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On October 26 2010 13:40 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 12:53 gtrsrs wrote:
on any carry, i suggest doing the HP component of any defensive item first imo. I can see the logic behind that, but of those 4 listed, only Veil has an HP component >.>
Dont forget atmas / abyssal if youre ap or physical
Idk, I once yelled at a panth for going zerker boots, youmuu, BT x2, IE, LW and then some other item which I cant remember
I yelled at him for not getting any survive at all he smashed like hell but he when he did get focused and cc'ed he died.
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Just played the weirdest game.
Me and my best bud and a dude off our friend list had just stomped 3 games unranked. Friend list player gets a fourth person and we head into another game.
Team is janna, galio, anivia and me, jungle ad sion for lolz. Only me and my friend are in voice chat.
this is why I hate four-mans: the one random player is a huge gamble. imo duo and 5s are the only really good formats. I'm locked in and the random player goes... jungle yi, lock in. We're like what! But there's no way I'm switching off.
Immediately we reach two conclusions:
1) This is a joke game (not too big a change, earlier we played a game where my goal was to win with garen never going back to town except once to buy merc treads. Successful, over 6k banked)
2) We're on the double jungler plan
Load screen reveals they have a jungle nunu, which means we MUST kill him at one... our team heads out to gank at blue, but he's starting at golems or something. We take it and then my friend, yi and I run through their towers to gank at red. We end up trading 2-2 and huge lols were heard over skype. Our yi turns out to be stunningly bad. We're sort of half competing for creeps. I say half because he has no idea what to do... it takes him multiple attempts to get golem and he runs into mid and randomly tries to solo level 8 miss fortune at level 3. I'll spare you a lot of description, but the gist is that at 25 minutes I finally finish ghostblade, which sits alongside my merc treads and no other items (we didn't buy wards because they would have just attracted yi to heros he couldn't solo.)
We keep trying to surrender but I think janna (0-8) and yi (2-11) are voting no. We are mocking them in chat for this but they have faith.
At about 40 minutes, we realize we can win. Yi has finally hit critical mass despite dying every few minutes. I still have only treads and ghostblade so I figure this build is a complete loss and that the only thing I can contribute is stunbotting, so I sell blade and buy glacial shroud. Next item will be shur's reverie. We sneak baron and ride it for like several towers, which makes us only slightly behind on structures.
Then, despair! We are aced. Somehow we defend at our nexus. I finish reverie and my stuns go through the roof. We bum rush them with and somehow ace them. Yi wants to wander off and defend our nexus from the super creeps nearly on top of it but we convince him we need his tower killing power. We race down top lane clearing all three towers from it and barely win the ultimate joke game.
Afterwards, we found out our friend's list player had been taking it seriously.
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I actually love those games where at one point it all seems lost and we decided to continue just for the lolz. And we end up winning by aceing them at our towers. (specially love the times when we yell for our ranged carry to ace them under our Nexus towers and he does, best games ever: Spine your awesome)
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so guys, does anyone know which heroes are going to be free tomorrow pls? :O
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Been rolling around with a group of 5 as PIRATES AND NINJAS. Most Troll team ever. We're 2-0 right now. =p
For those that don't know, MF, GP, Akali, Shen, Kennen. Soooo good.
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why would stoic ninjas team up with dirty pirates?
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because we all know the mightiest alliance is the pirate ninja alliance (yeah when that happens we are all doomed)
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On October 26 2010 15:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Been rolling around with a group of 5 as PIRATES AND NINJAS. Most Troll team ever. We're 2-0 right now. =p
For those that don't know, MF, GP, Akali, Shen, Kennen. Soooo good.
Riot needs to add a 3rd Pirate, so there can be Pirates VS Ninjas on Twisted Treeline.
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On October 26 2010 16:53 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 15:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Been rolling around with a group of 5 as PIRATES AND NINJAS. Most Troll team ever. We're 2-0 right now. =p
For those that don't know, MF, GP, Akali, Shen, Kennen. Soooo good. Riot needs to add a 3rd Pirate, so there can be Pirates VS Ninjas on Twisted Treeline.
That's Kat yo. You tierlisters didn't take Kat into your game.
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On October 26 2010 15:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Been rolling around with a group of 5 as PIRATES AND NINJAS. Most Troll team ever. We're 2-0 right now. =p
For those that don't know, MF, GP, Akali, Shen, Kennen. Soooo good.
