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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On September 12 2010 15:40 Southlight wrote: They played super safe because of what was on the line. I think both teams had confidence when the game goes to the late-game they would win. Could you blame them for being conservative? :o yeah i think people will grow out of being conservative, but at the same time there aren't as many explosive double stun lanes like in hon that can 1 shot a guy. but i think team fights are awesome to watch and you gotta think as a spectator, there were times in that 60 minute game where it was like really boring for someone to watch without knowledge. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
On September 12 2010 15:49 shawster wrote: yeah i think people will grow out of being conservative, but at the same time there aren't as many explosive double stun lanes like in hon that can 1 shot a guy. but i think team fights are awesome to watch Blitz + Ali seems like a fun duo lane. Just saw nico and reep (?) do that in clgaming's stream. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 12 2010 15:49 shawster wrote: yeah i think people will grow out of being conservative, but at the same time there aren't as many explosive double stun lanes like in hon that can 1 shot a guy. but i think team fights are awesome to watch and you gotta think as a spectator, there were times in that 60 minute game where it was like really boring for someone to watch without knowledge. watch the first game, it was significantly higher paced than the 2nd (i believe u said u only watched this one), even tho there were some decidedly 'safe' moments (hsgg especially disappointed me) | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 12 2010 15:49 shawster wrote: yeah i think people will grow out of being conservative, but at the same time there aren't as many explosive double stun lanes like in hon that can 1 shot a guy. but i think team fights are awesome to watch and you gotta think as a spectator, there were times in that 60 minute game where it was like really boring for someone to watch without knowledge. You have to remember it's not like these two teams haven't played each other - with the dearth of good teams/players they've probably played with/against each other a zillion times... and that familiarity leads to both confidence and overconfidence along with the proportional amount of respect/disrespect... unless they come out and say it (they won't) we'll never know who gave who respect etc. but that obviously factors into conservative play. And unless more teams sprout up that give the top 4 or so teams a run for their money there won't be a lot of risk-taking when the stakes are high because it's usually just not worth it. Edit: For example, against people I don't care for I might "take a shot" at tower diving someone, and it might work, or it might not. On the other hand if that guy is like Dyrus and I'm not actually sure if I can kill and get away then I'd be a LOT more hesitant to do it... because Dyrus is no fool, and if he's sticking around it generally means HE thinks he can take me. And so what an observer would see is me chickening out and playing safe (boring) but... what can you do. | ||
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Fatmatt2000
United States159 Posts
On September 12 2010 13:22 Phrost wrote: Food for thought: The sc2 exhibition gathered about ~9400 viewers. The League of Legends final: Peaked at about 15000 viewers. Every day last week there were 9k people watching the GSL via restreams on TL + The amount of people watching through VLC links and GOM's official stream. (Of couse, this also says something about the stability of Gom's stream....) This is at like 4am in the US too. | ||
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Pikachusc2
Canada91 Posts
but i got this game like 3 hrs agoand i LOVE IT! me and my friend are looking for one more who is (extremely good) to carry us. :D hes usually the archer with the frost stuff and im the gnome tank forgot her name sonnny maybe? give me a msg! | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On September 12 2010 15:52 Misder wrote: Blitz + Ali seems like a fun duo lane. Just saw nico and reep (?) do that in clgaming's stream. baikin and I used to do blitz+ali, was pretty fun | ||
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Eloquent
United States475 Posts
On September 12 2010 16:09 Pikachusc2 wrote: i think the servers are down right now. but i got this game like 3 hrs agoand i LOVE IT! me and my friend are looking for one more who is (extremely good) to carry us. :D hes usually the archer with the frost stuff and im the gnome tank forgot her name sonnny maybe? give me a msg! Nice, your friend is Ashe and i believe your friend is... Poppy? Correct me if I'm wrong. Yup and the server's are down... I really wanted to get my bonus too  | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On September 12 2010 15:55 Southlight wrote: You have to remember it's not like these two teams haven't played each other - with the dearth of good teams/players they've probably played with/against each other a zillion times... and that familiarity leads to both confidence and overconfidence along with the proportional amount of respect/disrespect... unless they come out and say it (they won't) we'll never know who gave who respect etc. but that obviously factors into conservative play. And unless more teams sprout up that give the top 4 or so teams a run for their money there won't be a lot of risk-taking when the stakes are high because it's usually just not worth it. Edit: For example, against people I don't care for I might "take a shot" at tower diving someone, and it might work, or it might not. On the other hand if that guy is like Dyrus and I'm not actually sure if I can kill and get away then I'd be a LOT more hesitant to do it... because Dyrus is no fool, and if he's sticking around it generally means HE thinks he can take me. And so what an observer would see is me chickening out and playing safe (boring) but... what can you do. i totally agree with you, just giving my own opinion. i think maybe towers hit too hard/ghost flash making the early game boring. i think lol at high levels is way too conservative and it comes down to every last detail, dragons giving a team an edge that can snowball etc. i wish we could see some creative/dangerous play that people love to spectate. i know the game rewards conservative play, i just wish it didn't. