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On July 11 2010 15:51 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 15:35 G0dly wrote:On July 11 2010 14:06 HeavOnEarth wrote:On July 11 2010 14:05 G0dly wrote:
kat + mumu + pirate + pantheon = lulz
all I have to say I guess if u have pirate 1v2 and mumu jungle. , panth mid + kat lane with someone good. otherwise u guys are gonna get stomped all over during the laning phase :O what we did was we had mumu ult, then pirate and pantheon ult on top of that, and then I would jump in with kat and death lotus AoE teams were common back in the day. Amumu , kat(fucking awesome with morgs shield) morgana(lowers MR), fiddle(lowers MR), karthus(wall lowers MR) AP ezreal prenerf was pretty sick, twitched spray and pray AoE is cool(he sucks though), and of course pirate, panth, kennen etc. Basically , if u get to farm up a little health or whatnot and do semi-ok in the laning phase, you just group up and destroy everyone. Problem is these kind of teams absolutely get trashed solomid, theres no real 1v2 person, no "real" jungler, although amumu is okish, and the 2v2 lane is probably gonna not get any farm/ trashed all over.
Kat is pretty much the best solo mid in the game, Amumu jungles really well. That leaves 1v2, where Gangplank and Fiddle both do just fine. The 2v2 lane really shouldn't be a problem, just pick Janna or Soraka for the fifth champion if you really think you'll have trouble.
The problem with this strat isn't laning, it's the fact that it relies on the opponents clumping up.
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It just feels like I do WAY less damage early on with AP builds. Late game it makes her ult rock and the slow is really nice, but I feel like I get way more kills in lane with AD because I just stack BF swords. I'll try out the rush rylai's into zhonya's thing though.
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On July 12 2010 00:19 Shikyo wrote:
Kat is pretty much the best solo mid in the game
Panth :D
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On July 12 2010 00:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
It just feels like I do WAY less damage early on with AP builds. Late game it makes her ult rock and the slow is really nice, but I feel like I get way more kills in lane with AD because I just stack BF swords. I'll try out the rush rylai's into zhonya's thing though.
i like AD more purely because i get to poke with BB. it just feels like in ap you dont get to do anything until there is a big fight already happening. so you just feel like a dick for standing around doin nothing.
plus its so much easier to farm
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On July 12 2010 00:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 00:19 Shikyo wrote:
Kat is pretty much the best solo mid in the game
Panth :D
After the next patch I mean~ Panth doesn't really even count as a champion anymore
On July 12 2010 00:27 Orpheos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 00:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
It just feels like I do WAY less damage early on with AP builds. Late game it makes her ult rock and the slow is really nice, but I feel like I get way more kills in lane with AD because I just stack BF swords. I'll try out the rush rylai's into zhonya's thing though. i like AD more purely because i get to poke with BB. it just feels like in ap you dont get to do anything until there is a big fight already happening. so you just feel like a dick for standing around doin nothing. plus its so much easier to farm
Yeah I greatly prefer AD because with AP it feels like if they have a lot of ways to interrupt your ult, you are entirely useless, whereas with AD you can still do quite respective damage by spamming bouncing blade from a distance.
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I feel like even shunpo + auto attack does more damage with AD, as long as you hit the AA. Just in general everything does more damage. Rylai's is nice in the right comp but the amount of AP you need to do comparable damage is ridiculous. Usually I just go mpen boots + mass bf swords/bloodthirsters. Been thinking about throwing in phage->mallet. It's basically the same thing as Rylai's except it's for damage.
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Speaking of AoE teams: I played a game last night where the other team had Malphite (initiate w/ult), Annie (followup ult + incinerate), Cho'Gath (follow-up rupture + feral scream), Garen (Judgement), and Katarina (Shunpo + Death Lotus). They didn't have any coordination (I don't think they were a premade), but the lineup struck me as having a lot of potential.
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On July 11 2010 23:50 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 23:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Just picked up Kat, been raping with her, can anyone give me some in-depth tips on her? Favorite build, skill order, whatever.
I just played vs a pantheon mid for the first time and holy shit the matchup seems impossible to win. Level BB until you can consistently hit the enemy hero, then get a point of W to maximize damage. Ult has maximum priority. AP>>>AD. Slightly less damage per gold, but much more utility and survivability.
