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On August 31 2010 01:53 Mogwai wrote:
I hate CDR, so I'm probably the wrong person to talk to about this, lol.
EDIT: to be more precise, I just think that Kennen is more limitted by Energy than he is by Cooldowns, so I just don't think you get nearly enough bang for your buck on an item like Nashor's.
EDIT 2: holy shit! someone on LoL forums just suggested Madred's Razors on Sion so that when you use your ult in a teamfight near creep, you can just wail on creeps and then whenever you get a madred's proc, it's practically a soraka ult for your team LOL. That's gotta be the single most brilliant thing I've ever heard. Now I wanna jungle Sion especially hard.
As fun as your edit 2 sounds, wailing on creeps for even just a few swings praying for a proc is such a huge waste of damage output, even if it is healing your team for slightly more than you would hitting champions.
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On August 31 2010 02:11 red_ wrote:
Since you apparently can't be argued out of the CDR, let me at least show you the light that is not getting GRB for an AP Kennen build. Abyssal Scepter is 400 more gold, for 5 less AP(counting GRB at 8 stacks, which you obviously have to build to, takes a full combo+a few auto attacks), but you don't waste the AD and gain the aura(which is far more damage than 5 ap) and precious MR.
Or, a NLR is 600 less gold, for 5 more AP, and builds into Zhonya's.
For what it's worth I'd personally drop the cdr(and the energy runes, since without the cdr you no longer need them) and play either straight AP or the AD/AS hybrid.
I LOVE MY CDR :D
But you make sense, I'll try dropping GRB for a faster abyssal or zhonyas and see how I do.
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I didn't bother reading all the crap I missed while I was gone this weekend, so have we started talking about Miss Fortune or Manamune in here yet?
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On August 31 2010 02:18 Mogwai wrote:
I didn't bother reading all the crap I missed while I was gone this weekend, so have we started talking about Miss Fortune or Manamune in here yet?
Phrost threw up some Miss Fortune info, but wtf is Manamune(sounds like it's going to be another hybrid item?).
Edit: Manamune : +350 Mana +7 Mana Regen per 5 sec +20 Attack Damage UNIQUE Passive: 2% of your Max Mana is converted to Attack Damage. UNIQUE Passive: Each time your Champion attacks or uses an Ability, their Maximum Mana will increase by 4 Mana (2 for attacks). Bonus caps at 1000 mana.
That sounds terrible, but maybe I'm just not thinking hard enough of champs that would use it.
Edit 2: Apparently it's cheap as fuck(nobody actually posted the price in the thread) and thus is pretty damn useful on any physical champ that ever approaches oom+has skills to get the passive up(Ashe, Taric now instantly jump to mind).
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Is it the Tear -> AD item? Would make sense with that name.
EDIT: Guess I was right :p
It COULD be useful for an CDR/AD Urgot though I find him terrible that way. I hear he eats a lot of mana with his skillshot.
Also maybe AD Kog Maw?
If it outperforms Bloodthister it might be ok on several chars, since it doesn't lose stacks on death. I MIGHT consider it as a lategame item on CDR Ashe...
Maybe some sort of hybrid builds with Archangels/Manamune?
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Manamune :
+350 Mana
+7 Mana Regen per 5 sec
+20 Attack Damage
UNIQUE Passive: 2% of your Max Mana is converted to Attack Damage.
UNIQUE Passive: Each time your Champion attacks or uses an Ability, their Maximum Mana will increase by 4 Mana (2 for attacks). Bonus caps at 1000 mana.
no recipe or recipe cost info, but it pretty clearly is tear of the goddess + long sword. looks very scrub friendly, but I have no idea who would actually want this item at a reasonable level of play lest they make the cost unbelievably low.
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"You dont have to cast spells to get the stacks. You get the stacks from normal attacks with Manamune as well. Every 2 attacks gives you 1 stack on it."
Every page further I get on this thread the better this item sounds...
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*shrugs* color me extreme underwhelmed.
