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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 16 2010 15:33 GMT
#941
but they're probably hotfixing Ez today anyway, so you can go back to playing normal games =D
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 16 2010 15:35 GMT
#942
I'll believe it when I see it :x
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 16 2010 15:39 GMT
#943
true story: I played a game on my main account last night and neither team had an Ezreal. It was unreal.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 15:43:38
June 16 2010 15:40 GMT
#944
Does anyone know how elo is calculated? I'm wondering because as I've been maining Taric, I very rarely get more kills than deaths, but get plenty of assists. My solo queuing stats (with Taric) are something like 9 wins - 9 losses, 55-50-125. Is my K/D ratio going to keep me in lower skill games?
it's my first day
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
June 16 2010 15:42 GMT
#945
What level are you? If your <12-13 and you don't have an insane win/loss ratio, you going to be grouped with the lower leveled players. Just keep playing games and get your levels up.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 16 2010 15:44 GMT
#946
On June 17 2010 00:42 Repok wrote:
What level are you? If your <12-13 and you don't have an insane win/loss ratio, you going to be grouped with the lower leveled players. Just keep playing games and get your levels up.


I'm only level 11, so I know I'm still with the newbs. I'm just thinking about what will happen once I've got more than 30 games under my belt.
it's my first day
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 16 2010 15:48 GMT
#947
k/d/a has nothing to do with elo. Only win/loss matters.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 16 2010 15:49 GMT
#948
Seriously? No matter how well I do, a loss is a loss? What's the point of solo queuing then?
it's my first day
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 16 2010 15:52 GMT
#949
ummm, the point is that you don't have a premade to play with?
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 16 2010 15:53 GMT
#950
Because if you play phenomenally with Soraka/Janna you'll still end up with like a 1-5-40 record at low levels, and if the 1:5 k/d counts against you no one would play support/tank heroes...
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 16 2010 15:57 GMT
#951
Makes sense. It still makes it rough to play a support hero in solo queue though, because I can't save the game if the team I'm supporting is bad.
it's my first day
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 16 2010 16:00 GMT
#952
yea, but as a support, as Southlight's saying, even if you play phenomenally, it won't necessarily be reflected in stats.

I've played like garbage and cost my team the game with Pantheon or TF and still put up outrageous stat lines, and I've seen Southlight carry us with something like 0/6/19 Janna... stat lines are very deceiving.
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matthewfoulkes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom246 Posts
June 16 2010 16:35 GMT
#953
who is a good hero to be if i just wanna be a beefy huge ass tank, i see comments where people say you're not the best support, the best tank, best damager.
i just wanna be the best tank.
Lies? I Dont Tell lies! Thats no lie!
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
June 16 2010 16:42 GMT
#954
On June 17 2010 00:26 Mogwai wrote:
i just do

boots + 3HP pots
madred's razor
malady (lol, seriously, I do)
phage
finish bloodrazors
SotD
finish frozen mallet

w,e,e,w,e,r,e,w,e,w,w,w,r,q,q,q,r,q,q

9/21/0

magic pen, dodge, Mp5pL, flat HP

cleanse/ghost

when I play TF any more.

9/21/0?
SotD?
Sorry im very noob!:D
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 16:47:29
June 16 2010 16:44 GMT
#955
Has anyone ever used Quicksilver sash before? Does it work exactly like cleanse or is 'debuffs' only limited to something like exhaust? Can using its active get you out of a taunt?

If so...

It seems like an good item if you were playing some character and had say Ghost/Ignite and found out the enemy team has Malzahar, Morgana, Warwick, Amumu and Ashe on their team but I've never seen it actually used.

9/21/0 means with his masteries he has 9 points in Offence and 21 in Defence. Usually there is 9 in offence towards the Archaic Knowledge and 21 in defence is spread all over the place.

SotD = Sword of the Divine, an item which adds 100+ magic damage every fourth attack and grants you +40% attack speed. I've only really seen it used on TF.
Retvrn to Forvms
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 16 2010 16:47 GMT
#956
On June 17 2010 01:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 00:26 Mogwai wrote:
i just do

boots + 3HP pots
madred's razor
malady (lol, seriously, I do)
phage
finish bloodrazors
SotD
finish frozen mallet

w,e,e,w,e,r,e,w,e,w,w,w,r,q,q,q,r,q,q

9/21/0

magic pen, dodge, Mp5pL, flat HP

cleanse/ghost

when I play TF any more.

