our fates are locked.
League of Legends [New forum, check OP!] - Page 319
Forum Index > General Games |
rredtooth
5459 Posts
our fates are locked. | ||
Southlight
United States11761 Posts
Whatever, I'll catch up eventually. | ||
Caller
Poland8075 Posts
fuck you you have no idea what you're doing Look at his abilities. While there's nothing wrong with carrying ax Xin Zhao, you have to realize that a) his abilities have stupidly short cooldowns. Add in this the fact that his mana pool is smaller than the average xin zhao's player's **** and you'll see why stacking bloodthirsters and last whispers is next to useless. b) what abilities are really conducive to high damage? his second ability. It's not like Ashe, who has a frost arrow, an ability that directly scales with items, a farming implement, and a disable. Nor is it like Yi, who has a pursuit, a damage boost, a laning ability, and a ghost+crack. Xin Zhao's only real ability that increases his effectiveness with +damage items is his passive. Of course you could put Youmu's on him, but then you could put youmu's on any hero with bloodthirster and have the same outcome. c) going for a dps build means that you essentially give up the entire early-mid game in exchange for farming. And when you have a cc, a chase with like 5 second cooldowns as well as a LOL UR HP ability, you are really wasting Xin Zhao's strongest area. I see Xin Zhao as a far more aggressive version of the way I play Mordekaiser. Which is to say, shut down the enemy carries. Trinity Force is the way to go, because a) you get the movement speed to keep up with them for ur charge. b) you get the chance on slow to keep them in range of ur cc and stuffs c) you get 130% bonus damage on the next hit. d) you get mana and HP and crit, which are all insanely useful when you drain mana stupid fast. In case you didn't know, here's how fast you can spam abilities. a) charge in and use ult. The charge has a hidden bonus of giving you a free hit on whoever the heck you charged. As Xin Zhao at around this time I would have around 100 damage. So that attack does 230 + 270 for the charge. b) pop the cc and then the passive. +75 + 130% of damage, and then another +75 and +130%, +the extra hits, plus the reduction for your other abilities' cd. Then you can charge as soon as your cc is finished for another 270 + 130%. Let's say they reduce damage by 50% for both armor and MR. In the span of about 5 seconds you just bursted some guy to zero. And because your cd's are stupid low you can run around and do it to his lane partner. seriously if you are one of the xin zhao's that builds dps and then wonders why they're dying so hard, it's because you're doing it wrong. And if you die to overfarmed DPS xin zhaos... well, pretend that xin zhao was shaco and imagine if anything different would have happened. Except Xin Zhao has no escape unlike Shaco. If you're having success as DPS/tank, good on ya. But I think this build is stupid fun. sapphire, 2hp pots, boots, phage/zeal, the other, force, game should be over now, otherwise tank item/frozen mallet. You don't need high dps items.. | ||
Caller
Poland8075 Posts
| ||
rredtooth
5459 Posts
damacian brothers in a lane is pretty rape. | ||
HazMat
United States17077 Posts
| ||
Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
tytyty managed to start my game 1-0 vs kat by thanks to a volley and Q arrows and then everything flowed real smoothly from there ended 10-1-15 ashe seems very item dependent | ||
Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
| ||
Southlight
United States11761 Posts
On July 16 2010 08:11 Brees wrote: ladder finally updated, im #2 yeaaa boi Isn't updated for me, where'm I? ![]() Edit: Ah, there goes. Hahah, talk about nonmovement. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 16 2010 07:35 Caller wrote: k seriously to anybody building xin zhao as a dps hero fuck you you have no idea what you're doing Look at his abilities. While there's nothing wrong with carrying ax Xin Zhao, you have to realize that a) his abilities have stupidly short cooldowns. Add in this the fact that his mana pool is smaller than the average xin zhao's player's **** and you'll see why stacking bloodthirsters and last whispers is next to useless. b) what abilities are really conducive to high damage? his second ability. It's not like Ashe, who has a frost arrow, an ability that directly scales with items, a farming implement, and a disable. Nor is it like Yi, who has a pursuit, a damage boost, a laning ability, and a ghost+crack. Xin Zhao's only real ability that increases his effectiveness with +damage items is his passive. Of course you could put Youmu's on him, but then you could put