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Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 04:56:59
August 16 2010 04:42 GMT
#12341
I hate shaco.

Is suppression working on WW yet? I didn't see any nerfs to him. Hard to tell if ppl cleanse out of ult too as it seems there's many escapes to it. Seems to do jack shit half the time.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 16 2010 04:53 GMT
#12342
On August 16 2010 06:49 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 05:03 BraveGhost wrote:
On August 16 2010 04:58 AlTheCake wrote:
I don't really post often in this thread, but after the patch (the one where nunu's consume got a buff) I decided to get nunu since I didn't have a jungler. I've never jungled before though, and I have no idea what my pattern should be or what items I should get first.

Can anyome please help? ):

I tried looking for some guides on leaguecraft and mobafire, but I couldn't find any good jungling guides... Also, are junglers rune dependent? I don't have very good runes :/



Nunu is a very easy jungler, I only tried him once since the patch, but QWQE(then MAX w) ... cloth armor + a few pots... smite... and it was very simple.. you can do golem first, or whatever .. still not my favorite jungler by far though..

Runes for jungling.. meh im pretty sure you can get by with nunu if you start at small golems or something


Getting a 2nd level of Consume is a huge waste, also Ice Blast > Blood Boil early I'd say, with maybe some odd circumstances warranting otherwise. BB is a quicker jungle, but Ice Blast is a much better gank(and your jungling is already pretty quick with smite+consume). W will be at it's best when you have a carry around to throw it on, which probably won't consistently be until later in the game, and at that point you will have points in it(maxed by lvl 12).

I've done it a few times now in normal games for fun, and started mana golem, but if you don't have flat cdr glyphs and go 9/0/21 I don't think your 2nd consume comes up in time to save your life.


Newbie here confirming you can't do golem first with vanilla nunu. :< Cloth Armor + Smite + Ignite + Consume + Pot and you still lose, although it's close.

I've been jungling a bunch yesterday and today, first time trying it, and it's kind of hard to get a gank off at all with nunu when you've gone cloth + pots, you just don't do that much damage. Depending on the team it might be better to go QWEW.

On a side note, ignite is really underwhelming to me so far, in the same league as revive and clarity. It does almost no damage... is there something I'm missing about it?
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 05:04:21
August 16 2010 05:01 GMT
#12343
On August 16 2010 13:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 06:49 red_ wrote:
On August 16 2010 05:03 BraveGhost wrote:
On August 16 2010 04:58 AlTheCake wrote:
I don't really post often in this thread, but after the patch (the one where nunu's consume got a buff) I decided to get nunu since I didn't have a jungler. I've never jungled before though, and I have no idea what my pattern should be or what items I should get first.

Can anyome please help? ):

I tried looking for some guides on leaguecraft and mobafire, but I couldn't find any good jungling guides... Also, are junglers rune dependent? I don't have very good runes :/



Nunu is a very easy jungler, I only tried him once since the patch, but QWQE(then MAX w) ... cloth armor + a few pots... smite... and it was very simple.. you can do golem first, or whatever .. still not my favorite jungler by far though..

Runes for jungling.. meh im pretty sure you can get by with nunu if you start at small golems or something


Getting a 2nd level of Consume is a huge waste, also Ice Blast > Blood Boil early I'd say, with maybe some odd circumstances warranting otherwise. BB is a quicker jungle, but Ice Blast is a much better gank(and your jungling is already pretty quick with smite+consume). W will be at it's best when you have a carry around to throw it on, which probably won't consistently be until later in the game, and at that point you will have points in it(maxed by lvl 12).

I've done it a few times now in normal games for fun, and started mana golem, but if you don't have flat cdr glyphs and go 9/0/21 I don't think your 2nd consume comes up in time to save your life.


Newbie here confirming you can't do golem first with vanilla nunu. :< Cloth Armor + Smite + Ignite + Consume + Pot and you still lose, although it's close.

I've been jungling a bunch yesterday and today, first time trying it, and it's kind of hard to get a gank off at all with nunu when you've gone cloth + pots, you just don't do that much damage. Depending on the team it might be better to go QWEW.

On a side note, ignite is really underwhelming to me so far, in the same league as revive and clarity. It does almost no damage... is there something I'm missing about it?


