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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 21 2010 12:08 GMT
#7301
On July 21 2010 20:48 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 20:36 Hsanrb wrote:
PS: About normal queue for us who don't like the change, we'd prefer learning new champs in practice games rather than going into normal queue with the "Hey all, I'm using a champ first time, cut slack please." Not to mention they haven't implemented draft into normal play or allow for draft in practice rooms to satisfy those who want to play under those rules. If when I click normal I can go into casual draft rooms I'd play that over normal blind pick. Hopefully when practice rooms return I can go into practice draft and get the best of both worlds.


Just as a note (I'm not gonna touch on the <30 stuff),
I'm of the opinion (oft-repeated) that practice games are junk for testing anything. I think it's like
Practice - you find out what the skills do
Normal - you find out how it fares against decent opponents

90% of the time you can sleepwalk through practice games just because most people there are really, really bad.


I'm with you on the practice games. Pretty much their only purpose is for loading a game vs bots, checking attack animation for last hitting, checking ranges/how skills work, or practicing a jungle pattern(or if jungling is even possible.. sorry Kog'Maw I tried to find a way you'd be decent!).

Even then that could be overkill, you really only need a true practice game for unique/rare champions that you can't 'learn' just by seeing others play them.

Anyone going to a practice game that isn't there to goof off, or because they are really bad, is probably testing out something very simple/quick, and then quitting(and that's why they went to practice, to not get a leave/loss).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
July 21 2010 12:13 GMT
#7302
Even then that could be overkill, you really only need a true practice game for unique/rare champions that you can't 'learn' just by seeing others play them.


Well, the mentioned Lay Waste is useless to practice vs bots. You need to waste a few games in mid to understand how powerful this skill really is as a harassing tool. Bots just won't dodge and won't show movement patterns akin to human.

As for jundgling, bot games are a must. There's no telling how well you can jungle in a specific pattern until you try it and dying to creeps is both humiliating and almost impossible to recover from.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 21 2010 12:14 GMT
#7303
On July 21 2010 21:06 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 21:03 r33k wrote:
On July 21 2010 21:00 BluzMan wrote:
Lay Waste is all about mind games.

Does anybody else think that newly released champions should have a 'cooldown' period when they're unavailable for ranked and tournament play?

PS: The new champ looks cool. I wanna be a freaking vampire.

Could be interesting but technically they already went through beta testing and if top players are going to only play ranked games with the occasional unranked game "for fun" it's going to be hard to balance the char after release.

Basically all the feedback you'd get would be from newbies.


And then Xin Zhao would be nerfed to the ground, Pantheon would never have been nerfed, Annie and Fiddle would also be nerfed like hell, and Janna woulda been unchanged!

Poor Pantheon, if he would have been left unchanged counterpicking would have forced more ppl to learn Poppy...

Just a random thought, I revaluated Poppy in the last week, as long as you don't fuck up her shove she's an awesome DPS, pretty much like another gay focus-me-last DPS like ww but with an interrupt and no need to itemize vs tanks.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 21 2010 12:15 GMT
#7304
On July 21 2010 21:13 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
Even then that could be overkill, you really only need a true practice game for unique/rare champions that you can't 'learn' just by seeing others play them.


Well, the mentioned Lay Waste is useless to practice vs bots. You need to waste a few games in mid to understand how powerful this skill really is as a harassing tool. Bots just won't dodge and won't show movement patterns akin to human.

As for jundgling, bot games are a must. There's no telling how well you can jungle in a specific pattern until you try it and dying to creeps is both humiliating and almost impossible to recover from.


I die to creep all the time. I recover all the time. No biggy!
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 21 2010 12:18 GMT
#7305
On July 21 2010 21:15 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 21:13 BluzMan wrote:
Even then that could be overkill, you really only need a true practice game for unique/rare champions that you can't 'learn' just by seeing others play them.


