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G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
August 24 2010 02:03 GMT
#14061
was browsing joystiq today and noticed that LoL got nominated by GDC for "best online technical"

lolol
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 24 2010 02:09 GMT
#14062
On August 24 2010 10:43 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 10:09 Phrost wrote:
On August 24 2010 09:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Guys I don't really play ezreal but what do you think about opening triple longsword on him (brutalizer -> longsword -> phage) after meki? I kinda raped with it, it gave me enough damage to farm my way into a BF sword. Anyone got any advice on playing ezreal? I mean I know the basics but just roughly. Skill order/masteries/tips/build for AD would be appreciated. Thanks!


Currently if you play him glass cannon and are able to effectively predict enemy movement (forward and backward) then you can snowball the game very quickly.

I go 21/0/9 masteries with ARP marks and quints, mp5 seals and glyphs

For items I start with doran's blade and a health potion
First trip to base I buy boots and a longsword or two

Eventually build brutalizer, 1-2 bf swords, then finish the mercury treads, and stack bf swords until you dont have any more inventory space. Then turn 2 into bloodthirsters and one into an infinity edge. If the game is still going sell your doran's blade and buy a banshee's veil.

For skills I go

QEQEQR then R>Q>E>W

I would changet that if they have significant physical dps or extremely quickly attacking dps.

Use auto attack to harass early and push the enemy away from their creeps, it makes it 110% easier to line up mystic shots that way.

do you get ghostblade with brutalizer ?
i usually level w-> e
does same amount of dmg, and u dont have to get as close as u do with the e, and it gives a little AoE attack speed?



Eventually I'd make a ghost blade but I dont find the crit as rewarding as the pure damage from more BF swords.

I level E over W because the cooldown goes down with each rank.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
August 24 2010 02:22 GMT
#14063
Your underestimating mummys damage output W+E = a TON of damage
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 24 2010 02:30 GMT
#14064
W is ~50 dps on a 1500 hp champ, E is potentially 175/s if you're being attacked often enough, and R is 150/s for it's duration. In his initiation, Amumu does something around 600ish to everyone caught in R, + bandage toss damage to his target.

And I wasn't agreeing with you because you had things broken down into CV vs EHP shit, when the people with the highest 'CV' per your formula, happen to be the people with the highest EHP as well, so saying that there's a scenario where 'CV' champs are best and 'EHP' champs are best separately, when they're the same champs, makes no sense.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 03:04:36
August 24 2010 02:51 GMT
#14065
Unprotected sex is like fast expanding in close positions. Its risky, but feels great when it works out
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 02:58:22
August 24 2010 02:53 GMT
#14066
On August 24 2010 10:15 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 10:09 redtooth wrote:
On August 24 2010 10:08 phyvo wrote:
I'm just not finding LoL that fun anymore. It's only fun when I play with people I know IRL (translation: when my brother plays with me). Even then I don't feel like a great player. I don't like the F2P system and grinding. I dislike dealing with allegations of noobishness and e-peen strutting.

I tried playing ARAM for more lulz as people would have it, but ARAM isn't fun because 80% of the time one team or the other is completely screwed over by team comp and/or leavers.

I also suck at last hitting with Nidalee and sucking sucks.

I wonder if without the F2P system and the grind LoL would be gathering dust on my hard drive just like TF2 is.
holy fuck. this guy knows me way too fucking well.


Ya you are pretty fucking bad...

Also I really think the 'grind' gets at me more than anything else in this game. All the other shit I might complain about is present in pretty much any multiplayer game(balance issues, people you don't like for whatever reason, other shit I'm just not thinking of right now). I would enjoy LoL a lot more(especially with my champion ADD where I can't pick a main) if I could just like, play the champs, rune how I wanted, without grinding either 1000 games or throwing down 100 bones.

If HoN and LoL switched payment plans(obviously completely impossible this long into the game's retail life, I don't have that unrealistic expectation) I'd probably be having a much better time playing it.


I feel like in one year, I KNOW I won't still be playing this game, because runes just add too much farming. At some point my desire to learn is going to be blocked by the fact I won't have enough grind stored up and it's going to be crazy frustrating.

tf2 is actually a perfect example of the same thing. At some point I got bored with the game, uninstalled it because pubs were making me rage and comp play was awful, and jumped ship to quake live. I've considered messing around in it again, but I won't have access to any of the new shit without tedious grinding so there's no point.

Unfortunately this game includes a great deal of ''virtual skill' - the skill your character has rather than you. The reason the whole model seems punishing to somebody with a competitive streak is because the way we think of it, you gain access to the full powers of an item by being good with it. For example, in quake, the plasma gun might as well not exist unless you have enormous skill with it. Imagine if somebody told you you had to 'craft' a plasma gun in quake to use it. It would be redundant.

