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On July 02 2010 04:16 Brees wrote:
good singed I see (I play him the same way)
operate like nidalee. you continually push towers solo which will make at least one of their unsuccesfully gank you. If they only bring one, singed can easily 1v1 any char and if its a tank you can just go to town on their tower.
one slow > your ability to initiate.
if you build singed tank and people focus you they are just really dumb, he does no damage with tank gear.
I play him like that as well and he downs towers extremely fast. I build RoA first and then get the rest tank gear, that gives me enough damage to significantly hurt their team(100 dmg a second on squishies starts to feel, along with the fling). They don't even have to focus you, the thing is... if they don't, their squishies will becomes half-dead in no time and you can just toss them to your team, with ulti you're pretty much impossible to kill or catch up to and you deal significant damage.
The way he initiates is... before teamfight, slow a carry or whoever, ulti, ghost, fling. They can't run from him, if they flash and ghost away, he can fling another important target. Then your team focuses them dead. 5v4 while you're tanking their entire team, never dying. He can chase down them if they try to run, he can fling another person soon enough, all while dealing 100 dps to everyone in their team in an AoE with his normal attacks dealing a bit more than that. As said, he does everything you want from a tank: Enough utility and damage to be a threat, never get killed, never let anyone run away.
For example if we compare him to mordekaiser, we can see that he might deal slightly less damage, but has a lot more utility and in my opinion is even more difficult to bring down. Mordekaiser you can ignore, Singed you cannot if you don't want your squishies to get picked off.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
0o I dont get how you see that as good tanking yet you think nasus sucks. makes no sense.
also I like AP singed much better, ROA/Rylai's/Zhonya's makes him ridiculous.
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On July 02 2010 04:32 Brees wrote:
0o I dont get how you see that as good tanking yet you think nasus sucks. makes no sense.
also I like AP singed much better, ROA/Rylai's/Zhonya's makes him ridiculous.
Well I'm not sure either, I guess it's the fact that Nasus doesn't have any utility outside of a single target slow and needs to farm with an awful move to make it less awful. On paper he looks good, in practice I think he's quite bad.
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... you really just haven't seen a good nasus man... his utility, aside from the single target, big slow, is that he outputs a fuckton of AoE damage coupled with big single target hits. he's not a disabling tank, he's a soft tank who 1-2 shots their ashe/ez.
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On July 02 2010 04:44 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 04:32 Brees wrote:
0o I dont get how you see that as good tanking yet you think nasus sucks. makes no sense.
also I like AP singed much better, ROA/Rylai's/Zhonya's makes him ridiculous. Well I'm not sure either, I guess it's the fact that Nasus doesn't have any utility outside of a single target slow and needs to farm with an awful move to make it less awful. On paper he looks good, in practice I think he's quite bad.
AOE 40 armor reduction bad?
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And the slow also slows attack speed massively, so it shuts down dps carries.
And hes single target skill have like 3 sec cooldown, meaning massive damage.
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his slow is pretty ridiculous
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Imagine I'd see him carry at least one out of 100 games or played in even some high elo games if he was that good?
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Most people suck at Nasus because he's a melee DPS character. People build him wrong, farm too slow, don't have a good supporting team, can't stop a push to let Nasus farm, etc. There're plenty of reasons for a melee DPS character to fall flat on their face. I see the same thing happen to Jax all the time, and Jax is/was considered a top-tier melee DPS.
For reasons stated, Singed is a terrible "tank." In fact of the non-initiating tanks I actually found Taric to be the best, by far, because he gives some nice utility (heal + damage buff) and soaks up a ridiculous amount of damage from the get-go. Which is really odd because I thought they nerfed the crap out of him but w/e. I guess going from god-class to a-class still leaves a solid hero. Shen has the same problem. You can walk into a cloud of snares, but you can't really eat that with Shen, meanwhile if you try to Dash into it you won't be able to force them to hit you for a bit as your energy regens. That's why Shen is a great off-tank, and can do okay if the game remains fluid, but the moment one or both teams tighten up you "feel" the lack of tankiness from a lot of these heroes.
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I've seen Tryndamere carry, Master Yi carry, Jax carry numerous, numerous times, but I've never seen a Nasus carry in the slightest. I've even seen DPS Malphites and Blitzcranks carry.
But yeah I am not really good with nasus, the few games I played I would farm almost 300 minion kills before 30 mins and have my Siphon have almost +200 damage, and still couldn't do anything significant in teambattles. Just feels bad -.-
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Over my last 100-200 games, I've seen a Nasus carry but I've seen none of the rest carry. Yes, I've not actually seen a Jax carry in a long, long, long time.
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actually you've got a point there, I haven't seen a Jax carry in a while. The only Trynd has been mine and also some 8-1 Trynd who rushed malady... But Master Yi after his buff has carried a few games o_O I think he's quite good now.
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I only saw a Master Yi carry while on my smurf, and that was a game I was carrying my team with Nasus, but unfortunately when a teammate runs <-- that way and I'm trying to chase the Master Yi to kill him I can't catch up because I can't snare him. If the teammate had run --> to me I woulda killed and we woulda won.
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shen eats shit compared to a true tank, he's really best utilized in small 2v2 or 3v3 skirmishes where he can force the enemy to overcommit to the squishy then taunt all of them so they can't kill the squishy and allow the squishy to get the kills
in a 5v5 any amount of focus just wrecks him, even with top tier defensive items
another thing - i've noticed there's no real good Mag Resist + HP item for shen. sure, banshee's veil gives HP and the spell block, but you blow a lot of money on the mana which you can't even utilize. riot needs to come out with an item that's just MagRes+HP, preferably with a decent amount of the latter.
i'm going to start experimenting with merc treads and quicksilver sash as my first two items since they're both relatively cheap, provide enough magic resist to last until late-mid game, and give a ton of CC offset. still doesn't solve the HP problem but i suppose i'll just stack sunfire capes after that
also, tried jungle shen last night... i think the smite nerf really took any viability out of jungle shen. he's already so goddamn slow and the smite nerf just keeps him at the big creeps even longer. i declare jungle shen to be dead.
@Shikyo if you killed 300 minions with siphoning strike you'd be looking at 600 bonus damage from SS which is nothing to snivel at
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The hardest Yi carry was the game HotShot streamed where Ryzer got a semi-penta that was a quad + one too slow kill and another quad and a trip kill. I have been carried by one Yi like that and also carried a few games with Yi like that, he's really insane now if he gets a good farm going.
EDIT2 wtf does my edit even mean: Obviously not all the kills were with Siphon, that'd be pretty insane with even an amazing farmer, not even talking about my mediocre lasthitting.
okay now it makes sense
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second day in a row my FWOTD has only given me 150 XP.
I am not a happy camper :|
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Most recent puregoldenboy Soraka build:
Archangel, level 1 boot, Giant's Belt (what was he gonna make?)
Actually in another game I see he got Archangel, Treads, Giant's Belt, and Negatron Cloak o_O
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On July 02 2010 05:44 Mogwai wrote:
Jax sucks, just sayin'
He does, if you're solo queuing. He really does need a team that will support him, and far more often than not, that just doesn't happen in solo queue. I still find him very effective with a premade that understands how he plays, though.
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On July 02 2010 06:37 myopia wrote:
second day in a row my FWOTD has only given me 150 XP.
I am not a happy camper :|
xp boost was removed in the last patch.
EDIT: told ya archangel is awesome on soraka
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