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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 15 2010 22:13 GMT
#6361
same elo as utahime.
our fates are locked.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 15 2010 22:15 GMT
#6362
Urgh, you're making me need to play again, I wanna take a break from the (relatively) mass gaming >_o

Whatever, I'll catch up eventually.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 15 2010 22:35 GMT
#6363
k seriously to anybody building xin zhao as a dps hero

fuck you you have no idea what you're doing

Look at his abilities. While there's nothing wrong with carrying ax Xin Zhao, you have to realize that
a) his abilities have stupidly short cooldowns. Add in this the fact that his mana pool is smaller than the average xin zhao's player's **** and you'll see why stacking bloodthirsters and last whispers is next to useless.
b) what abilities are really conducive to high damage? his second ability. It's not like Ashe, who has a frost arrow, an ability that directly scales with items, a farming implement, and a disable. Nor is it like Yi, who has a pursuit, a damage boost, a laning ability, and a ghost+crack. Xin Zhao's only real ability that increases his effectiveness with +damage items is his passive. Of course you could put Youmu's on him, but then you could put youmu's on any hero with bloodthirster and have the same outcome.
c) going for a dps build means that you essentially give up the entire early-mid game in exchange for farming. And when you have a cc, a chase with like 5 second cooldowns as well as a LOL UR HP ability, you are really wasting Xin Zhao's strongest area.

I see Xin Zhao as a far more aggressive version of the way I play Mordekaiser. Which is to say, shut down the enemy carries. Trinity Force is the way to go, because
a) you get the movement speed to keep up with them for ur charge.
b) you get the chance on slow to keep them in range of ur cc and stuffs
c) you get 130% bonus damage on the next hit.
d) you get mana and HP and crit, which are all insanely useful when you drain mana stupid fast.

In case you didn't know, here's how fast you can spam abilities.
a) charge in and use ult. The charge has a hidden bonus of giving you a free hit on whoever the heck you charged. As Xin Zhao at around this time I would have around 100 damage. So that attack does 230 + 270 for the charge.
b) pop the cc and then the passive. +75 + 130% of damage, and then another +75 and +130%, +the extra hits, plus the reduction for your other abilities' cd. Then you can charge as soon as your cc is finished for another 270 + 130%. Let's say they reduce damage by 50% for both armor and MR. In the span of about 5 seconds you just bursted some guy to zero. And because your cd's are stupid low you can run around and do it to his lane partner.

seriously if you are one of the xin zhao's that builds dps and then wonders why they're dying so hard, it's because you're doing it wrong. And if you die to overfarmed DPS xin zhaos... well, pretend that xin zhao was shaco and imagine if anything different would have happened. Except Xin Zhao has no escape unlike Shaco. If you're having success as DPS/tank, good on ya. But I think this build is stupid fun.

sapphire, 2hp pots, boots, phage/zeal, the other, force, game should be over now, otherwise tank item/frozen mallet. You don't need high dps items..
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-16 00:15:26
July 15 2010 22:35 GMT
#6364
i should probably check my posts after i "edit" them
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 15 2010 22:39 GMT
#6365
the premade i was running with Knaan had a dps Xin on it...
damacian brothers in a lane is pretty rape.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 15 2010 22:40 GMT
#6366
Did you quote that just to filter the F word?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 15 2010 22:43 GMT
#6367
whoever that was that told me to open fort + 5heals vs kat when im mid ashe

tytyty

managed to start my game 1-0 vs kat by thanks to a volley and Q arrows
and then everything flowed real smoothly from there

ended 10-1-15
ashe seems very item dependent
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 15 2010 23:11 GMT
#6368
ladder finally updated, im #2 yeaaa boi
Brees on in
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 23:14:09
July 15 2010 23:12 GMT
#6369
On July 16 2010 08:11 Brees wrote:
ladder finally updated, im #2 yeaaa boi


Isn't updated for me, where'm I?

Edit:
Ah, there goes.

Hahah, talk about nonmovement.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 15 2010 23:22 GMT
#6370
On July 16 2010 07:35 Caller wrote:
k seriously to anybody building xin zhao as a dps hero

fuck you you have no idea what you're doing

Look at his abilities. While there's nothing wrong with carrying ax Xin Zhao, you have to realize that
a) his abilities have stupidly short cooldowns. Add in this the fact that his mana pool is smaller than the average xin zhao's player's **** and you'll see why stacking bloodthirsters and last whispers is next to useless.
b) what abilities are really conducive to high damage? his second ability. It's not like Ashe, who has a frost arrow, an ability that directly scales with items, a farming implement, and a disable. Nor is it like Yi, who has a pursuit, a damage boost, a laning ability, and a ghost+crack. Xin Zhao's only real ability that increases his effectiveness with +damage items is his passive. Of course you could put Youmu's on him, but then you could put youmu's on any hero with bloodthirster and have the same outcome.
c) going for a dps build means that you essentially give up the entire early-mid game in exchange for farming. And when you have a cc, a chase with like 5 second cooldowns as well as a LOL UR HP ability, you are really wasting Xin Zhao's strongest area.