Well, the mentioned Lay Waste is useless to practice vs bots. You need to waste a few games in mid to understand how powerful this skill really is as a harassing tool. Bots just won't dodge and won't show movement patterns akin to human.

As for jundgling, bot games are a must. There's no telling how well you can jungle in a specific pattern until you try it and dying to creeps is both humiliating and almost impossible to recover from.


I die to creep all the time. I recover all the time. No biggy!

(Russians are sensible to BM), also I don't like dying to creeps either T.T

There needs to be a sandbox mode... Also how about the new maps they announced?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 12:24:25
July 21 2010 12:19 GMT
#7306
I don't think they ever announced a new map except for saying they were working on one. And it's tough to balance a map >_> It took them a long time to get TT right.

Edit:
Practice games are only useful to gauge how much life/mana you lose per creep spawn, but the real test is what you do when you face adversity - most junglers really fail at this. The last game I played I jungled Amumu and they 5-man robbed Golem and warded their own, so I remarked I was going to have to be "creative" in finding a way to level. Ended up outleveling their solo for a bit as I covered lanes etc. and still managed to maintain good gold count... a lot of junglers I've seen crumble when shit hits the fan like that.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 21 2010 12:32 GMT
#7307
On July 21 2010 21:19 Southlight wrote:
I don't think they ever announced a new map except for saying they were working on one. And it's tough to balance a map >_> It took them a long time to get TT right.

Edit:
Practice games are only useful to gauge how much life/mana you lose per creep spawn, but the real test is what you do when you face adversity - most junglers really fail at this. The last game I played I jungled Amumu and they 5-man robbed Golem and warded their own, so I remarked I was going to have to be "creative" in finding a way to level. Ended up outleveling their solo for a bit as I covered lanes etc. and still managed to maintain good gold count... a lot of junglers I've seen crumble when shit hits the fan like that.


Facing actual opposition as a jungler is probably one of the harder things to do in this game. Most people try to do too much when what they should do is just clear the small camps, drink a red pot, and maybe feign a gank/soak some xp at a lane, then go back for your own golem again. I've seen too many junglers try to act invincible, wander over to their side, and get tripled by the closest lane+mid+jungler. Not only are you now even further behind, but you gave them extra gold, and potentially the red buff you still managed to grab.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 21 2010 12:51 GMT
#7308
I hate when people do that, especially if I die trying to help them. Z_R did it to me once, it kinda sucked, hahah.
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 13:31:07
July 21 2010 13:02 GMT
#7309
all the people crying about 20-29 not playing ranked should realize its RANKED. its not like they are preventing you from playing the game, with the same exact MM system in normal, which we have all been doing for the longest time. get over yourself and stop trying to stroke your e-peen by jumping right into ranked.

/rant

oh and vampire champ.... wtf twilight bullshit. lol idk i guess he looks interesting.

edit
i really hate that riot does this whole every other week they will tell you what free champs are next week. i mean you can make excuses all you want that they are really busy, but it doesnt seem like it would take alot of time AND they have been really consistent about doing it every other week so it doesnt seem like an accident. oh well ill spend the rest of the week seeing if i can actually get good with kass and playing on my smurf with corki for the lulz.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 14:08:20
July 21 2010 14:03 GMT
#7310
On July 21 2010 20:48 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 20:36 Hsanrb wrote:
PS: About normal queue for us who don't like the change, we'd prefer learning new champs in practice games rather than going into normal queue with the "Hey all, I'm using a champ first time, cut slack please." Not to mention they haven't implemented draft into normal play or allow for draft in practice rooms to satisfy those who want to play under those rules. If when I click normal I can go into casual draft rooms I'd play that over normal blind pick. Hopefully when practice rooms return I can go into practice draft and get the best of both worlds.


Just as a note (I'm not gonna touch on the <30 stuff),
I'm of the opinion (oft-repeated) that practice games are junk for testing anything. I think it's like
Practice - you find out what the skills do
Normal - you find out how it fares against decent opponents

90% of the time you can sleepwalk through practice games just because most people there are really, really bad.