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On September 12 2010 16:23 shawster wrote: i totally agree with you, just giving my own opinion. i think maybe towers hit too hard/ghost flash making the early game boring. i think lol at high levels is way too conservative and it comes down to every last detail, dragons giving a team an edge that can snowball etc. i wish we could see some creative/dangerous play that people love to spectate. i know the game rewards conservative play, i just wish it didn't. Agreed. Summoner spells make it too easy to escape at low levels, need of jungle means you will only have one duo lane where stuff happens. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 12 2010 16:30 cascades wrote: Agreed. Summoner spells make it too easy to escape at low levels, need of jungle means you will only have one duo lane where stuff happens. erm, i think you guys should watch clgame's stream, they do all kinds of ballsy shit, hotshotgg's nidalee ranks up there especially. As a longtime watcher of said 'high elo', the finals (esp the second game) while great technically, lacked quite a bit in showmanship. basically, i think you guys should not base your opinion of high level lol on watching one game in a reasonably high pressure final on a stage in front of 16000 viewers | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On September 12 2010 16:41 barbsq wrote: erm, i think you guys should watch clgame's stream, they do all kinds of ballsy shit, hotshotgg's nidalee ranks up there especially. As a longtime watcher of said 'high elo', the finals (esp the second game) while great technically, lacked quite a bit in showmanship. basically, i think you guys should not base your opinion of high level lol on watching one game in a reasonably high pressure final on a stage in front of 16000 viewers You are acting as if you are the only one who does. I will bet competition ends up this way, though it is not entirely riot's fault. Witness the farmcraft dota turned into. Where money is at stake, safe and boring will become the norm unless there is incentive not to. They can mess around on their stream all they want, but I am pretty sure almost all competitive LoL games will look as boring. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
also, the stage being able to hear the commentators... that's so awful... I really wish it didn't work like that... he couldn't really say much about say upcoming ganks, or watch how they position themselves here for this upcoming gank etc.. although to be fair.. it wasn't really a gank festival or anything | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 12 2010 17:02 cascades wrote: You are acting as if you are the only one who does. I will bet competition ends up this way, though it is not entirely riot's fault. Witness the farmcraft dota turned into. Where money is at stake, safe and boring will become the norm unless there is incentive not to. They can mess around on their stream all they want, but I am pretty sure almost all competitive LoL games will look as boring. while i am not aware of the immediate trends, high level dota games had not been the 'farmcraft' that you speak of for quite some time. This was only a popular trend back from the days where letting super-hardcore carries like spectre, pa, void, etc, farm for 30-40 mins was considered the most potent and viable strategy. Not too long afterwards, however, and for the period of time in which i played dota (i stopped about a year to a year and a half ago) the 'in' strategy was pioneered (iirc, may not be entirely correct about this) or at least put to good use by my favorite team ks.int (numerous other teams followed suit i remember a fantastic game between ks.int vs mym i believe, where kuroky and levent played a wicked sk and es), where they would take early game gank heroes and essentially roam the map punishing the enemy team. Now, this may say nothing for the future of lol, and i dont know enough about current high level play to know what will happen in future tournaments, but to say that lol will become a 'farmfest' because dota did is not only ignorant of dota's evolution but also of LoL's (hell, we've only been through like 3-4 'metagame shifts' so who the fuck knows where things will go). edit: lol, i just read this again and i sound like a real arrogant, knowitall, prick. tldr, i just think that your view is a bit too pessimistic and more support for this game as an esport will do it far more good than trying to step back and say inb4boring-90-min-farmfest | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
That was pretty ballsy imo. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
im sure he was probably yelling at his team to get the fuck in there while he was zhonya'd | ||
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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