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Here's my proest-Kennen-the-world-has-ever-known build in progress:
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9/21/0
mpen red/ energyreg plvl yellow/ cdr plvl blue/ energyreg quint
With pro energy runes, your regen will be improved by 28% at level 18. That + near max cdr + your passive = you never run out of gas in teamfights.
QWEWER / then focus on W + E, with the occasional point in Q to reduce its CD. (R at 11,16 obv)
doran's shield + hpot
doran's shield
boots 1
rageblade
sorc boots
nashor's tooth
abyssal scepter
zhonyas
rylais
the second shield makes a HUGE difference in laning and early teamfights. I like to bluepill as soon as I hit 800 gold for it+boots. Get that negatron for abyssal fast you need it. Everything else is self explanatory.
I've improved a lot with him over the past few days, he takes some finesse but he's become my second favorite champ (Nasus for life)
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I only need to ban Mogwai if I have second pick since I can use him.
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On August 30 2010 21:43 NB wrote:
21-0-9 or 9-0-21 for TF? i have been quite successful with the 21-0-9 build but have never heard of 9-0-21 until today.... is that the gay-ass AP TF build?
I only run 9/21/0 when I play AP and 21//9/0 when I play DPS.
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On August 31 2010 00:05 myopia wrote:Here's my proest-Kennen-the-world-has-ever-known build in progress: + Show Spoiler +flash/ghost
9/21/0
mpen red/ energyreg plvl yellow/ cdr plvl blue/ energyreg quint
With pro energy runes, your regen will be improved by 28% at level 18. That + near max cdr + your passive = you never run out of gas in teamfights.
QWEWER / then focus on W + E, with the occasional point in Q to reduce its CD. (R at 11,16 obv)
doran's shield + hpot
doran's shield
boots 1
rageblade
sorc boots
nashor's tooth
abyssal scepter
zhonyas
rylais
the second shield makes a HUGE difference in laning and early teamfights. I like to bluepill as soon as I hit 800 gold for it+boots. Get that negatron for abyssal fast you need it. Everything else is self explanatory. I've improved a lot with him over the past few days, he takes some finesse but he's become my second favorite champ (Nasus for life)
i dont know, lots of game when my team has good initial like shen or taric or kat, i can get away with 21-9-0 or 21-8-1 and use items to cover the HP missing ^^
and why you get rylais last? if i cant get rylai b4 15 mins mark, i would never get it bc afterward is mostly turrets war but kill/death
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Actually the games almost never go long enough for me to get rylais, I don't think it's that good on Kennen tbh, it's just something for me to buy once I've got everything else.
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look up Azen Zagenite's games on lolbase or in game if you wanna see good Kennen builds. That dude's Kennen is way too good (and has been since pre-buff, lol).
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Huh, he goes AD/AS Kennen if the rest of his team has magic damage, and when he does go AP I don't see rageblade or nashors. Interesting.
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for whatever it's worth, I don't think I ever saw him go AP pre-buff. I think Nashor's is a bad idea on AP Kennen because the AS is not terribly useful. Obviously it helps get maybe another auto-attack proc from your W in a teamfight, but without the AD to make that proc add significant amounts of damage, that's an awful big investment on a stat that otherwise doesn't pack a lot of punch (not to mention the wasted mana regen).
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Rylai's is amazing on Kennen. He is primarily a support hero (especially post-buff, since he can stun an entire team in about 1.5 seconds) and the slow + any of your abilities is simply amazing at keeping people nice and close.
Not to mention the extra health it gives you is nice.
My kennen build opens Tome + pot if I have a good laning partner (or someone who can heal) otherwise some kind of survivability item (typically Doran's shield). Get Rylais whenever you can + your boots as needed. Abyssal Scepter is generally my next item though depending on how the game is going I might opt to get a situational or survivability item first.
Note: Haunting Guise is a great item on Kennen (sometimes I open health crystal over doran's since it can be upgraded here) because it makes you less squishy while giving you a decent overall damage boost.
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Also, anyone got some tips on laning as Singed? I just picked him up yesterday and I have had some rough times last hitting / farming with him early on. He seems so squishy during those early levels.
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On August 31 2010 00:41 STS17 wrote:
Also, anyone got some tips on laning as Singed? I just picked him up yesterday and I have had some rough times last hitting / farming with him early on. He seems so squishy during those early levels.
I usually have no trouble laning as singed and getting many last hits with his poison trail and auto attack, what level are you and what masteries etc? I usually grab a mana crystal first so I can get RoA asap but if you are having trouble staying alive in your lane you might wanna pick up a dorans shield as your first item, but I typically max q first get one level of e for ganking and stuff. (Get this first if you wanna try for an early kill with a lane buddy) and max out his aoe slow 2nd so I can be effective ganking and in team fights. I grab ghost and fortify as my summoner spells since I generally am focusing more on tanking as singed, which is also why I only get 1 level in toss early on, but you could probably grab ignite and lvl toss faster if you prefer taking more kills. Anyway singed is awesome, heheh...