I see Xin Zhao as a far more aggressive version of the way I play Mordekaiser. Which is to say, shut down the enemy carries. Trinity Force is the way to go, because
a) you get the movement speed to keep up with them for ur charge.
b) you get the chance on slow to keep them in range of ur cc and stuffs
c) you get 130% bonus damage on the next hit.
d) you get mana and HP and crit, which are all insanely useful when you drain mana stupid fast.

In case you didn't know, here's how fast you can spam abilities.
a) charge in and use ult. The charge has a hidden bonus of giving you a free hit on whoever the heck you charged. As Xin Zhao at around this time I would have around 100 damage. So that attack does 230 + 270 for the charge.
b) pop the cc and then the passive. +75 + 130% of damage, and then another +75 and +130%, +the extra hits, plus the reduction for your other abilities' cd. Then you can charge as soon as your cc is finished for another 270 + 130%. Let's say they reduce damage by 50% for both armor and MR. In the span of about 5 seconds you just bursted some guy to zero. And because your cd's are stupid low you can run around and do it to his lane partner.

seriously if you are one of the xin zhao's that builds dps and then wonders why they're dying so hard, it's because you're doing it wrong. And if you die to overfarmed DPS xin zhaos... well, pretend that xin zhao was shaco and imagine if anything different would have happened. Except Xin Zhao has no escape unlike Shaco. If you're having success as DPS/tank, good on ya. But I think this build is stupid fun.

sapphire, 2hp pots, boots, phage/zeal, the other, force, game should be over now, otherwise tank item/frozen mallet. You don't need high dps items..

Except if you open youmu -> brutalizer into semitank, you'll have super low cds and amazing aspd to make q and w synergize super well.

Triforce is meh imo
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 15 2010 23:34 GMT
#6371
On July 16 2010 08:12 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 08:11 Brees wrote:
ladder finally updated, im #2 yeaaa boi


Isn't updated for me, where'm I?

Edit:
Ah, there goes.

Hahah, talk about nonmovement.
our fates are locked... for now.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
July 15 2010 23:36 GMT
#6372
I just bought that Xin thingy and I have to say, it's superior :3
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Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
July 15 2010 23:47 GMT
#6373
On July 16 2010 02:25 Shikyo wrote:
Pantheon been banned in half my ranked games thus far. "Pantheon is fuckin op"


I've seen ppl focusing on his W ability and still doing well. I keep underestimating him now (1 of them did his heartseeker to me, barely did like 30% of my health lol). I think he's more of a disabler now running around stunning ppl in team fights. At least thats what i've seen so far.

Will have to give the revive trick a shot. Sounds fun. I did only buy him a few weeks ago as a fallback and hardly used him so far.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 15 2010 23:54 GMT
#6374
Yea, he feels like Shen v2 now, except HSS still hurts like hell, even if it's not gonna necessarily kill people anymore. So instead of building as a glass-cannon killer you just build him as a melee DPS and hope for the best - the revive trick kinda fixes the usual melee die too fast problem.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 16 2010 00:32 GMT
#6375
sorry uta. i'm leaving you behind.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-16 00:50:35
July 16 2010 00:47 GMT
#6376
Damn Brees that's impressive. Do you have a friend that you play with or are you able to carry the entire team?

Also, not to belittle your accomplishment but it seems like all the really top tier 1% of players in the game are all rolling in the 5 man premades.
Retvrn to Forvms
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 16 2010 01:10 GMT
#6377
okay 2 solo queues in a row where we lost before 25 mins =S sigh
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-16 01:29:46
July 16 2010 01:27 GMT
#6378
On July 16 2010 09:47 Chrispy wrote:
Damn Brees that's impressive. Do you have a friend that you play with or are you able to carry the entire team?

Also, not to belittle your accomplishment but it seems like all the really top tier 1% of players in the game are all rolling in the 5 man premades.


why do you think they 5 man premade?

think about it.

hint: we shit on reginald in solo

i play with my 12 year old brother and redtooth so far
Brees on in
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-16 01:51:19
July 16 2010 01:41 GMT
#6379
okay getting my ass kicked in solo q -_

EDIT: question to all the better players out there: When I'm soloing mid and am kind of owning it in the way that I have about double their minion kills but can't really actually kill the mid opponent and both the other lanes are getting owned, what am I supposed to do? In these games I've mostly just kept farming mid but that doesn't seem to work out so well, then I end the game with something like 1-2-0 while our team is 3-25 or something and I really feel like I could have done something better. Whenever I actually have ganked a sidelane in trouble my allies would run away and not see me coming or whatever then I get owned 2v1 while my mid tower gets destroyed.

Is there really nothing I can do in this situation?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
July 16 2010 02:05 GMT
#6380
Spudboy currently on the solomid stream. Rapin' with Udyr.
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