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is there a way to hotkey items with active abilities?
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On June 23 2010 08:30 travis wrote:
is there a way to hotkey items with active abilities?
It's 1-6 on the keyboard.
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oh lol
well thats some useful info
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On June 23 2010 08:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 08:19 Phrost wrote:
streaming now if you wanta watch
livestream.com/phrostsgaming Well you weren't streaming for very long lol.
It was a really sad game.
It's up now
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look at what a feeder elementz is, more than half our team deaths and he took mid from me so I had to jungle without flat damage quints 
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On June 23 2010 07:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:31 redtooth wrote:On June 22 2010 17:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Sorry about the late responses, I posted this morning and it's already like 6 pages ahead: On June 21 2010 23:55 Mogwai wrote:
Pantheon wins vs. Ryze mostly via attrition. Spear shot is busted as hell for the first 3 levels, you just zone them off of creeps or force them to trade harass with your 83 damage nuke that costs 30 mana and has a 4 second CD (which always leads to a mana advantage for Pantheon if nothing else).
EDIT: damn, that fucker plays too much, especially with shitty characters, lol. Yeah, I understand that there are characters that zone you out early, especially with Ryze's terrible movespeed, but once you level the bounce shot high enough you should be able to safely farm waves regardless of zoning. Generally, with any character, I try to stay as far away from Pantheon as I can and retreat to tower range if I'm getting jumped. His burst rapes pretty much everyone. sorry but this is a contradiction. if you're farming with bouncing shot then you're going to push which then leads to even more zoning. ryze has low range, low movespeed, no regen, crappy cc, and mediocre early game burst so he's going to absolutely die during laning. On June 21 2010 23:58 Southlight wrote:
My point is, a competent player will simply stand off of the creep, thus, targeting the player with bounce shot will simply turn it into a single-target single-hit nuke. At this point, coupled with his lack of range, the Trists and Ashes (ranged DPS) of the world will pummel Ryze, as they outrange him and have far more sustained damage output if Ryze were to actually try to close the gap and cast his two single-target single-hit nukes. I know, but you just stay on the opposite side of the creeps from them and they can't harass you without getting in range of your bounce shot or between your creeps/tower. I know you know that you move from the middle of the lane if this happens. Other dedicated solo mid nukers (Pantheon, Kat, Karthus, Anivia, Annie, etc.) have much stronger, more repeatable (attrition) combos and/or superior range or burst, particularly until level 6 (where Ryze finally begins to shine). "Well you just have to wait until level 6" you might say. A couple days ago I was playing Ashe vs Ashe, where the other Ashe opened Doran's Blade and I opened Fortitude. Suffice it to say I was level 6 when he was level 4. "Waiting until level 6" when you're outmatched solo is rarely going to end well. I think it's relatively easy to farm with Ryze assuming you just pour everything into bounce. You don't even really have to be anywhere close to danger to hit a creep at the halfway point of the mid lane with his bounce shot. once again, you use bouncing, you push, you get zoned, you lose exp, you lose lane. any ranged DPS would destroy you with equal movespeed since they can just hit and run. there is no hero in the game other then ezreal and maaaaaybe annie (unlikely actually) who can just "sit back and farm" during laning. if the other person want's an engagement, they're going to get it. and when it happens ryze is dead. "But you can break combos with prison" you bring up. That's fine and dandy except prison doesn't actually break combos. It's an entangle, not a stun, so casting prison on Pantheon/Kat does jack-all for you, except to cause you to stand in place in their channeled spell for another second. My post addressed the hardships of dealing with Kat/Pantheon the sentence immediately after I said they'd put a point in prison to prevent combos. I know Pantheon/Kat is hard, but it's hard for pretty much everyone. Against a good amount of characters that typically solo mid, Ryze can easily hold his own. Against Pantheon it's hard before level 6 (well, hard in general) and against Kat it's hard after level 6. It doesn't mean it's impossible. kat's strength isn't after level 6... it's the constant damage she's doing to you without expending mana. also a point in prison isn't going to do anything vs a kat anyways (did you forget shunpo?). vs panth you're literally going to have a 2 level and 20 cs disadvantage. the more you try to farm with bouncing the more you're going to push and get zoned. but even beyond panth's imba laning anybody with heal/shield is going to destroy you, any decent ranged dps is going to destroy you, most other casters at mid are going to destroy you, etc etc. Okay, you're right, it's impossible to beat anyone mid with Ryze, I stand corrected.