EDIT: I guess it would make some sense on Kog or Taric. Seems like trash on the stuff I've been hearing in that thread like, "zomg kass, Pantheon!"
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i would buy it on my AD kass maybe, but i dont run oom often since im not trying to build up riftwalk stacks so i doubt it.
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On August 31 2010 02:31 Mogwai wrote:
*shrugs* color me extreme underwhelmed.
EDIT: I guess it would make some sense on Kog or Taric. Seems like trash on the stuff I've been hearing in that thread like, "zomg kass, Pantheon!"
I think more people are retarded with who they are thinking it'd be good on. But it's apparently like ~1900 gold, and gives you somewhere around 35 damage with base mana pools, and closer to 60 when you level up + get the passive maxed.
Ashe, Taric, and Sion seem the most obvious, and then there's a handful of champs where there'd be a debate about either delaying a core item, or getting this 2nd after the core(ezreal - brutalizer, Kayle - GRB, Jax - GRB, Kog - BR). Basically the gold cost being so low, making it essentailly a BF sword(actually, better than BF once you're past like lvl 10-12 on most champs) that eliminates mana problems on some champs that have them is going to make it a solid buy. If it weren't super cheap it'd be a terrible item, but 1900 gold is fucking nothing.
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sounds pretty amazing on xin zhao imo
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On August 31 2010 00:22 Mogwai wrote:
look up Azen Zagenite's games on lolbase or in game if you wanna see good Kennen builds. That dude's Kennen is way too good (and has been since pre-buff, lol).
same azen from ssbm?
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On August 31 2010 02:48 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 02:31 Mogwai wrote:
*shrugs* color me extreme underwhelmed.
EDIT: I guess it would make some sense on Kog or Taric. Seems like trash on the stuff I've been hearing in that thread like, "zomg kass, Pantheon!" I think more people are retarded with who they are thinking it'd be good on. But it's apparently like ~1900 gold, and gives you somewhere around 35 damage with base mana pools, and closer to 60 when you level up + get the passive maxed. Ashe, Taric, and Sion seem the most obvious, and then there's a handful of champs where there'd be a debate about either delaying a core item, or getting this 2nd after the core(ezreal - brutalizer, Kayle - GRB, Jax - GRB, Kog - BR). Basically the gold cost being so low, making it essentailly a BF sword(actually, better than BF once you're past like lvl 10-12 on most champs) that eliminates mana problems on some champs that have them is going to make it a solid buy. If it weren't super cheap it'd be a terrible item, but 1900 gold is fucking nothing.
1900 is so far from nothing...
but I guess that's a useable price for it, you just need 1500 mana to get to even with a BF Sword and I suppose that would be easy enough with the passive on it.
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On August 31 2010 02:52 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 00:22 Mogwai wrote:
look up Azen Zagenite's games on lolbase or in game if you wanna see good Kennen builds. That dude's Kennen is way too good (and has been since pre-buff, lol). same azen from ssbm?
yep. kit's too goot at pretty much every video game. LoL appears to be his game of choice right now, I see him on and in a ranked game pretty much every time I log in, lol.
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On August 31 2010 02:52 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 02:48 red_ wrote:On August 31 2010 02:31 Mogwai wrote:
*shrugs* color me extreme underwhelmed.
EDIT: I guess it would make some sense on Kog or Taric. Seems like trash on the stuff I've been hearing in that thread like, "zomg kass, Pantheon!" I think more people are retarded with who they are thinking it'd be good on. But it's apparently like ~1900 gold, and gives you somewhere around 35 damage with base mana pools, and closer to 60 when you level up + get the passive maxed. Ashe, Taric, and Sion seem the most obvious, and then there's a handful of champs where there'd be a debate about either delaying a core item, or getting this 2nd after the core(ezreal - brutalizer, Kayle - GRB, Jax - GRB, Kog - BR). Basically the gold cost being so low, making it essentailly a BF sword(actually, better than BF once you're past like lvl 10-12 on most champs) that eliminates mana problems on some champs that have them is going to make it a solid buy. If it weren't super cheap it'd be a terrible item, but 1900 gold is fucking nothing. 1900 is so far from nothing... but I guess that's a useable price for it, you just need 1500 mana to get to even with a BF Sword and I suppose that would be easy enough with the passive on it.