Normally, I play practice games for a while with a pretty new champion to get a good feeling for what you can do in what situations, also like which walls you can travel through, possible skill combos, different builds, and most importantly jungling patterns. I think it's really important to play 2-5 practice games vs bots before you play vs actual people. It's a lot easier to learn the proper combos and whatnot in a completely casual environment.

I really don't understand why thy had to remove practice games. They could just make you only able to have them with bots and have the practice games be offline. That would be just fine for a temporary solution.


Like for Nidalee it would really have been useful if I was able to test how the cougar-Nidalee form transitions work and what you can do in the few seconds, how to quickly do Lizard or Golem at relatively low levels, and so on. It's pretty lame having to test that in the middle of tryhard Shacos who ruin everything >_>
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 21 2010 14:07 GMT
#7311
They're being re-enabled with this maintenance.

I almost never play practice games unless it's to test something (damage vs armor) or to see if something can jungle a certain way. If you give me any hero, and tell me to build a certain way, I'm incredibly confident I can win "anyways."
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 21 2010 14:09 GMT
#7312
I farm 1v1 bot practice games whenever I get within 400 XP of the next level. That's all they're good for. Just play unranked games IMO.
it's my first day
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
July 21 2010 14:10 GMT
#7313
man... I can't play ranked anymore :/
gotta grind my way to 30 now?!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 14:19:58
July 21 2010 14:17 GMT
#7314
On July 21 2010 23:07 Southlight wrote:
They're being re-enabled with this maintenance.

I almost never play practice games unless it's to test something (damage vs armor) or to see if something can jungle a certain way. If you give me any hero, and tell me to build a certain way, I'm incredibly confident I can win "anyways."

I always play 1v5 or 2v5 compstomps with my friend O_o even 10 games a day even if they don't give IP. It's just a lot of fun

EDIT: And that comes in handy with the 5v5 compstomp games they had when you needed a minimum of 4 players for practice games. Everyone else was like 3-0 - 8-0 and I was 58-0 at 25 minutes with 3 pentakills
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 21 2010 14:20 GMT
#7315
Oh come on, we all grinded our way to 30, it's not a big deal. Plus, according to that graph, under level 30s lose 2/3 the time in ranked anyway.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 21 2010 14:24 GMT
#7316
It also hardly matters whether you play ranked or not... if you're good (via nonranked) you'll climb ranked in no time. If you're 1400 level after grinding in ranked, then it'll take you very little time to hit 1400 in ranked when you're eligible. Then what? You're still at the same spot :o
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 21 2010 14:36 GMT
#7317
On July 21 2010 20:31 Kaniol wrote:
My friend just sent me this images;
[image loading]

Thoughts?

At first i was like "oh wow such a cool champ" but then i realized that he will probably be another Malzahar that offers to his team (except the damage) 1 mass slow which "forces" him into 2.5 sec zhonya, ult that increases damage dealt for whooping 5 secs and mass heal with 0.5 AP ratio, so i'm a bit skeptical now

Let's see... Seems like he'll have some minor burst, but I think that the most important thing is the heal. I think he should be all right as an AoE healer. 8 sec cooldown AoE heal is really significant. Ulti seems like it could be useful as well, whereas W seems like a poor man's Zhonya.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 21 2010 14:48 GMT
#7318
herp de derp, 4th pick heimer is funny.

I must be really good with that champ that I never played before to be 6-0 with him :p
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 21 2010 14:50 GMT
#7319
On July 21 2010 23:48 Mogwai wrote:
herp de derp, 4th pick heimer is funny.

I must be really good with that champ that I never played before to be 6-0 with him :p


I actually have fun playing heimer every once in awhile, but I dont want to buy him cause I assume for everyones sake hes gonna get nerfed
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 21 2010 14:58 GMT
#7320
Just don't be like Heejongshin. Don't ban Heimer Kayle nor Shaco, pick Heimer, then get picked apart by Kayle and Shaco.
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