Also does a lot of damage to anyone caught in it.

Black Cleaver is the key item, so obv if you have the money to get one, then skip other items. I don't think Trinity Force and Banshees are that necessary early on. Tri-Force is ok, but I prefer a big damage, glass cannon corki. He has plenty of escapes and whatnot that I don't think that getting survivabilty early is important if you have confidence in your team and positioning ability. Sitting in the right spot and Gatling Gunning a whole team with various Phosphorus Bombs and Missiles is a lot of damage. Saving your Valkyrie for a good escape (over walls for example) can destroy a whole team. That was the old AD build I went for. There are other ones but I'm so out of touch with them.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 15 2010 16:11 GMT
#18215
If you ever play with anyone from clan ADHD id recommend just leaving, played with the whiniest ashe iv ever seen, who blue pilled like 4 times before level 6 proceeds to call me bad for not rushing into 2 heroes with no mana(as amumu) to keep her stupid ass alive who goes into melee range with corki and morgana and gets snared then raped

then to top it off ashe gets malady, and i just lol'd hard
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 15 2010 16:12 GMT
#18216
lool most stacked team last night in the 1 ranked game i played after we fucked around with jungle poppy and horribad tf and shit

had monkey d luffy, flypigmomo, tychii, and elementz

vs doomtrobo and 4 no names LOL biggset smash ive ever seen. flypigmomo got like 21 kills on trist, he could practically 1v5 their team.
Brees on in
ProdT
Profile Joined January 2009
United States170 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 16:17:10
September 15 2010 16:15 GMT
#18217
Wow this game is so stupid in the solo que. I havent won a game in awhile despite generally doing well.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 15 2010 16:28 GMT
#18218
On September 16 2010 00:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 23:21 BluzMan wrote:
On September 15 2010 22:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On September 15 2010 20:10 Scamp wrote:
On September 15 2010 19:32 HeavOnEarth wrote:
On September 15 2010 18:39 emucxg wrote:
What runes are best for jungle warwick?

no clue
i use attack speed quints/marks
cdr blue
flat armor ylw


That's pretty much the best build IMO. You can use dodge runes instead of armor if you want. There really aren't any good blue runes for him but you can also run attack speed on those if you choose. Nothing wrong with CDR though.

Flat CDR helps jungling a TON on WW and it really makes ganking better because your ult is up more often. I run cdr/lv on my warwick but that's because I don't have infinite IP.


The more I play with them, the more I'm thinking flat CDR runes are vastly overrated. This is all math.

Say, you do 100 damage per second with your abilities. First 5% CDR will give you roughly a 5% bonus in DPS, 5 extra damage. However, jumping from 35% to 40% CDR (which is also 5%) gives you about 13 extra damage. Totaling 40% CDR your DPS jumps from 100 to 166 (this is huge). The point is, the same bonus of 5% CDR is worth more than twice as much when you add it on top of CDR from other sources.

That is, small bonuses to CDR are ineffective. Each point of CDR is worth more the closer you are to the cap (and it would be worth infinity had you been able to reach 100% CDR). The thing is, flat CDR runes are the only source of CDR many champs will have in the beginning of the game. However, they will only kick in significantly when you get at least a CDR item or a blue buff. This is somewhat paradoxal, but flat CDR runes are almost as much an investment into late game as CDR/18 are. And CDR/18 do it better and for a smaller price. Imo, unless you hug blue and/or build a very early CDR item, flat CDRs are not worth it. If you're not planning to build CDR on your champ at all, they are almost useless. There are exceptions, ofc, but from the raw DPS standpoint, it is all true.

The point of this post is to warn people about buying flat CDR runes "just because they suit every champ", just like I did. They really don't, and they are the most expensive runes in the game just like dodge seals (which are imo, overrated as well). Taking CDR/18 is twice cheaper and they basically do the same thing.

Not that I'm against flat CDR on WW (he should be always wearing the blue) and people that get lots of CDR early (Ezreal with blue and Bruta), but imo unless you consistently hit at least 25% CDR before plvl runes reach flats, they are not that effective and almost certainly not worth the price.

But Warwick starts at blue buff, i wasn't suggesting them for anyone but WW, idk where this rant came from lol.

"whats the best runes on ww?"
"flat cdr blues"
"ESSAY ON FLAT CDR BEING BAD ON MANY CHAMPIONS"


On Jungle Wick I run ArPen reds flat armor yellows and mres/level blues with movespeed quints.

Personally, I would prefer the AS reds but I don't own them so at least the ArPen helps with the physical damage portion of my ult for now. Personally, I prefer the MRes/lvl over CDR because they help you live longer in the later stages of the game which can be huge.

On a side note: Galio's ult + a MF with 415 AD = dead enemy team
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 16:32:05
September 15 2010 16:31 GMT
#18219
I dont always play warwick, but when I do










I prefer flat CDR blues.

Golem + spirit visage + flat cdr blues is max CD im pretty sure and being able to Q that many times is like being fucking mundo.

Brees on in
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
September 15 2010 16:33 GMT
#18220
On September 16 2010 01:12 Brees wrote:
lool most stacked team last night in the 1 ranked game i played after we fucked around with jungle poppy and horribad tf and shit

had monkey d luffy, flypigmomo, tychii, and elementz

vs doomtrobo and 4 no names LOL biggset smash ive ever seen. flypigmomo got like 21 kills on trist, he could practically 1v5 their team.
you mean proski TF.
after that game neo and i just sent a mass invite and got treeeskimo, dubu, and that scrub ezpz. vs cannan (not knaan) and randoms. i was DC'd half the time but was still a walkover.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
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