I'm not saying there isn't player skill in LoL, btw, just that it's squeezed by the grind model which is based around virtual skill.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
August 24 2010 02:58 GMT
#14067
On August 24 2010 11:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 10:15 red_ wrote:
On August 24 2010 10:09 redtooth wrote:
On August 24 2010 10:08 phyvo wrote:
I'm just not finding LoL that fun anymore. It's only fun when I play with people I know IRL (translation: when my brother plays with me). Even then I don't feel like a great player. I don't like the F2P system and grinding. I dislike dealing with allegations of noobishness and e-peen strutting.

I tried playing ARAM for more lulz as people would have it, but ARAM isn't fun because 80% of the time one team or the other is completely screwed over by team comp and/or leavers.

I also suck at last hitting with Nidalee and sucking sucks.

I wonder if without the F2P system and the grind LoL would be gathering dust on my hard drive just like TF2 is.
holy fuck. this guy knows me way too fucking well.


Ya you are pretty fucking bad...

Also I really think the 'grind' gets at me more than anything else in this game. All the other shit I might complain about is present in pretty much any multiplayer game(balance issues, people you don't like for whatever reason, other shit I'm just not thinking of right now). I would enjoy LoL a lot more(especially with my champion ADD where I can't pick a main) if I could just like, play the champs, rune how I wanted, without grinding either 1000 games or throwing down 100 bones.

If HoN and LoL switched payment plans(obviously completely impossible this long into the game's retail life, I don't have that unrealistic expectation) I'd probably be having a much better time playing it.


I feel like in one year, I KNOW I won't still be playing this game, because runes just add too much farming. At some point my desire to learn is going to be blocked by the fact I won't have enough grind stored up and it's going to be crazy frustrating.

tf2 is actually a perfect example of the same thing. At some point I got bored with the game, uninstalled it because pubs were making me rage and comp play was awful, and jumped ship to quake live. I've considered messing around in it again, but I won't have access to any of the new shit without tedious grinding so there's no point.

Unfortunately this game includes a great deal of ''virtual skill' - the skill your character has rather than you. The reason the whole model seems punishing to somebody with a competitive streak is because the way we think of it, you gain access to the full powers of an item by being good with it. For example, in quake, the plasma gun might as well not exist unless you have enormous skill with it. Imagine if somebody told you you had to 'craft' a plasma gun in quake to use it. It would be redundant, hence, annoying.

I'm not saying there isn't player skill in LoL, btw, just that it's squeezed by the grind model which is based around virtual skill.

And that's exactly what you get for not paying anything for the game. Either shell out the $30 to get the heroes (and by the time you're 30, you'll have 3 rune books full of runes because you don't need to spend IP on anything else) or grind it and not pay one red cent.

This F2P model is awesome, grinders like me who have been desensitized by WoW and other games can play a fun, engaging game even though we're broke college students who can't afford most mainstream titles, while letting casuals willing to pay for the game play on the same level as us.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
August 24 2010 02:59 GMT
#14068
tbh I don't see what all the fuss is with grinding IP. runes don't even remotely matter until you're good enough... pretty sure any of the good players here on TL could play with no runes/masteries and just stomp all over a sub-lvl 30. by the time you're good enough for runes to matter, you'll have played more than enough games to afford them.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 24 2010 03:02 GMT
#14069
WHATCHU KNOW BOUT BOOTS-GATH?

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I'm on GOLD CHAIN
SaikOuLighT
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada742 Posts
August 24 2010 03:08 GMT
#14070
I have a question. Which hero would be best to spend my first 6300 ip on? I kinda have a preference for heroes that can carry, so right now i am thinking of getting ez. Any suggestions?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 24 2010 03:13 GMT
#14071
On August 24 2010 12:08 ariK wrote:
I have a question. Which hero would be best to spend my first 6300 ip on? I kinda have a preference for heroes that can carry, so right now i am thinking of getting ez. Any suggestions?