I'm glad that's cleared up =D
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On June 23 2010 07:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:31 redtooth wrote:On June 22 2010 17:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Sorry about the late responses, I posted this morning and it's already like 6 pages ahead: On June 21 2010 23:55 Mogwai wrote:
Pantheon wins vs. Ryze mostly via attrition. Spear shot is busted as hell for the first 3 levels, you just zone them off of creeps or force them to trade harass with your 83 damage nuke that costs 30 mana and has a 4 second CD (which always leads to a mana advantage for Pantheon if nothing else).
EDIT: damn, that fucker plays too much, especially with shitty characters, lol. Yeah, I understand that there are characters that zone you out early, especially with Ryze's terrible movespeed, but once you level the bounce shot high enough you should be able to safely farm waves regardless of zoning. Generally, with any character, I try to stay as far away from Pantheon as I can and retreat to tower range if I'm getting jumped. His burst rapes pretty much everyone. sorry but this is a contradiction. if you're farming with bouncing shot then you're going to push which then leads to even more zoning. ryze has low range, low movespeed, no regen, crappy cc, and mediocre early game burst so he's going to absolutely die during laning. On June 21 2010 23:58 Southlight wrote:
My point is, a competent player will simply stand off of the creep, thus, targeting the player with bounce shot will simply turn it into a single-target single-hit nuke. At this point, coupled with his lack of range, the Trists and Ashes (ranged DPS) of the world will pummel Ryze, as they outrange him and have far more sustained damage output if Ryze were to actually try to close the gap and cast his two single-target single-hit nukes. I know, but you just stay on the opposite side of the creeps from them and they can't harass you without getting in range of your bounce shot or between your creeps/tower. I know you know that you move from the middle of the lane if this happens. Other dedicated solo mid nukers (Pantheon, Kat, Karthus, Anivia, Annie, etc.) have much stronger, more repeatable (attrition) combos and/or superior range or burst, particularly until level 6 (where Ryze finally begins to shine). "Well you just have to wait until level 6" you might say. A couple days ago I was playing Ashe vs Ashe, where the other Ashe opened Doran's Blade and I opened Fortitude. Suffice it to say I was level 6 when he was level 4. "Waiting until level 6" when you're outmatched solo is rarely going to end well. I think it's relatively easy to farm with Ryze assuming you just pour everything into bounce. You don't even really have to be anywhere close to danger to hit a creep at the halfway point of the mid lane with his bounce shot. once again, you use bouncing, you push, you get zoned, you lose exp, you lose lane. any ranged DPS would destroy you with equal movespeed since they can just hit and run. there is no hero in the game other then ezreal and maaaaaybe annie (unlikely actually) who can just "sit back and farm" during laning. if the other person want's an engagement, they're going to get it. and when it happens ryze is dead. "But you can break combos with prison" you bring up. That's fine and dandy except prison doesn't actually break combos. It's an entangle, not a stun, so casting prison on Pantheon/Kat does jack-all for you, except to cause you to stand in place in their channeled spell for another second. My post addressed the hardships of dealing with Kat/Pantheon the sentence immediately after I said they'd put a point in prison to prevent combos. I know Pantheon/Kat is hard, but it's hard for pretty much everyone. Against a good amount of characters that typically solo mid, Ryze can easily hold his own. Against Pantheon it's hard before level 6 (well, hard in general) and against Kat it's hard after level 6. It doesn't mean it's impossible. kat's strength isn't after level 6... it's the constant damage she's doing to you without expending mana. also a point in prison isn't going to do anything vs a kat anyways (did you forget shunpo?). vs panth you're literally going to have a 2 level and 20 cs disadvantage. the more you try to farm with bouncing the more you're going to push and get zoned. but even beyond panth's imba laning anybody with heal/shield is going to destroy you, any decent ranged dps is going to destroy you, most other casters at mid are going to destroy you, etc etc. Okay, you're right, it's impossible to beat anyone mid with Ryze, I stand corrected. i understand it's sarcastic... but ever since i started playing with decent players i haven't seen 1 dominate laning with ryze. grgfrk or w.e. is prob the best ryze i've seen but even he didn't do THAT well. and utahime says that kid knows all the tricks there are to playing ryze. regardless, ryze is on corki level in terms of rareness at high elo.
On June 23 2010 06:55 Southlight wrote:
Ah, it sounded like you were heavily implying AP >>>> AD, sorry. well i heavily imply AP >>>> AD. what now o_O?
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I dont like when people go AP kat at high elo because it means they arent abusing their healing reduction to its fullest. Sure you are reducing healing but you arent doing any damage....I only like AP kat to be tanky when you have your KI --> Shunpo damage reduction. You rarely get to use that in high elo.
my 2 cents anyway.