Uh, no. AP Kat and AD Kat are both perfectly viable builds, both with their pros and cons. None of them is unambiguously better than the other.
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On July 12 2010 00:43 Tadzio wrote:
Speaking of AoE teams: I played a game last night where the other team had Malphite (initiate w/ult), Annie (followup ult + incinerate), Cho'Gath (follow-up rupture + feral scream), Garen (Judgement), and Katarina (Shunpo + Death Lotus). They didn't have any coordination (I don't think they were a premade), but the lineup struck me as having a lot of potential.
It's best to try to avoid big fights at the middle of the map against an AoE team. If you do have a big team fight, make sure to be spread out. Also, Garen isn't terribly scary in that lineup- a Fiddlesticks or Gangplank would probably do much better.
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Kind of off-topic, but I'm a Amumu player trying to branch out. I keep reading that Kayle is such a strong character but I just don't get it. I've tried different builds, AP, AD, going more for reckoning, going more for the ranged attack, but she really doesn't seem like the carrying powerhouse that I've read about. Is there a good build or team for her that I'm not doing?
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On July 12 2010 00:45 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 23:50 APurpleCow wrote:On July 11 2010 23:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Just picked up Kat, been raping with her, can anyone give me some in-depth tips on her? Favorite build, skill order, whatever.
I just played vs a pantheon mid for the first time and holy shit the matchup seems impossible to win. Level BB until you can consistently hit the enemy hero, then get a point of W to maximize damage. Ult has maximum priority. AP>>>AD. Slightly less damage per gold, but much more utility and survivability. Uh, no. AP Kat and AD Kat are both perfectly viable builds, both with their pros and cons. None of them is unambiguously better than the other.
If the other team really lacks disables, and you can get your ult off on them all consistently, then I think AP is better.
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Wait are they nerfing panth?
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I'm really digging teemo so far. Anyone have any tips for playing teemo? Essential items? I'm getting merc treads, Last Whisper, Infinity Edge, Stark's Fervor, and Frozen Mallet if I can afford it.
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On July 12 2010 00:54 Criminy Jicket wrote:
Kind of off-topic, but I'm a Amumu player trying to branch out. I keep reading that Kayle is such a strong character but I just don't get it. I've tried different builds, AP, AD, going more for reckoning, going more for the ranged attack, but she really doesn't seem like the carrying powerhouse that I've read about. Is there a good build or team for her that I'm not doing?
when they buffed her it was like- just get a rageblade and press e and watch as u slaughter everyone.
now she just kinda does cool shiny animations with her abilities like before except now she has no game-changing bubble 
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On July 12 2010 00:54 Criminy Jicket wrote:
Kind of off-topic, but I'm a Amumu player trying to branch out. I keep reading that Kayle is such a strong character but I just don't get it. I've tried different builds, AP, AD, going more for reckoning, going more for the ranged attack, but she really doesn't seem like the carrying powerhouse that I've read about. Is there a good build or team for her that I'm not doing?
she's still quite good especially in tandem with another healer or someone else that has an "invincible" ult aka trynd/shen/soraka. that's a ton of survivability. i think because of her passive (stacking AP gives her more damage, stacking damage gives her more AP), hybrid items such as hextech and guinsoo are strongest on her. she's a great counter-pusher to solo push a lane while the other team tries to 5v4 on one of your towers, and a great support champ as well. she's not omgwtfbbqroflowned powerful any more but just play smart and you'll do fine with her imo. very hard hero to fuck up
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On July 11 2010 18:54 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 15:45 pokeyAA wrote:On July 11 2010 15:28 redtooth wrote:On July 11 2010 15:13 pokeyAA wrote:
its come to my knowledge that
1.) No one in TL is in the Top 500
2.) Half of the top 500 left for the Euro servers, so the remaining 250 that filled those slots dont deserve it.
