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On June 23 2010 05:27 Ordained wrote:


I love it when someone trys to focus down tibbers, they arent attacking me then.

On June 22 2010 23:15 Brees wrote:
actually the spell vamp is still on haunting guise even if it doesnt say it i believe riot is aware though.

On June 23 2010 04:04 Southlight wrote:
Honestly, AP and AD build almost identically at the beginning. Regardless of which build I go I always level up Shunpo a lot and lag behind on BB, because BB pushes creep. And either way I open Sorc Boots and Guise (Brees said he doesn't like Guise, I like it because it gives magic pen and HP).

After that you start seeing the divide, as the AP build goes straight for Rylai while the AD build goes straight for Bloodthirster. Then and only then do you see the difference in survivability and combat focus.

On June 23 2010 04:49 Mogwai wrote:
haha, no no no no, high level games never ever involve twitch at mid. he gets absolutely demolished by everyone decent mid. I remember the last time I saw a twitch mid and suffice to say that game did not go well for him :p.

On June 23 2010 04:44 shawster wrote:
ring >> sapphire in high level play it seems

basically you really want that 100 hp advantage at level 1, it's so integral to your success. you go to mid with vamp scept twitch vs doran shield twitch or ring vs sapphire annie and you'll see a big difference. however, sapphire crystal does build into catalyst easily so thats your call.

you want to go roa/banshees merc treads/sorc boots and ap item of your choice. i don't like mejai on annie, since her nukes already hit hard and she needs hp/mana.

On June 22 2010 17:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Sorry about the late responses, I posted this morning and it's already like 6 pages ahead:


Yeah, I understand that there are characters that zone you out early, especially with Ryze's terrible movespeed, but once you level the bounce shot high enough you should be able to safely farm waves regardless of zoning. Generally, with any character, I try to stay as far away from Pantheon as I can and retreat to tower range if I'm getting jumped. His burst rapes pretty much everyone.

I know, but you just stay on the opposite side of the creeps from them and they can't harass you without getting in range of your bounce shot or between your creeps/tower. I know you know that you move from the middle of the lane if this happens.I think it's relatively easy to farm with Ryze assuming you just pour everything into bounce. You don't even really have to be anywhere close to danger to hit a creep at the halfway point of the mid lane with his bounce shot.

My post addressed the hardships of dealing with Kat/Pantheon the sentence immediately after I said they'd put a point in prison to prevent combos. I know Pantheon/Kat is hard, but it's hard for pretty much everyone. Against a good amount of characters that typically solo mid, Ryze can easily hold his own. Against Pantheon it's hard before level 6 (well, hard in general) and against Kat it's hard after level 6. It doesn't mean it's impossible.

haha, no no no no, high level games never ever involve twitch at mid. he gets absolutely demolished by everyone decent mid. I remember the last time I saw a twitch mid and suffice to say that game did not go well for him :p.

On June 23 2010 06:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:

On the contrary i find cutting the corners on HP survival and going for maximum damage better on annie, my only hp item on her the majority of the time is rylais or a giant belt.
The thing about sapphire crystal is some matchups, you're just screwed. (a lot of them actually)
For example, an ashe that saved her crit+ took volley.
Generally, you want to be behind the mage creeps avoiding her volley, and personally when she comes up to me to crit with her 100% chance, i blow my Q, blow my ignite, and start autoattacking. ( the creeps will attack her more than they will you because she aggro'd into your line.)
you will NOT win if you dont have the bonus HP from dorans- and any ashe will know that so they'll back off.
If they keep attacking you, you're pretty much forced to back off, and concede zone control

similarly with kat, other annies, pantheon from level 1-3 with his spear shot , etc. its very common to receive soo much aggro in midlane from my experience.

On June 23 2010 06:45 Andr3 wrote:
I've played twitch like two weeks ago and i had great success being very aggressive, with a full def mastery, people really underestimate his expunge while taking him on 1vs1. The biggest problem is the stupid Cleanse which everybody has at high ELO. The range is really problematic but if the other guy is giving you a hard time you can mostly just creep and get free shots off with your stealth abuse.

Don't take anything i say too seriously i have like 28-22 with twitch, some games were great some were bad. But IMO twitch can be mid no problem, spread poison win by creep killing or try to annoy, stealth is your friend.

On June 23 2010 04:04 Southlight wrote:
Honestly, AP and AD build almost identically at the beginning. Regardless of which build I go I always level up Shunpo a lot and lag behind on BB, because BB pushes creep. And either way I open Sorc Boots and Guise (Brees said he doesn't like Guise, I like it because it gives magic pen and HP).

After that you start seeing the divide, as the AP build goes straight for Rylai while the AD build goes straight for Bloodthirster. Then and only then do you see the difference in survivability and combat focus.

I prefer Bloodthirster, as I prefer to farm quickly and I prefer to have a stronger ranged harass. BB is also a very strong teamfight skill as you'll almost always have your ult jacked up, so you at least this way you get a pretty imbahax quick RC AoE damage skill, on top of the massive farm aid it gives. However it means you're foregoing a snare effect on your skills, and you're down like 500 HP.

Saying ___ is better because I ended up getting ____ better record or ___ is better because ____ used it well is bull. People will prefer different builds because they're more comfortable with it. The fact that this is a constant question means Riot has done a good job balancing it, and it means the most important thing to remember when reading people discussing these things is that if they 100% advocate one over the other they're talking out of their ass.

On June 23 2010 06:31 redtooth wrote:
sorry but this is a contradiction. if you're farming with bouncing shot then you're going to push which then leads to even more zoning. ryze has low range, low movespeed, no regen, crappy cc, and mediocre early game burst so he's going to absolutely die during laning.

once again, you use bouncing, you push, you get zoned, you lose exp, you lose lane. any ranged DPS would destroy you with equal movespeed since they can just hit and run. there is no hero in the game other then ezreal and maaaaaybe annie (unlikely actually) who can just "sit back and farm" during laning. if the other person want's an engagement, they're going to get it. and when it happens ryze is dead.

kat's strength isn't after level 6... it's the constant damage she's doing to you without expending mana. also a point in prison isn't going to do anything vs a kat anyways (did you forget shunpo?). vs panth you're literally going to have a 2 level and 20 cs disadvantage. the more you try to farm with bouncing the more you're going to push and get zoned. but even beyond panth's imba laning anybody with heal/shield is going to destroy you, any decent ranged dps is going to destroy you, most other casters at mid are going to destroy you, etc etc.

On June 23 2010 07:47 Chrispy wrote:
No sir they do not. It's a good laugh when somebody accidentally buys two boots.

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