It sounds like an item built specifically for kog'maw. And probably MissFortune too.... But I'm buying Kog next 
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On August 31 2010 02:53 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 02:52 Antoine wrote:On August 31 2010 00:22 Mogwai wrote:
look up Azen Zagenite's games on lolbase or in game if you wanna see good Kennen builds. That dude's Kennen is way too good (and has been since pre-buff, lol). same azen from ssbm? yep. kit's too goot at pretty much every video game. LoL appears to be his game of choice right now, I see him on and in a ranked game pretty much every time I log in, lol.
ah cool, i used to play against him at chu's biweeklies sometimes (always got owned lol), and had a couple classes with his 2v2 teammate chillin in high school
as for manamune recipe is Tear of the Goddess + Longsword + 515 gold (1910 Gold total)
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On August 31 2010 03:01 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 02:53 Mogwai wrote:On August 31 2010 02:52 Antoine wrote:On August 31 2010 00:22 Mogwai wrote:
look up Azen Zagenite's games on lolbase or in game if you wanna see good Kennen builds. That dude's Kennen is way too good (and has been since pre-buff, lol). same azen from ssbm? yep. kit's too goot at pretty much every video game. LoL appears to be his game of choice right now, I see him on and in a ranked game pretty much every time I log in, lol. ah cool, i used to play against him at chu's biweeklies sometimes (always got owned lol), and had a couple classes with his 2v2 teammate chillin in high school as for manamune recipe is Tear of the Goddess + Longsword + 515 gold (1910 Gold total)
nice. I never mustered up the energy to travel down from PA for a Chu's Biweekly, but I've played Azen at some national (I wanna say VLS maybe?) and yea, he's like, really really effin' good at Melee, lol.
At that price tag I guess Manamune's probably good, but it still feels like a really odd combination of stats.
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On August 31 2010 03:06 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 03:01 Antoine wrote:On August 31 2010 02:53 Mogwai wrote:On August 31 2010 02:52 Antoine wrote:On August 31 2010 00:22 Mogwai wrote:
look up Azen Zagenite's games on lolbase or in game if you wanna see good Kennen builds. That dude's Kennen is way too good (and has been since pre-buff, lol). same azen from ssbm? yep. kit's too goot at pretty much every video game. LoL appears to be his game of choice right now, I see him on and in a ranked game pretty much every time I log in, lol. ah cool, i used to play against him at chu's biweeklies sometimes (always got owned lol), and had a couple classes with his 2v2 teammate chillin in high school as for manamune recipe is Tear of the Goddess + Longsword + 515 gold (1910 Gold total) nice. I never mustered up the energy to travel down from PA for a Chu's Biweekly, but I've played Azen at some national (I wanna say VLS maybe?) and yea, he's like, really really effin' good at Melee, lol. At that price tag I guess Manamune's probably good, but it still feels like a really odd combination of stats.
I agree that it's not just overall OP like they're making it out to be, but on a select few champs(physical damage based + have mana problems without addressing it) it's just stupid good cost efficiency. Also in a hypothetical marathon game it becomes ridiculously good for hybrid type champs if you also get an RoA or AA.
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Let's see. So with the +350 mana you get an attack damage increase of 7. After maxing out the bonus you get an additional +20. So that's +47 on the item not including your champion's base mana pool.
Sounds like a very cost-efficient item. I wonder how long it takes to do 500 auto-attacks? For that matter, how many auto-attacks do I do over the course of a 40 minute game when I'm playing as Tristana?
Maybe some new stats need to be added to look at at the end of the game.
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it could be a good jungling item for those junglers that don't need madreds but need damage. get it early and every hit after that slowly makes you stronger (and since you're auto attacking you're getting lots of hits)
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