MF is pirate hunter actually 
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New warmogs on Vlademir? yay or nay? Also does Zhoneya's passive affect Vlads passive?
I have been thinking on getting it on him because it offers some survivability and I get some additional AP from it.
From HP on Warmogs you will get: 36ap
If you charge up the passive: 18ap
So there you have 54ap and 1,370hp.
Now a couple of questions arise: does warmogs passive stack? can you charge up more than one? (like RoA's) or does it simply charge up one time and when it reaches max it won't matter if you have more it (like soulstealer, or leviathan etc.)? Because if it can be charged up multiple times I have an awesome feeling that you could make vlademir so tanky while still taking cool amounts of damage I would be close to saying it would be OP. say a build of boots, zhoneya's, 1-3 warmogs, and then add a void staff or rylai's or something.
I tried to do some theory crafting to get some numbers on this (but leaguecraft does not take into consideration Vlad's passive ).Build is: 3 warmogs, mercs, Rylai's and Zhoneya's
So without any masteries, runes and not calculating in Vlads passive you get:
HP: 6540
EHP: 10791
AP: 250 = ((80+120)*1,25)
So take vlads passive into the picture
HP->AP=184,4AP
AP->HP=500HP
Total HP = 7040
Total AP = (250+184,4)*1,25(?)
EHP = ((HP*1, (i75 armor))+(HP*1,(55 Mres)))/2
(am I doing the calculations right?)
Problem here is I have no clue how much 75 arm and 55 Mres gives in Dmg redction so if someone would be so nice to give me the numbers on that for the EHP?
According to league craft Warmogs passive stacks, but I would like to have a second opinion on this and I thought TL would be the please to ask.
Anyways, it would seem that this could prove to be quite a tanky build with an above average dmg output. And a super heal from Sanguine Pool.
Opinions?
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On October 26 2010 17:36 Vlanitak wrote:
New warmogs on Vlademir? yay or nay? Also does Zhoneya's passive affect Vlads passive?
I have been thinking on getting it on him because it offers some survivability and I get some additional AP from it.
From HP on Warmogs you will get: 36ap
If you charge up the passive: 18ap
So there you have 54ap and 1,370hp.
Now a couple of questions arise: does warmogs passive stack? can you charge up more than one? (like RoA's) or does it simply charge up one time and when it reaches max it won't matter if you have more it (like soulstealer, or leviathan etc.)? Because if it can be charged up multiple times I have an awesome feeling that you could make vlademir so tanky while still taking cool amounts of damage I would be close to saying it would be OP. say a build of boots, zhoneya's, 1-3 warmogs, and then add a void staff or rylai's or something.
I tried to do some theory crafting to get some numbers on this (but leaguecraft does not take into consideration Vlad's passive ).Build is: 3 warmogs, mercs, Rylai's and Zhoneya's
So without any masteries, runes and not calculating in Vlads passive you get:
HP: 6540
EHP: 10791
AP: 250 = ((80+120)*1,25)
So take vlads passive into the picture
HP->AP=184,4AP
AP->HP=500HP
Total HP = 7040
Total AP = (250+184,4)*1,25(?)
EHP = ((HP*1, (i75 armor))+(HP*1,(55 Mres)))/2
(am I doing the calculations right?)
Problem here is I have no clue how much 75 arm and 55 Mres gives in Dmg redction so if someone would be so nice to give me the numbers on that for the EHP?
According to league craft Warmogs passive stacks, but I would like to have a second opinion on this and I thought TL would be the please to ask.
Anyways, it would seem that this could prove to be quite a tanky build with an above average dmg output. And a super heal from Sanguine Pool.
Opinions?
warmogs passive does stack
zhonya's passive grants additional AP, which will give vlad additional HP
damage reduction is calculated as (100/(100+armor or mres)) = percent damage mitigated
iirc, spudboy got 3 warmogs in a game i played with him and had close to 8k health. his sanguine pool did something like 1100 damage over 2 seconds.
the only problem with having 8k health and 55 magic resist is that a madreds bloodrazor is going to kill you in like 3 seconds flat. much much better idea to get 1 warmogs at most then focus on other defensive items (FoN, sunfire, randuins) or just skip the warmogs cause i still wouldn't say it's a GOOD item
also it's fine and dandy to theorycraft about 3 warmogs but in a real game against players of equal skill level, you will never get that much farm. spudboy can do it because he's numba wan troll vlad 1900 elo ezpk but don't expect to honestly get 3 warmogs in a single game.
