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On October 31 2010 03:54 oberon wrote:
Has anyone tried Kayle with all AD runes, offense + utility masteries, opening longsword + E? By my math her E would hit for ~100 per swing with this setup.
I recently had a game were the enemy team sent Ashe + Janna to bot, they came with 95 AD with Shield on Ashe and 30 AP on Janna. Obviously running AD and AP heavy runepages.
Tower went down in no time, but luckily that Ashe was terribad and didn't do anything mid to late game.
Imo if you want to do something like that, do it with MF since she is so ridiculous before any real farm. You want to finish the game as quickly as possible with such a setup (and therefore Ashe is a bad choice for this).
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United States47024 Posts
On October 31 2010 00:26 Shizuru~ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 00:09 Senx wrote:
Why does every tryndamare think he's rambo and can 2v5 any team? if shit goes wrong, he can prety much gtfo rather easily and let the opposing team munch of his poor team mate that tryn got him into the mess instead?
Or he gets CC-ed while he's trying to GTFO and then he Undying Rages on his team for not being there. If you point out that walking into a 2v5 was dumb and it was his fault, he'll probably Undying Ragequit.
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On October 31 2010 04:56 Haemonculus wrote:
OMG i have a new runepage! Yay!!
When did you create account?
EDIT: ok got answer at LP, ~year ago. So i guess i won't get mine sooner than tomorrow
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Now I just need to figure out what new rune page I need to fill... hmmmmm
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Wow warmog's sivir is pretty amazing. I haven't lost a game yet on her if I can get mid. She fills up that WM so quickly that when you get atma's you get like +65 damage from it alone. Not to mention you're like unkillable once you get BV if you have good spell shield usage.
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On October 31 2010 05:46 STS17 wrote:
Wow warmog's sivir is pretty amazing. I haven't lost a game yet on her if I can get mid. She fills up that WM so quickly that when you get atma's you get like +65 damage from it alone. Not to mention you're like unkillable once you get BV if you have good spell shield usage.
if you have banshee's up while you spell shield, do they both get used?
or which one has priority of usage?
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On October 31 2010 05:46 STS17 wrote:
Wow warmog's sivir is pretty amazing. I haven't lost a game yet on her if I can get mid. She fills up that WM so quickly that when you get atma's you get like +65 damage from it alone. Not to mention you're like unkillable once you get BV if you have good spell shield usage.
then during mid game it's like hmmmmmm
why don't i do any damage
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On October 31 2010 05:58 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 05:46 STS17 wrote:
Wow warmog's sivir is pretty amazing. I haven't lost a game yet on her if I can get mid. She fills up that WM so quickly that when you get atma's you get like +65 damage from it alone. Not to mention you're like unkillable once you get BV if you have good spell shield usage. if you have banshee's up while you spell shield, do they both get used? or which one has priority of usage?
good question, no idea i just wait to see the BV buff drop before hitting my spell shield. I currently run flash ghost and I think I might change that to flash cleanse to be more immune to CC because I'm tired of getting stunned every time they send that 4th one at me. I want to absorb all five before having to accept being stunned.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 31 2010 05:58 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 05:46 STS17 wrote:
Wow warmog's sivir is pretty amazing. I haven't lost a game yet on her if I can get mid. She fills up that WM so quickly that when you get atma's you get like +65 damage from it alone. Not to mention you're like unkillable once you get BV if you have good spell shield usage. if you have banshee's up while you spell shield, do they both get used? or which one has priority of usage?
IIRC both get used up when you get hit.
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On October 31 2010 05:58 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 05:46 STS17 wrote:
Wow warmog's sivir is pretty amazing. I haven't lost a game yet on her if I can get mid. She fills up that WM so quickly that when you get atma's you get like +65 damage from it alone. Not to mention you're like unkillable once you get BV if you have good spell shield usage. if you have banshee's up while you spell shield, do they both get used? or which one has priority of usage?