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hmm can someone clarify for me what amumu's ult does? i asked in liquidparty and one guy said it's just a root, but the description of the spell is pretty clear that it ought to do more than that
"Amumu entangles surrounding enemy units in bandages, rendering them unable to attack or move and causes them to take damage each second."
i've been unable to interrupt channeled spells with it. so here's what i think it might be:
a.) the guy was right. it's just a root. the description is blatantly incorrect
b.) it prevents regular attacks but not abilities/spells
c.) it prevents all kinds of attacks but it doesnt interrupt channeling
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On June 23 2010 09:00 Brees wrote:
I dont like when people go AP kat at high elo because it means they arent abusing their healing reduction to its fullest. Sure you are reducing healing but you arent doing any damage....I only like AP kat to be tanky when you have your KI --> Shunpo damage reduction. You rarely get to use that in high elo. well i do it all the time. so ha!
On June 23 2010 09:03 Liquid`NonY wrote:
hmm can someone clarify for me what amumu's ult does? i asked in liquidparty and one guy said it's just a root, but the description of the spell is pretty clear that it ought to do more than that
"Amumu entangles surrounding enemy units in bandages, rendering them unable to attack or move and causes them to take damage each second."
i've been unable to interrupt channeled spells with it. so here's what i think it might be:
a.) the guy was right. it's just a root. the description is blatantly incorrect
b.) it prevents regular attacks but not abilities/spells
c.) it prevents all kinds of attacks but it doesnt interrupt channeling pretty sure it's B. same with ryze's rune prison thingy.
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To answer NonY: It's b. In some patch they changed it to be a full stun, but it didn't make it to live servers because it was overpowered.
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also, someone explain this to me:
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it'd be stupid if he was joking.
but he wasn't.
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there's a glitch where you can queue dodge without getting the penalty, obviously not gonna say it. it will be patched. ( i dont use it btw)
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So whats the deal with this game, some heroes have abilities that dont cost mana and are completely spammable, it was weird coming off HoN and trying LoL. I generally find it very hard to deal with those heroes who just spam skills (like katarina for instance), what do you guys do?
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On June 23 2010 09:11 redtooth wrote:also, someone explain this to me: it'd be stupid if he was joking. but he wasn't.
Finkill and his butt buddies (Snowflake is included) like to abuse a glitch in the dodge penalty system. It's pretty infuriating.
And Amumu's Ulti is simply a root. Can't move or attack but you can still use abilities.
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On June 23 2010 09:21 ProdT wrote:
So whats the deal with this game, some heroes have abilities that dont cost mana and are completely spammable, it was weird coming off HoN and trying LoL. I generally find it very hard to deal with those heroes who just spam skills (like katarina for instance), what do you guys do?
Play a little conservatively? There's a few mana-less champion that can spam projectiles (Kat, Kennen, etc). Just focus on last hitting in lanes and harass with your spells at levels 3 and 5.
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watching snowflake try to play shaco was pretty hilarious btw, can he play anything besides janna?
i was malphite and we 5 man'd his golem, had a lvl 1 fight we won 3 kills to none lol.
i think we only had like 2 deaths, almost clean sheet them. I had a weird day yesterday tho, 3 games in a row where we cleansheet the other team...
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On June 23 2010 09:25 Brees wrote:
watching snowflake try to play shaco was pretty hilarious btw, can he play anything besides janna?
i was malphite and we 5 man'd his golem, had a lvl 1 fight we won 3 kills to none lol.
i think we only had like 2 deaths, almost clean sheet them. I had a weird day yesterday tho, 3 games in a row where we cleansheet the other team...
A lot of one trick ponies and guys who get carried by superior friends. All the more reason to ignore "elo" right now. It really means squat. It'll be fun banning champions when you see the one trick ponies on the other team come season 1 (sup tictacs).
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I'm getting to the point that I can Taric my team to victory if I can just convince them to stay in my auras (I'm amazed at how hard that can be sometimes :| )
also, Doran's Ring is amazing. I'm glad I invented the Doran's Ring opening, you'll all thank me one day.
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On June 23 2010 09:31 trace wm wrote:
I'm getting to the point that I can Taric my team to victory if I can just convince them to stay in my auras (I'm amazed at how hard that can be sometimes :| )
also, Doran's Ring is amazing. I'm glad I invented the Doran's Ring opening, you'll all thank me one day.
every taric starts doran's ring lol
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