Take ghost, it's much better for ganking then ignite... ignite sort of helps jungling but I don't think it's needed at all... Ganking is fine you dont need to do a ton of damage when you gank.. you might not always get 2 but check their summoner spells and then E your target + W on ally it helps the most and then auto attack with red it's usually a kill if you ping and tell your team mates your doing it, but just look at the lanes and see which is best... dont gank if theres nothing there, go jungle and tell the people with weak players sitting under their tower to stop auto attacking so much.. waiting and sitting in bushes for a gank that's not gonna happen slows down your leveling/$$$ which sucks... I don't do much damage with the junglers I play but ganking is so easy with them at the low level of play Im at(1300)

edit: also go ahead and ask people if they want to go back and buy and cover the empty lanes if they went without telling you.. I try to constantly watch lanes when im jungling.. its fun to cover and let them see your mid go back and tell your mid that's lvl 6 that just went down to buy to gank somewhere asap it's rarely called out.. also covering prevents tower losses and gains you more moneyz
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
August 16 2010 05:02 GMT
#12344
On August 16 2010 11:52 NB wrote:
I FUCKING HATE THE MUSIC AT PICKING PHASE! anybody know how to turn it down?



Use windows mixer to mute lollauncher. I haven't heard it in a long time now :D


Also I finally started playing soloqueue ranked seriously (duo queue with a friend). Can anybody tell me what percentage of people are at 1400 and higher? I just broke 1400 yesterday and I'm wondering how much further I can climb, especially with people going on massive losing streaks.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 05:16:14
August 16 2010 05:06 GMT
#12345
On August 16 2010 13:42 Khul Sadukar wrote:
I hate shaco.

Is suppression working on WW yet? I didn't see any nerfs to him. Hard to tell if ppl cleanse out of ult too as it seems there's many escapes to it. Seems to do jack shit half the time.


I could have sworn I cleansed a few times with kayle just yesterday or the day before... I didn't know that suppresion was implemented.

Also on the whole theme of last page.. I tried twitch today, got a quadra kill second game :D... poor Redtooth.. buy a runepage??? :D
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 16 2010 05:16 GMT
#12346
On August 16 2010 14:02 Athos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 11:52 NB wrote:
I FUCKING HATE THE MUSIC AT PICKING PHASE! anybody know how to turn it down?



Use windows mixer to mute lollauncher. I haven't heard it in a long time now :D


Also I finally started playing soloqueue ranked seriously (duo queue with a friend). Can anybody tell me what percentage of people are at 1400 and higher? I just broke 1400 yesterday and I'm wondering how much further I can climb, especially with people going on massive losing streaks.

window XP ftw.... yeah, FTW!!!

its anoyed me since the volume of that music is ridiculous high compare to other musics in game and normally, you wana listen to smthing else in ban pick phase zzz
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 05:22:59
August 16 2010 05:22 GMT
#12347
On August 16 2010 13:33 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 13:09 BlackHat wrote:
So I was playing Kayle and Shaco showed up for a gank. I used heal and invincible to get away. He proceeds to send in the clone to tower dive and the turret promptly blows it up, killing me with the damn explosion. fml
let's do more of this.
i was in duo que with smash and someone picked nidalee. my kat runes weren't available. fml.

edit: we got qued with vman on our team. fml.

i'm used to playing not-tanks so when i play amumu, I frequently follow my teammates doing something stupid because I'm not used to being the tank who needs to hold onto his ult always, no matter how badly you wanna try to save someone from being a retard, fml.

I still manage to win though. No idea how i get away with throwing so many mummy ults away.
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ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
August 16 2010 06:03 GMT
#12348
On August 16 2010 14:16 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 14:02 Athos wrote:
On August 16 2010 11:52 NB wrote:
I FUCKING HATE THE MUSIC AT PICKING PHASE! anybody know how to turn it down?