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On August 31 2010 00:38 Mogwai wrote:
for whatever it's worth, I don't think I ever saw him go AP pre-buff. I think Nashor's is a bad idea on AP Kennen because the AS is not terribly useful. Obviously it helps get maybe another auto-attack proc from your W in a teamfight, but without the AD to make that proc add significant amounts of damage, that's an awful big investment on a stat that otherwise doesn't pack a lot of punch (not to mention the wasted mana regen).
I get Nashors because the awesome AS + CDR synergizes very well with rageblade + boosted energy regen. Plus, the more I can lightning rush, the more I keep up the armor/mres proc, and I can fly across the map.
My bursty build + Kennen's passive is also why I don't feel Rylais is worth it on him. I'm already a stun bot and awesome chaser, is there much benefit dropping 3k gold on a 'meh' snare?
I occasionally get Haunting Guise, but most of the time sorc+abyssal is enough.
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On August 31 2010 00:41 STS17 wrote:
Also, anyone got some tips on laning as Singed? I just picked him up yesterday and I have had some rough times last hitting / farming with him early on. He seems so squishy during those early levels.
Pretty much wait until level 4 and pick up a HoG as your first item, go eqqw then R>Q>W>E. Farm towards your first rod and figure out what you need from there. Don't worry about farming for the first 4 levels, just take easy creeps. Later on in the game you can pretty much farm 2-3 waves by just running down a lane so play it safe, you'll have one of the highest creep scores in the game regardless. If you have a good stunning partner you can try for some sweet stun-gas-toss kills too  .
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does anyone have that web page that showed when which heroes are free for the week?
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On August 31 2010 00:50 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 00:38 Mogwai wrote:
for whatever it's worth, I don't think I ever saw him go AP pre-buff. I think Nashor's is a bad idea on AP Kennen because the AS is not terribly useful. Obviously it helps get maybe another auto-attack proc from your W in a teamfight, but without the AD to make that proc add significant amounts of damage, that's an awful big investment on a stat that otherwise doesn't pack a lot of punch (not to mention the wasted mana regen). I get Nashors because the awesome AS + CDR synergizes very well with rageblade + boosted energy regen. Plus, the more I can lightning rush, the more I keep up the armor/mres proc, and I can fly across the map. My bursty build + Kennen's passive is also why I don't feel Rylais is worth it on him. I'm already a stun bot and awesome chaser, is there much benefit dropping 3k gold on a 'meh' snare? I occasionally get Haunting Guise, but most of the time sorc+abyssal is enough.
stop thinking of it as 3K on a snare, the real amount you're spending on the snare is really small. you pay a 700 recipe cost to turn 430 HP + 60 AP into 500 HP + 80 AP + Snare. The snare is mostly gravy, the item is an efficient form of grabbing AP + HP.
I dunno why you'd think GRB + Nashor's is "bursty" either... AS and CDR are both sustained damage stats.
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On August 31 2010 00:41 STS17 wrote:
Also, anyone got some tips on laning as Singed? I just picked him up yesterday and I have had some rough times last hitting / farming with him early on. He seems so squishy during those early levels.
At level 1, you're pretty weak and shouldn't be in melee range of most other melee heroes. Wait until lvl 2 or 3 before you start actively harassing. People that desperately want to close in on you (Xin Xhao, Garen) are not normally afraid of your Fling unless you're close to tower. The best way to deal with these types is to troll and bait them and make sure they are punished heavily for closing on you. Always be wary of someone with a Slow because you are usually moving in and out through the creeps and a normally harmless Slow can cause you to be "suddenly" way out of position.
At level 6, just hit R and 1v5 the enemy team at their Nexus.
Also, keep in mind that you can quick-toggle your Q and it will do just as much damage as a "sustained" Q. So if you toggle Q on then quickly toggle it off, you will get one puff of gas costing 13 mana that will damage everything around you until the puff timer runs out. Use this early game to conserve your energy for Fling.
Later on, I find it's not a problem and I often just leave Q on for the lulz.
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On August 31 2010 01:21 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 00:50 myopia wrote:On August 31 2010 00:38 Mogwai wrote:
for whatever it's worth, I don't think I ever saw him go AP pre-buff. I think Nashor's is a bad idea on AP Kennen because the AS is not terribly useful. Obviously it helps get maybe another auto-attack proc from your W in a teamfight, but without the AD to make that proc add significant amounts of damage, that's an awful big investment on a stat that otherwise doesn't pack a lot of punch (not to mention the wasted mana regen). I get Nashors because the awesome AS + CDR synergizes very well with rageblade + boosted energy regen. Plus, the more I can lightning rush, the more I keep up the armor/mres proc, and I can fly across the map. My bursty build + Kennen's passive is also why I don't feel Rylais is worth it on him. I'm already a stun bot and awesome chaser, is there much benefit dropping 3k gold on a 'meh' snare? I occasionally get Haunting Guise, but most of the time sorc+abyssal is enough. stop thinking of it as 3K on a snare, the real amount you're spending on the snare is really small. you pay a 700 recipe cost to turn 430 HP + 60 AP into 500 HP + 80 AP + Snare. The snare is mostly gravy, the item is an efficient form of grabbing AP + HP. I dunno why you'd think GRB + Nashor's is "bursty" either... AS and CDR are both sustained damage stats.