youmu's on any hero with bloodthirster and have the same outcome. c) going for a dps build means that you essentially give up the entire early-mid game in exchange for farming. And when you have a cc, a chase with like 5 second cooldowns as well as a LOL UR HP ability, you are really wasting Xin Zhao's strongest area. I see Xin Zhao as a far more aggressive version of the way I play Mordekaiser. Which is to say, shut down the enemy carries. Trinity Force is the way to go, because a) you get the movement speed to keep up with them for ur charge. b) you get the chance on slow to keep them in range of ur cc and stuffs c) you get 130% bonus damage on the next hit. d) you get mana and HP and crit, which are all insanely useful when you drain mana stupid fast. In case you didn't know, here's how fast you can spam abilities. a) charge in and use ult. The charge has a hidden bonus of giving you a free hit on whoever the heck you charged. As Xin Zhao at around this time I would have around 100 damage. So that attack does 230 + 270 for the charge. b) pop the cc and then the passive. +75 + 130% of damage, and then another +75 and +130%, +the extra hits, plus the reduction for your other abilities' cd. Then you can charge as soon as your cc is finished for another 270 + 130%. Let's say they reduce damage by 50% for both armor and MR. In the span of about 5 seconds you just bursted some guy to zero. And because your cd's are stupid low you can run around and do it to his lane partner. seriously if you are one of the xin zhao's that builds dps and then wonders why they're dying so hard, it's because you're doing it wrong. And if you die to overfarmed DPS xin zhaos... well, pretend that xin zhao was shaco and imagine if anything different would have happened. Except Xin Zhao has no escape unlike Shaco. If you're having success as DPS/tank, good on ya. But I think this build is stupid fun. sapphire, 2hp pots, boots, phage/zeal, the other, force, game should be over now, otherwise tank item/frozen mallet. You don't need high dps items.. Except if you open youmu -> brutalizer into semitank, you'll have super low cds and amazing aspd to make q and w synergize super well. Triforce is meh imo | ||
rredtooth
5459 Posts
On July 16 2010 08:12 Southlight wrote: our fates are locked... for now.Isn't updated for me, where'm I? ![]() Edit: Ah, there goes. Hahah, talk about nonmovement. | ||
![]()
739
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
| ||
Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
On July 16 2010 02:25 Shikyo wrote: Pantheon been banned in half my ranked games thus far. "Pantheon is fuckin op" I've seen ppl focusing on his W ability and still doing well. I keep underestimating him now (1 of them did his heartseeker to me, barely did like 30% of my health lol). I think he's more of a disabler now running around stunning ppl in team fights. At least thats what i've seen so far. Will have to give the revive trick a shot. Sounds fun. I did only buy him a few weeks ago as a fallback and hardly used him so far. | ||
Southlight
United States11761 Posts
| ||
rredtooth
5459 Posts
| ||
Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
Also, not to belittle your accomplishment but it seems like all the really top tier 1% of players in the game are all rolling in the 5 man premades. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
| ||
Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On July 16 2010 09:47 Chrispy wrote: Damn Brees that's impressive. Do you have a friend that you play with or are you able to carry the entire team? Also, not to belittle your accomplishment but it seems like all the really top tier 1% of players in the game are all rolling in the 5 man premades. why do you think they 5 man premade? think about it. hint: we shit on reginald in solo i play with my 12 year old brother and redtooth so far | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
EDIT: question to all the better players out there: When I'm soloing mid and am kind of owning it in the way that I have about double their minion kills but can't really actually kill the mid opponent and both the other lanes are getting owned, what am I supposed to do? In these games I've mostly just kept farming mid but that doesn't seem to work out so well, then I end the game with something like 1-2-0 while our team is 3-25 or something and I really feel like I could have done something better. Whenever I actually have ganked a sidelane in trouble my allies would run away and not see me coming or whatever then I get owned 2v1 while my mid tower gets destroyed. Is there really nothing I can do in this situation? | ||
oberon
United States1320 Posts
| ||
| ||