Afaik know both shields pop. Haven't tried it, but it says so on this page:
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sivir_The_Battle_Mistress
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On October 31 2010 06:08 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 05:46 STS17 wrote:
Wow warmog's sivir is pretty amazing. I haven't lost a game yet on her if I can get mid. She fills up that WM so quickly that when you get atma's you get like +65 damage from it alone. Not to mention you're like unkillable once you get BV if you have good spell shield usage. then during mid game it's like hmmmmmm why don't i do any damage
the point of the build isn't to be doing super redic damage, your job is to absorb CC and deal constant damage via ricochet and BB while the rest of your team is putting the hurt on them. Moreover, WM + Atmas (need to earn roughly 6k gold if you include +1 boots and a D-Blade + hp pot opening) puts you at roughly 230 damage which is fairly respectable for the mid game.
Plus with your ult you are throwing 2 blades a second so that's still 400+ dps being thrown at the team before factoring in bounces.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
the difference between the build working and not working really depends on how well you use your boomerang mid game, if you cant land it consistently your deadweight, trolled a couple more normals today with it adding to the matchups
twitch: LOL EZ STOMP. he had a rammus coming out of the jungle every 5 secs with flash helping him and I still knocked down his tower by level 9. Lol'd
Vlad: Difficult to block his insta cast Q, luckily you both are weak early game so he is a good match for you. by the time he gets strong you can just throw about 2-3 richochets and boomerang and clear the wave keeping him from ganking. wont get his tower though unless hes bad.
Annie: Easy enough, didnt get her tower but no threat at all and since she cant gank early becomes deadweight.
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She should probably just back door lanes like Yi or TF. She can push a lane up easily and then run away before they can respond.
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On October 31 2010 06:22 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
She should probably just back door lanes like Yi or TF. She can push a lane up easily and then run away before they can respond.
YI/TF/Nida/Sivir/anything (Pantheon?) BD dreamteam?
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On October 31 2010 06:22 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
She should probably just back door lanes like Yi or TF. She can push a lane up easily and then run away before they can respond.
With Warmogs/Atmas she should be tanky enough to participate in teamfights, where her ricochet should do decent damage over time.
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On October 31 2010 06:21 Brees wrote:
the difference between the build working and not working really depends on how well you use your boomerang mid game, if you cant land it consistently your deadweight, trolled a couple more normals today with it adding to the matchups
twitch: LOL EZ STOMP. he had a rammus coming out of the jungle every 5 secs with flash helping him and I still knocked down his tower by level 9. Lol'd
Vlad: Difficult to block his insta cast Q, luckily you both are weak early game so he is a good match for you. by the time he gets strong you can just throw about 2-3 richochets and boomerang and clear the wave keeping him from ganking. wont get his tower though unless hes bad.
Annie: Easy enough, didnt get her tower but no threat at all and since she cant gank early becomes deadweight.
do you have a stream brees? i just don't know what i'm doing wrong with sivir, i want to see how you play 1v1 with her. like what you level in what order and when you boomerang and ricochet
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If you have Spell Shield and Veil up, Veil gets used first. BT > Atma's. LW is necessary to do any damage in team-fights. I also level Q last, I don't see how it's worth it before level 4 at all and I've only wished I had a rank in Q at around clvl 6 like 5% of the time.
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On October 31 2010 07:19 Jazriel wrote:
If you have Spell Shield and Veil up, Veil gets used first. BT > Atma's. LW is necessary to do any damage in team-fights. I also level Q last, I don't see how it's worth it before level 4 at all and I've only wished I had a rank in Q at around clvl 6 like 5% of the time.
Atmas > BT when it gives you armor to boost your ehp and lifesteal only works on the initial hit from ricochet and not each of the bounces, meaning you get a better boost to survivability from atmas (ignoring the overall increased damage output from the crit which BT does not offer because that is being changed eventually)
But Atmas will give you 80 damage at 4k health which is easy to reach with this build and it is cheaper then the BT by a fairly significant margin.
Overall I consider it a good way to build her as long as you can farm reasonably well, and warmogs should fill itself really quickly once teamfights start from accidental kills or just picking up minions.
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On October 31 2010 07:19 Jazriel wrote:
If you have Spell Shield and Veil up, Veil gets used first. BT > Atma's. LW is necessary to do any damage in team-fights. I also level Q last, I don't see how it's worth it before level 4 at all and I've only wished I had a rank in Q at around clvl 6 like 5% of the time.
according to the wiki, they both get used up at the same time... which i think have seen happen before 
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Ezreal
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Miss Fortune
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o Spell
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Twitch
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Udyr
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o Cost: Unchanged
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o +12% Movement Speed
o +250 Mana (down from 300)
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