Use windows mixer to mute lollauncher. I haven't heard it in a long time now :D


Also I finally started playing soloqueue ranked seriously (duo queue with a friend). Can anybody tell me what percentage of people are at 1400 and higher? I just broke 1400 yesterday and I'm wondering how much further I can climb, especially with people going on massive losing streaks.

window XP ftw.... yeah, FTW!!!

its anoyed me since the volume of that music is ridiculous high compare to other musics in game and normally, you wana listen to smthing else in ban pick phase zzz

Why don't you just turn off the music in the options.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
August 16 2010 06:23 GMT
#12349
On August 16 2010 14:22 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 13:33 redtooth wrote:
On August 16 2010 13:09 BlackHat wrote:
So I was playing Kayle and Shaco showed up for a gank. I used heal and invincible to get away. He proceeds to send in the clone to tower dive and the turret promptly blows it up, killing me with the damn explosion. fml
let's do more of this.
i was in duo que with smash and someone picked nidalee. my kat runes weren't available. fml.

edit: we got qued with vman on our team. fml.
i'm used to playing not-tanks so when i play amumu, I frequently follow my teammates doing something stupid because I'm not used to being the tank who needs to hold onto his ult always, no matter how badly you wanna try to save someone from being a retard, fml.

I still manage to win though. No idea how i get away with throwing so many mummy ults away.
because that second game i had two towers down before lvl 11. nidalee beating kayle, looool. i was seriously about to rage at you after all those ridiculous fights. seriously, just let me afk-farm in peace without having to worry about you guys.
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G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 07:10:39
August 16 2010 07:10 GMT
#12350
if you're jungle mumu and there's a jungle shaco who's denying you exp with constant jitbs everywhere and ganks, what's the proper response?

I warded both buffs, dragon, a few bushes, etc. but I still got ganked at lvl 2, denied golem/lizard/dragon etc.

if I ask my team to help, they're losing exp/gold as well, so I dunno

should I just quit and lane?
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
August 16 2010 07:47 GMT
#12351
On August 16 2010 16:10 G0dly wrote:
if you're jungle mumu and there's a jungle shaco who's denying you exp with constant jitbs everywhere and ganks, what's the proper response?

I warded both buffs, dragon, a few bushes, etc. but I still got ganked at lvl 2, denied golem/lizard/dragon etc.

if I ask my team to help, they're losing exp/gold as well, so I dunno

should I just quit and lane?


How does he have time to run around to all those places and not be screwing himself over? how would a jitb stop you from killing creeps? A lot of what you say doesn't make sense. If you don't want to get ganked, don't get low on your hp.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 16 2010 07:53 GMT
#12352
Uh, that's why Nunu is an inferior jungler, and why Shaco is one of the most devastating in the game.
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Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
August 16 2010 08:00 GMT
#12353
mumu =/= nunu
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 16 2010 08:04 GMT
#12354
Zing! They look the same.

That's why Amumu is an inferior jungler, and why Shaco is one of the most devastating in the game.

Incidentally Udyr does the same thing to Amumu, if played correctly. It's just an unfortunate matter of fact :[ The only thing you can do is play around it and try to harass them as best you can, but because chasing Shaco is generally a waste of time there's even less you can do.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 16 2010 08:31 GMT
#12355
what masteries for AD ezreal? i think im doin 15/0/15 ( 3 in movement)
trying out these movement speed quints. lolz should be fun dying to nukers~!
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 16 2010 08:34 GMT
#12356
You die anyways! Zing!

I'd run X/21/X on any carry tbh, but I tend to prefer to play failsafe like that, so I dunno.
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
August 16 2010 08:39 GMT
#12357
Yay, I just got a quadra with amumu. They just lined up and let me kill them one right after the other.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 09:09:12
August 16 2010 09:07 GMT
#12358
meh on really really squishy ranged carries I think the 21 in defense is pretty useless after the laning phase if your out of position your dead... 21 in defense on every melee char though... im tired so I can't think of any I wouldn't do 21 in defense with .,, maybe ap sion or something?

edit: mummy is dumb, my highest win rate and most played just cause I can get him every game and he turns very grim games around at my elo.. having a jungler is also a bonus.. so it's great.. gonna be weird when im at the elo people ban/first or second pick him though... if it happens ...
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 16 2010 09:08 GMT
#12359
wtf movement speed quints are hugely overrated
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
August 16 2010 09:09 GMT
#12360
On August 16 2010 18:08 HeavOnEarth wrote:
wtf movement speed quints are hugely overrated


lol did you die anyways? Ive never tried em tbh.. I do notice the masteries though.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
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