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On October 26 2010 17:36 Vlanitak wrote:
New warmogs on Vlademir? yay or nay? Also does Zhoneya's passive affect Vlads passive?
I have been thinking on getting it on him because it offers some survivability and I get some additional AP from it.
From HP on Warmogs you will get: 36ap
If you charge up the passive: 18ap
So there you have 54ap and 1,370hp.
Now a couple of questions arise: does warmogs passive stack? can you charge up more than one? (like RoA's) or does it simply charge up one time and when it reaches max it won't matter if you have more it (like soulstealer, or leviathan etc.)? Because if it can be charged up multiple times I have an awesome feeling that you could make vlademir so tanky while still taking cool amounts of damage I would be close to saying it would be OP. say a build of boots, zhoneya's, 1-3 warmogs, and then add a void staff or rylai's or something.
I tried to do some theory crafting to get some numbers on this (but leaguecraft does not take into consideration Vlad's passive ).Build is: 3 warmogs, mercs, Rylai's and Zhoneya's
So without any masteries, runes and not calculating in Vlads passive you get:
HP: 6540
EHP: 10791
AP: 250 = ((80+120)*1,25)
So take vlads passive into the picture
HP->AP=184,4AP
AP->HP=500HP
Total HP = 7040
Total AP = (250+184,4)*1,25(?)
EHP = ((HP*1, (i75 armor))+(HP*1,(55 Mres)))/2
(am I doing the calculations right?)
Problem here is I have no clue how much 75 arm and 55 Mres gives in Dmg redction so if someone would be so nice to give me the numbers on that for the EHP?
According to league craft Warmogs passive stacks, but I would like to have a second opinion on this and I thought TL would be the please to ask.
Anyways, it would seem that this could prove to be quite a tanky build with an above average dmg output. And a super heal from Sanguine Pool.
Opinions?
I'm pretty sure that Warmog's do stack.
Zhonya's is a must have imo, at least as soon as you get like 100 AP from somewhere else, which Vlad shouldn't have a lot of trouble with.
I don't see why you would want 3 Warmog's though. Vlad is usually a bad target to focus because of his pool and especially if he has Zhonya's. Once his ult is cast, he should be even lower in priority. And lower again if you stack Warmog's instead of AP.
I also would never plan my build with items worth 12k gold. It's good to have a rough plan on what to get after your core items, but as Vlad your core build should probably be in the 5-6k gold range. After that you probably want Red + Blue Elix before working on other items.
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I was under the impression that Zhonya's would apply before Vlad's passive, otherwise you could get ap from your passive which would be added to hp?
Basically I don't think Zhonya's would give AP from Warmog's
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You don't get infinite AP/HP even if they do boost each other. The returns eventually become so small that they become essentially 0 and yes, they do stack.
Also I think people overestimate the amount of damage that a madred's bloodrazor does to someone with high amounts of HP. Even without calculating base MR a madred's would still take 25 hits minus the base attack damage of the carry to kill someone with just HP. Clearly he's going to be doing more damage but the high HP and high hp5/lv will definitely mitigate a ton of that damage.
Of course 3 warmog's isn't optimal but stacking HP isn't as bad as people think it is.
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you still have to charge each warmogs, right? 100 minion kills and thats after you collect and spend 3k gold
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Warmoggs is a good item for HP however stacking HP isn´t a good idea even for Vlad, mainly because HP is overpriced compared to the survivability Armor and MR give you and how good & popular Mandreds Bloodrazor is.
If vlad wants AP he buys AP, if he wants survivability he shouldn´t overvalue HP.
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hm, how about:
Warmogs
shoes
Zhoneya's
Rylai's
Void staff
and um...
this is where I kinda get stuck because I often reach a point in a game where the "core" build is done and I have no clue what the hell to buy next
another Rylai's? (since it procs both you ap and hp passive)
Abyssl scepter?
um... a mana item?
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On October 26 2010 20:06 Vlanitak wrote:
hm, how about:
Warmogs
shoes
Zhoneya's
Rylai's
Void staff
and um...
this is where I kinda get stuck because I often reach a point in a game where the "core" build is done and I have no clue what the hell to buy next
another Rylai's? (since it procs both you ap and hp passive)
Abyssl scepter?
um... a mana item?
haunting guise / spirit visage..?
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I thought vlad strength was that he could rush ap items and still be tanky
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