9/21/0?
SotD?
Sorry im very noob!:D


SotD = Sword of the Divine

9/21/0 = your mastery allocations (9 in offense, 21 in defense, 0 in utility)

w,e,e,w,e,r,e,w,e,w,w,w,r,q,q,q,r,q,q = the order you level up your skills

magic pen, dodge, Mp5pL, flat HP = runes you'll use once you're level 20+

cleanse/ghost = summoner spells
it's my first day
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 17:04:24
June 16 2010 16:58 GMT
#957
On June 17 2010 00:48 Mogwai wrote:
k/d/a has nothing to do with elo. Only win/loss matters.


no. this is not true, win loss may only matter in terms of whether you gain/lose elo, but the amount by which you gain/lose elo through wins/losses is dependent on various other factors and stats that are processed through their elo algorithm. It essentially judges whether or not you are predicted to win and changes the elo according to the result. I know for a fact that elo changes are heavily based on level, but i also would not be surprised if it took other things into account like champion played, k:d:a, and other stats like dmg taken, healed, dealt, and other things like building kills, etc.

Source: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/learn/matchmaking

EDIT: grammar fail
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 16 2010 17:03 GMT
#958
On June 17 2010 01:58 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 00:48 Mogwai wrote:
k/d/a has nothing to do with elo. Only win/loss matters.


no. this is not true, win loss may only matter in terms of whether you gain/lose elo, but the amount by which you gain/lose elo through wins/losses is dependent on various other factors and stats that are processed through their elo algorithm. It essentially judges whether or not you are predicted to win and changes the elo according to the result. I know for a fact that elo changes are heavily based on level, but i also would be surprised if it took other things into account like champion played, k:d:a, and other stats like dmg taken, healed, dealt, and other things like building kills, etc.

Source: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/learn/matchmaking


From that page itself:

Why don’t you include other little details like how many kills I had, etc, to determine my rating?

If we did, it would encourage players to focus on killing other players, instead of strategically winning the game. For instance, healers would receive undesirable Elo modification. By putting as many measurements and incentives as possible on winning, we avoid side behaviors that aren’t as fun, and which confuse the rating process.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
June 16 2010 17:07 GMT
#959
On June 17 2010 02:03 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 01:58 barbsq wrote:
On June 17 2010 00:48 Mogwai wrote:
k/d/a has nothing to do with elo. Only win/loss matters.


no. this is not true, win loss may only matter in terms of whether you gain/lose elo, but the amount by which you gain/lose elo through wins/losses is dependent on various other factors and stats that are processed through their elo algorithm. It essentially judges whether or not you are predicted to win and changes the elo according to the result. I know for a fact that elo changes are heavily based on level, but i also would be surprised if it took other things into account like champion played, k:d:a, and other stats like dmg taken, healed, dealt, and other things like building kills, etc.

Source: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/learn/matchmaking


From that page itself:

Show nested quote +
Why don’t you include other little details like how many kills I had, etc, to determine my rating?

If we did, it would encourage players to focus on killing other players, instead of strategically winning the game. For instance, healers would receive undesirable Elo modification. By putting as many measurements and incentives as possible on winning, we avoid side behaviors that aren’t as fun, and which confuse the rating process.


okay, so mybe k:d:a may have nothing to do with it, that quote doesnt necessarily mean that there arent other stats involved, i specifically remember reading an interview with a lead dev that addresses the fact that their elo system does include other stats than w/l
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 17:20:47
June 16 2010 17:14 GMT
#960
I remember reading an interview where they pondered trying to find some way to figure out if a person contributed more or less to a victory (or defeat) but I've not read anything where they've actually come up with a solution, much less implemented it. Not to mention there's almost always going to be inherent bias in such a solution, such as you're automatically shafting players who do a good job leading, because they're not necessarily going to be outputting "statistics." And of course the sheer amount of complexity in deciding that Player A who placed a ward for Player B to teleport to leading to the hilarious death of Player F means that Player A (who may or may not have been fucking around and costing his team the game by buying 50 billion wards) gets massive amount of credit for a potentially game-changing kill, etc. when in fact that player was screwing the team over etc. etc.

Or some Kat may end up like 20-2-10 in a game where Janna saved her ass 50 times, Janna couldn't stop raging about how "bad the Kat is" but when all's said and done statistically the Kat saved the day. How the heck would you determine via statistics whether the Kat actually kicked ass or if the Janna actually carried the game.

Edit:
Another very simple example, to strike down the possibility of using "assists."

If I were Soraka and I really wanted to, I could rack up assists like no other. All I have to do is watch my team, and whenever they're about to score a kill, hit R. By "healing" my teammate I am automatically accredited with an assist. That doesn't mean I'm helping my team, though. Not only am I being hugely detrimental (via stealing kill gold), I'm also wasting my ult. And for all we know while some scrub is watching the other side of the map to snipe an assist that scrub might let the guy in front of him die. Good luck quantifying that.
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