Honestly? Save your IP until you find a free champion that you LOVE. Maybe you, too, can be the #1 CHOGATH.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 24 2010 03:15 GMT
#14072
if you're dead set on a 6300 champ, Ez is the obvious choice. Vlad can roll pubs pretty hard too @ 6300 ip.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 03:20:57
August 24 2010 03:18 GMT
#14073
Imo get Kayle if u want a carry, 450 Ip, then save the rest for after you tried a free champ you really like

I also don't really feel like this game is a grind at all, and I enjoy the F2P aspect :D... if you play enough you should have most of the runes and any champion you want
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
August 24 2010 03:20 GMT
#14074
Haha, the question is, what movespeed did u have? I hope it was the 5 out of combat lol.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
August 24 2010 03:20 GMT
#14075
A good vlad can just roll low ELO without any trouble. A good Ezrael can do a really good job of rolling low ELO but sometimes he needs help
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 03:24:30
August 24 2010 03:23 GMT
#14076
On August 24 2010 11:58 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 11:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
On August 24 2010 10:15 red_ wrote:
On August 24 2010 10:09 redtooth wrote:
On August 24 2010 10:08 phyvo wrote:
I'm just not finding LoL that fun anymore. It's only fun when I play with people I know IRL (translation: when my brother plays with me). Even then I don't feel like a great player. I don't like the F2P system and grinding. I dislike dealing with allegations of noobishness and e-peen strutting.

I tried playing ARAM for more lulz as people would have it, but ARAM isn't fun because 80% of the time one team or the other is completely screwed over by team comp and/or leavers.

I also suck at last hitting with Nidalee and sucking sucks.

I wonder if without the F2P system and the grind LoL would be gathering dust on my hard drive just like TF2 is.
holy fuck. this guy knows me way too fucking well.


Ya you are pretty fucking bad...

Also I really think the 'grind' gets at me more than anything else in this game. All the other shit I might complain about is present in pretty much any multiplayer game(balance issues, people you don't like for whatever reason, other shit I'm just not thinking of right now). I would enjoy LoL a lot more(especially with my champion ADD where I can't pick a main) if I could just like, play the champs, rune how I wanted, without grinding either 1000 games or throwing down 100 bones.

If HoN and LoL switched payment plans(obviously completely impossible this long into the game's retail life, I don't have that unrealistic expectation) I'd probably be having a much better time playing it.


I feel like in one year, I KNOW I won't still be playing this game, because runes just add too much farming. At some point my desire to learn is going to be blocked by the fact I won't have enough grind stored up and it's going to be crazy frustrating.

tf2 is actually a perfect example of the same thing. At some point I got bored with the game, uninstalled it because pubs were making me rage and comp play was awful, and jumped ship to quake live. I've considered messing around in it again, but I won't have access to any of the new shit without tedious grinding so there's no point.

Unfortunately this game includes a great deal of ''virtual skill' - the skill your character has rather than you. The reason the whole model seems punishing to somebody with a competitive streak is because the way we think of it, you gain access to the full powers of an item by being good with it. For example, in quake, the plasma gun might as well not exist unless you have enormous skill with it. Imagine if somebody told you you had to 'craft' a plasma gun in quake to use it. It would be redundant, hence, annoying.

I'm not saying there isn't player skill in LoL, btw, just that it's squeezed by the grind model which is based around virtual skill.

And that's exactly what you get for not paying anything for the game. Either shell out the $30 to get the heroes (and by the time you're 30, you'll have 3 rune books full of runes because you don't need to spend IP on anything else) or grind it and not pay one red cent.

This F2P model is awesome, grinders like me who have been desensitized by WoW and other games can play a fun, engaging game even though we're broke college students who can't afford most mainstream titles, while letting casuals willing to pay for the game play on the same level as us.


Actually it's 40 to buy all of them, but if I were going to drop money on the whole thing, I'd just buy hon which is more full featured and stable. Or more realistically, wait for valve dota.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 24 2010 03:24 GMT
#14077
I seriously can't take much more of riot's shitty servers.

Does something have to go wrong every at least once every day?
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
August 24 2010 03:26 GMT
#14078
I like the rune and mastery aspect of LoL, adds a lot of variety to how champs can be played. I just wish they adjusted hero pricing by how used/useful they are - I miss playing Kennen but there's no way he's worth 975/6300 :<
it's my first day
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 24 2010 03:28 GMT
#14079
On August 24 2010 12:20 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Haha, the question is, what movespeed did u have? I hope it was the 5 out of combat lol.


Well, when uniques overlap you get the best one. So I assume his movespeed increase was 5 outside of combat and 3 while in it.
Cheese is good for you!
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
August 24 2010 03:28 GMT
#14080
On August 24 2010 12:26 myopia wrote:
I like the rune and mastery aspect of LoL, adds a lot of variety to how champs can be played. I just wish they adjusted hero pricing by how used/useful they are - I miss playing Kennen but there's no way he's worth 975/6300 :<



i like it as well but tbh, the masteries need to be expanded on and changed, there is no reason to not get atleast 9-10 in utility on EVERY toon, offensive is absolutely useless past the mpen for me.. runes are done ok, but rune pages themselves are a little pricey imo i have 5 rune pages, and I use ALL 5 for ranked but then again I play udyr and garen ... those kind of different champs need their own page
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