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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 06 2010 22:33 GMT
#4301
Yi is perfectly doable at high-levels. As I've repeatedly said, heroes in this game are remarkably balanced. I see decent Eves nowadays, and as Smash said, the only hero I'd really stop someone from using is Veigar (until they fix him). It's going to be a lot harder than lolfaceroll though, and that's all I've been arguing

And people complaining about b/d Yi are out of their minds.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 06 2010 22:33 GMT
#4302
On July 07 2010 07:23 Fruscainte wrote:
Meh, I'll stick with Yi. I like doing underrated or underpowered stuff, it makes me feel accomplished when I rape face with them. I don't plan on doing high ELO anyways, and Yi is the most fun for me. I tried Shaco, meh. Too easy mode, I hate stealth. I think it's totally OP that you can stealth with him and twitch and all that in the middle of a fight when you're about to die.


anything that can be countered by a single 150-gold item is not OP
(i'm talking stealth here obv)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
July 06 2010 22:36 GMT
#4303
On July 07 2010 07:33 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 07:23 Fruscainte wrote:
Meh, I'll stick with Yi. I like doing underrated or underpowered stuff, it makes me feel accomplished when I rape face with them. I don't plan on doing high ELO anyways, and Yi is the most fun for me. I tried Shaco, meh. Too easy mode, I hate stealth. I think it's totally OP that you can stealth with him and twitch and all that in the middle of a fight when you're about to die.


anything that can be countered by a single 150-gold item is not OP
(i'm talking stealth here obv)


Yeah, a ward. That is a stationary object. But if you'r ein the middle of nowhere, you need to carry that with you, then plant it down in the perfect moment when he stealths and kill him before he leaves the range of it? The only real way is for an Elixir, which is a 400 investment. Which can really ruin a build if you aren't getting lots of kills.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 06 2010 22:49 GMT
#4304
400 gold to completely counter a hero is not a hard choice to make
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
July 06 2010 22:50 GMT
#4305
On July 07 2010 07:49 gtrsrs wrote:
400 gold to completely counter a hero is not a hard choice to make


meh
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 06 2010 22:55 GMT
#4306
On July 07 2010 07 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              07 2010 07      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:49 gtrsrs wrote:
400 gold to completely counter a hero is not a hard choice to make

Except it doesn't completely counter any of those heroes, if at all. The only thing it allows you to do is actually chase them down, otherwise it doesn't help that much. Unless, of course, they're really bad.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 06 2010 22:59 GMT
#4307
Oracles only really completely counter Eve. With Twitch and Shaco if they know who has oracles and don't play stupid they're still decent, certainly not "completely countered." Eve dies so hard to oracles because she's uber squishy and has to be right up in your face to do any damage. Yeah Eve just sucks.

Oracles kind of own Akali hard too, but usually people don't buy them just for her.
Retvrn to Forvms
Risu
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom7 Posts
July 06 2010 22:59 GMT
#4308
On July 07 2010 07:33 Southlight wrote:
Yi is perfectly doable at high-levels. As I've repeatedly said, heroes in this game are remarkably balanced. I see decent Eves nowadays, and as Smash said, the only hero I'd really stop someone from using is Veigar (until they fix him). It's going to be a lot harder than lolfaceroll though, and that's all I've been arguing

And people complaining about b/d Yi are out of their minds.


I don't understand why you do not want to play with a veigar, hes not "broken" and needs no fixing as far as I can see, veigar is currently my main. [image loading]

Having played this many games with him (before and after changed) I am not sure why you blacklist him.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-06 23:08:32
July 06 2010 23:08 GMT
#4309
Season 1 July 13!

Awesome, been playing some LoL recently too.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 06 2010 23:11 GMT
#4310
Just finished buying my flat hp quints. Now I guess I'm buying blue ap runes.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29906 Posts
July 06 2010 23:15 GMT
#4311
What's the best rune build for pure tank player? Rammus / Mordekaiser etc.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
July 06 2010 23:19 GMT
#4312
On July 07 2010 07:15 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 07:04 Shiladie wrote:
By melee dps carry hybrid what do you mean? There are a tonne of other heroes that do better at pure melee damage. Though I agree he is amazing, I think there are a number of different ways to play him, of which I'm just scratching the surface of right now.
I've seen people all damning the AP/lifesteel stacking nasus, as the moment he gets disabled he dies, and there are other heroes that can do the dps carry role better. Others then come in to say that nasus shouldn't be a pure tank, as his abilities are hardly defencive in nature. So what I'm getting from this is that there needs to be a balance there they I have to find, perhaps depending on my own/their team makup...


One of the biggest arguments back and forth that people seem to have is whether HoG is worth it or not. I've seen both sides venemently defend their PoV on the matter, and really don't know where I stand. a minor tanking item that brings in a very minor amount of extra income vs getting better tanking items right off the bat...


Other heroes do more damage, but they die so fast that over 20 seconds they only damage for like 4 seconds. As I mentioned several times (maybe I should stick it in the FAQ), melee DPS heroes have it hard because you have to soak up a lot of damage while outputting good damage. That means most "viable" melee DPS heroes nowadays are heroes that have a good innate source of damage (not item dependant) and have the ability to tank, one way or another. Yi, for instance, is "okay" because his passive skill gives him base damage, he can avoid some tanking time due to Alpha Strike teleporting him, and his ult lets him avoid a decent percentage of crowd-control (as he cannot be slowed). However, the primary argument against him as a real melee DPS is that he has absolutely terrible survival, so in a teamfight he has to play the vulture - come in from the side some seconds after combat has started, hope his team hasn't been overwhelmed, and snipe someone.