Ahh the joys of the LiquidParty channel. Why the hell am I llstening to any advice here then, none of you are even in the top 500 pff. wat? if you're talking about our euro representation then that's seperate from LiquidParty... Neo is definitely in top 500 and i'm pretty sure yiruru, Brees and I make it as well. i wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of others like utahime, rad, smash, etc make it too. edit: also i wouldn't be surprised if there were 500 people at the ELO cap and it's just whoever ended on a win that week. Haha red no, he said noone in TL was top 500. And if they were, they didnt deserve to be cuz half of the 'real' top 500 already left to Euro server. I was confounded. confused as to what you're saying and how you got your information. wouldn't be surprised if it was due to me not following the thread too closely and you're just being sarcastic atm. but yeah there are many others that i didn't specifically name (ezpz, grandim, spud, odonnell, etc) that are probably still up there.
Haha red, my first post on the subject was sarcastic. Someone on the LiquidParty channel made that claim. I tried to debate with him that he was mistaken, but it didnt go anywhere.
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On July 12 2010 02:11 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 00:54 Criminy Jicket wrote:
Kind of off-topic, but I'm a Amumu player trying to branch out. I keep reading that Kayle is such a strong character but I just don't get it. I've tried different builds, AP, AD, going more for reckoning, going more for the ranged attack, but she really doesn't seem like the carrying powerhouse that I've read about. Is there a good build or team for her that I'm not doing? she's still quite good especially in tandem with another healer or someone else that has an "invincible" ult aka trynd/shen/soraka. that's a ton of survivability. i think because of her passive (stacking AP gives her more damage, stacking damage gives her more AP), hybrid items such as hextech and guinsoo are strongest on her. she's a great counter-pusher to solo push a lane while the other team tries to 5v4 on one of your towers, and a great support champ as well. she's not omgwtfbbqroflowned powerful any more but just play smart and you'll do fine with her imo. very hard hero to fuck up
Hextech is bad.
Pretty much every good Kayle goes something like this.
Dorans ring (or boots), Rageblade, Nashors Tooth, Zerker Greaves and by then you should be able to solo the other team. I usually go Guardian Angel and then chug elixirs and wards for my 6th slot.
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On July 12 2010 02:51 HazMat wrote:
Hextech is bad.
Pretty much every good Kayle goes something like this.
Dorans ring (or boots), Rageblade, Nashors Tooth, Zerker Greaves and by then you should be able to solo the other team. I usually go Guardian Angel and then chug elixirs and wards for my 6th slot.
hextech IS bad but it's fine on kayle because of her passive
but
On July 12 2010 02:51 HazMat wrote:
every good Kayle goes Zerker Greaves
made me lol
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On July 12 2010 02:55 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 02:51 HazMat wrote:
Hextech is bad.
Pretty much every good Kayle goes something like this.
Dorans ring (or boots), Rageblade, Nashors Tooth, Zerker Greaves and by then you should be able to solo the other team. I usually go Guardian Angel and then chug elixirs and wards for my 6th slot. hextech IS bad but it's fine on kayle because of her passive but made me lol
Trust me. Have you ever tried the build, you wack down all their hp with E.
I got the build from a friend who premades with bfj but w/e.
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On July 12 2010 02:51 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 02:11 gtrsrs wrote:On July 12 2010 00:54 Criminy Jicket wrote:
Kind of off-topic, but I'm a Amumu player trying to branch out. I keep reading that Kayle is such a strong character but I just don't get it. I've tried different builds, AP, AD, going more for reckoning, going more for the ranged attack, but she really doesn't seem like the carrying powerhouse that I've read about. Is there a good build or team for her that I'm not doing? she's still quite good especially in tandem with another healer or someone else that has an "invincible" ult aka trynd/shen/soraka. that's a ton of survivability. i think because of her passive (stacking AP gives her more damage, stacking damage gives her more AP), hybrid items such as hextech and guinsoo are strongest on her. she's a great counter-pusher to solo push a lane while the other team tries to 5v4 on one of your towers, and a great support champ as well. she's not omgwtfbbqroflowned powerful any more but just play smart and you'll do fine with her imo. very hard hero to fuck up Hextech is bad. Pretty much every good Kayle goes something like this. Dorans ring (or boots), Rageblade, Nashors Tooth, Zerker Greaves and by then you should be able to solo the other team. I usually go Guardian Angel and then chug elixirs and wards for my 6th slot.
I hope you didn't mean hextech being bad in general... It's bad on kayle but is part of many standard builds on other chars.
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