Max CDR puts all his abilities on <4 second timers. I unload my skills more, the more marks I place, the more I stun, I get more energy back, I burst again. (maybe I'm using the burst term wrong)
The CDR is key to abusing his passive, which I think is better than Rylais. I don't see a more efficient AP/CDR combo than rageblade and nashors.
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I hate CDR, so I'm probably the wrong person to talk to about this, lol.
EDIT: to be more precise, I just think that Kennen is more limitted by Energy than he is by Cooldowns, so I just don't think you get nearly enough bang for your buck on an item like Nashor's.
EDIT 2: holy shit! someone on LoL forums just suggested Madred's Razors on Sion so that when you use your ult in a teamfight near creep, you can just wail on creeps and then whenever you get a madred's proc, it's practically a soraka ult for your team LOL. That's gotta be the single most brilliant thing I've ever heard. Now I wanna jungle Sion especially hard.
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On August 31 2010 01:50 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 01:21 Mogwai wrote:On August 31 2010 00:50 myopia wrote:On August 31 2010 00:38 Mogwai wrote:
for whatever it's worth, I don't think I ever saw him go AP pre-buff. I think Nashor's is a bad idea on AP Kennen because the AS is not terribly useful. Obviously it helps get maybe another auto-attack proc from your W in a teamfight, but without the AD to make that proc add significant amounts of damage, that's an awful big investment on a stat that otherwise doesn't pack a lot of punch (not to mention the wasted mana regen). I get Nashors because the awesome AS + CDR synergizes very well with rageblade + boosted energy regen. Plus, the more I can lightning rush, the more I keep up the armor/mres proc, and I can fly across the map. My bursty build + Kennen's passive is also why I don't feel Rylais is worth it on him. I'm already a stun bot and awesome chaser, is there much benefit dropping 3k gold on a 'meh' snare? I occasionally get Haunting Guise, but most of the time sorc+abyssal is enough. stop thinking of it as 3K on a snare, the real amount you're spending on the snare is really small. you pay a 700 recipe cost to turn 430 HP + 60 AP into 500 HP + 80 AP + Snare. The snare is mostly gravy, the item is an efficient form of grabbing AP + HP. I dunno why you'd think GRB + Nashor's is "bursty" either... AS and CDR are both sustained damage stats. Max CDR puts all his abilities on <4 second timers. I unload my skills more, the more marks I place, the more I stun, I get more energy back, I burst again. (maybe I'm using the burst term wrong) The CDR is key to abusing his passive, which I think is better than Rylais. I don't see a more efficient AP/CDR combo than rageblade and nashors.
Since you apparently can't be argued out of the CDR, let me at least show you the light that is not getting GRB for an AP Kennen build. Abyssal Scepter is 400 more gold, for 5 less AP(counting GRB at 8 stacks, which you obviously have to build to, takes a full combo+a few auto attacks), but you don't waste the AD and gain the aura(which is far more damage than 5 ap) and precious MR.
Or, a NLR is 600 less gold, for 5 more AP, and builds into Zhonya's.
For what it's worth I'd personally drop the cdr(and the energy runes, since without the cdr you no longer need them) and play either straight AP or the AD/AS hybrid.
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On August 31 2010 01:50 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 01:21 Mogwai wrote:On August 31 2010 00:50 myopia wrote:On August 31 2010 00:38 Mogwai wrote:
for whatever it's worth, I don't think I ever saw him go AP pre-buff. I think Nashor's is a bad idea on AP Kennen because the AS is not terribly useful. Obviously it helps get maybe another auto-attack proc from your W in a teamfight, but without the AD to make that proc add significant amounts of damage, that's an awful big investment on a stat that otherwise doesn't pack a lot of punch (not to mention the wasted mana regen). I get Nashors because the awesome AS + CDR synergizes very well with rageblade + boosted energy regen. Plus, the more I can lightning rush, the more I keep up the armor/mres proc, and I can fly across the map. My bursty build + Kennen's passive is also why I don't feel Rylais is worth it on him. I'm already a stun bot and awesome chaser, is there much benefit dropping 3k gold on a 'meh' snare? I occasionally get Haunting Guise, but most of the time sorc+abyssal is enough. stop thinking of it as 3K on a snare, the real amount you're spending on the snare is really small. you pay a 700 recipe cost to turn 430 HP + 60 AP into 500 HP + 80 AP + Snare. The snare is mostly gravy, the item is an efficient form of grabbing AP + HP. I dunno why you'd think GRB + Nashor's is "bursty" either... AS and CDR are both sustained damage stats. Max CDR puts all his abilities on <4 second timers. I unload my skills more, the more marks I place, the more I stun, I get more energy back, I burst again. (maybe I'm using the burst term wrong) The CDR is key to abusing his passive, which I think is better than Rylais. I don't see a more efficient AP/CDR combo than rageblade and nashors.
Too bad that Frozen Heart/Archangels is not really good on Ninjas :p
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