By contrast Nasus does so much damage because of Q and his ult that you can build him 100% as a tank and he'll still output ridiculous amounts of damage. Likewise, Udyr is similar in that Phoenix Stance does so much damage that you can build almost purely tank and he'll still kick some serious ass. That's why those two are considered "better" melee DPS hybrids and more viable overall.

People telling you to not build Nasus as a tank usually don't know what they're talking about. For a while going Sheen/TriForce was thought to be a good idea as the only damage item he gets, but nowadays people have decided you don't even need Sheen (TriForce out of the question as it's not worth its cost), and all you need is tanking items. He's just that baller.

HoG is great on jungling tanks because you're expected to roam the map and gank a lot, so you'll often find that you farm hardcore until level 4-5 and then don't really aftewards - getting extra gold for running around is nice. Also as a byproduct of jungling, most of the time you have a very consistent income at the beginning, so you can be pretty confident of getting a VERY fast HoG, which pays for itself as the game goes on, and the extra HP/Armor is handy so fast into a game. Bear in mind that per gold, the HP and armor you get from HoG is actually one of the best in the game, so the gold every 10 is just cherry on top. I mentioned some 20 pages ago that you can buy two HoGs for 500 less than one Sunfire Cape, have comparable HP and armor, and simply trade the 40 damage per second aura for 1 gold per second.



hmm makes sense, also goes with what I've mostly been doing, just stacking pure tank items. I may hop on the HoG as an early item now, but i'll have to see how my money is looking when I'm back shopping...
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 06 2010 23:26 GMT
#4313
I just have to say thank you to everyone for answering questions for me and really helping me develop a lot faster then I would have on my own Especially Mogwai for his Panth builds and advice :D
Never Knows Best.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 06 2010 23:41 GMT
#4314
On July 07 2010 07 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              07 2010 07      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:59 Risu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 07:33 Southlight wrote:
Yi is perfectly doable at high-levels. As I've repeatedly said, heroes in this game are remarkably balanced. I see decent Eves nowadays, and as Smash said, the only hero I'd really stop someone from using is Veigar (until they fix him). It's going to be a lot harder than lolfaceroll though, and that's all I've been arguing

And people complaining about b/d Yi are out of their minds.


I don't understand why you do not want to play with a veigar, hes not "broken" and needs no fixing as far as I can see, veigar is currently my main. [image loading]

Having played this many games with him (before and after changed) I am not sure why you blacklist him.

I'm kinda planning on starting to main veigar after I finish my caster runepage, do you wanna maybe chat about veigar a little sometime somewhere somehow?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 06 2010 23:43 GMT
#4315
On July 07 2010 07:59 Chrispy wrote:
Oracles only really completely counter Eve. With Twitch and Shaco if they know who has oracles and don't play stupid they're still decent, certainly not "completely countered." Eve dies so hard to oracles because she's uber squishy and has to be right up in your face to do any damage. Yeah Eve just sucks.

Oracles kind of own Akali hard too, but usually people don't buy them just for her.


well i'm obviously not arguing that shaco gets shut down by oracles - his stealth factor does, but he's got a clone and a teleport to add to his survivability, not to mention he's not uber squishy.

eve/twitch/akali are all turbo-squishy (well, i've yet to see a tank-eve in game so maybe she's not but still) that rely on their stealth to get their job done. if you can prevent them from getting into perfect position or escaping, with an item that you could buy with starting gold, then yes, that item is a very effective counter

i don't even see how you guys are arguing this. your arguments basically amount to: "well yeah with oracles twitch can be seen but if he's better than you it doesn't matter anyways!" no shit sherlock. twitch is going to roam and gank. for 400 gold you prevent him from ganking YOU. ps, teamwork costs 0 gold so traveling in groups in conjunction with oracles when there's a fed twitch is basically the smartest way you can play.

shikyo you're acting like i said buying oracle's auto-kills every stealth champ on the map. obv it's not a COMPLETE counter just in the same way that buying armor doesn't ENSURE a win against a physical dps... but you'd be a fool to play against eve/twitch without oracles or well-placed vision wards - and while not required, it definitely helps against akali and shaco to various degrees
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29906 Posts
July 06 2010 23:44 GMT
#4316
On July 07 2010 08:15 Crucifix wrote:
What's the best rune build for pure tank player? Rammus / Mordekaiser etc.


Rune + Masteries obviously. All tips highly appreciated.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
July 06 2010 23:49 GMT
#4317
On July 07 2010 08:44 Crucifix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 08:15 Crucifix wrote:
What's the best rune build for pure tank player? Rammus / Mordekaiser etc.


Rune + Masteries obviously. All tips highly appreciated.


some variation of 0/21/9 for most tanks, maybe 0/19/11 if you need mana really badly

if you don't need mana then 9/21/0 is good.

runes probably dodge/mresist/not sure about reds. quints are up to you, flat hp if you think you'll do hefty work early game, but they dont' scale well into late game.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 00:06:48
July 07 2010 00:03 GMT
#4318
Wow my elo has dropped so much since I've started solo que. I've been getting paired up with players that aren't even lvl 30...

My w/l has dropped from about +30 to + 8 in a week of solo que. How am I going to get my elo up? I don't mind solo que but when I'm getting paired up with players that don't know what last hitting is I sort of lose faith in ELO..

edit: Is S1 gonna reset elo cause I would love to start fresh.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 07 2010 00:05 GMT
#4319
are the servers screwed for anyone else? It's not logging me into liquid party and 5v5 is broken.
it's my first day
Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 00:12:26
July 07 2010 00:08 GMT
#4320
yea i cant login at all, the 1 time i did get on when i try'd to que the only thing available was 3v3. the LoL forums load so goddamn slow also... /sigh. back to playing FeZ
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